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World Cup Night - Meydan

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    #32
    TheMilkyPirate
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    On so you think at 6/4


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    #33
    hucklebuck
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    Double bollox to that.

    Most overrated pile of ****e going.

    Knew I should have just layed O Briens horses.:mad:


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    #34
    JONJO THE MISER
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    20/1 Winner.


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    #35
    Hulk Hands
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    hucklebuck wrote: »
    Double bollox to that.

    Most overrated pile of ****e going.

    Knew I should have just layed O Briens horses.:mad:

    Than you would have had to pay out 9/1 or so on Daddy long legs :pac:

    I agree about So You Think, the bubble burst a long time ago. I seen 11/4 earlier on and thought that was a tad short, couldn't believe when I seen the 11/8 show price. The layers at Betfair had him covered, stayed fairly steady at 7/4 on there. I was happy enough to lay at 2.7 still though


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    #36
    stdidit
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    Thanks Nulty, had a very close look at Montorosso after your OP and went e/w on him. Delighted!


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    #37
    RichieLawlor
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    Joesph O Brien is shocking (in general, i dont think anyone would have won on SYT)


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    #38
    sting60
    Registered Users Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭sting60


    Daddy Long Legs brilliant. Cannot work out the ride St Nicholas Abbey got,Didnt take long for the excuses for So You Think[didnt act on the surface].11/8 my god there are some very stupid people out there.


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    #39
    Huntley
    Registered Users Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Huntley


    sting60 wrote: »
    Cannot work out the ride St Nicholas Abbey got

    I watched this race and there was nothing wrong with it. His draw meant he had to wait it out until the gap appeared, and when it did he went for it not giving up lengths by going around the outside.

    What do you think the jockey should have done differently?


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    #40
    WHIP IT!
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    Huntley wrote: »
    I watched this race and there was nothing wrong with it. His draw meant he had to wait it out until the gap appeared, and when it did he went for it not giving up lengths by going around the outside.

    What do you think the jockey should have done differently?

    Nothing the jockey could do. Rode his horse perfectly and gave him every chance. Just found one better today.


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    #41
    RichieLawlor
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    Huntley wrote: »
    I watched this race and there was nothing wrong with it. His draw meant he had to wait it out until the gap appeared, and when it did he went for it not giving up lengths by going around the outside.

    What do you think the jockey should have done differently?

    When the race was so obviosly turning into a sprint from a mile out he let a confirmed speed horse and suspect stayer get 1st run on him. A more experienced jock would have gone for home and probably nicked it


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    #42
    WHIP IT!
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    When the race was so obviosly turning into a sprint from a mile out he let a confirmed speed horse and suspect stayer get 1st run on him. A more experienced jock would have gone for home and probably nicked it finished fourth

    FYP


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    RichieLawlor
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    WHIP IT! wrote: »
    Nothing the jockey could do. Rode his horse perfectly and gave him every chance. Just found one better today.

    Wrong. SNA stays really well, he was never going to outsprint the Champion Stakes winner off a stupid pace


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    #44
    RichieLawlor
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    WHIP IT! wrote: »
    FYP

    See my next post, your wrong, you need to read races better


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    #45
    WHIP IT!
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    See my next post, your wrong, you need to read races better

    I don't "need" to do anything. You need to stop talking through your pocket. Horse raced great - winner raced better. That's racing. If it was as easy as picking a favourite and declaring him the winner then they wouldn't even run the races - they'd just send the relevant connections a cheque.


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    #46
    RichieLawlor
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    WHIP IT! wrote: »
    I don't "need" to do anything. You need to stop talking through your pocket. Horse raced great - winner raced better. That's racing. If it was as easy as picking a favourite and declaring him the winner then they wouldn't even run the races - they'd just send the relevant connections a cheque.

    I didnt back SNA, but your clueless, he was closing all the way to the line. He got a terrible ride. Thats my point.


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    #47
    Huntley
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    When the race was so obviosly turning into a sprint from a mile out he let a confirmed speed horse and suspect stayer get 1st run on him. A more experienced jock would have gone for home and probably nicked it

    He didn't have much option but to let the winner get first run, unless you think giving lengths up in the process going around the field would have been a better option?


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    #48
    WHIP IT!
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    I didnt back SNA, but your clueless, he was closing all the way to the line. He got a terrible ride. Thats my point.

    Yes, I don't agree with you, therefore I'm clueless. Lucky for you you didn't back him, you have enough trouble figuring out what's going on after a race, nevermind beforehand.

    Great racing today from Meydan, very enjoyable. Agreed about So You Think, where did 11/8 come from?? :eek:


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    RichieLawlor
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    Huntley wrote: »
    He didn't have much option but to let the winner get first run, unless you think giving lengths up in the process going around the field would have been a better option?

    It would have defo been a better option, but it was a slow pace from early so he had plenty of time but he let the race unfold against him. A more experianced jock wouldnt have. SNA has won over further and he got outsprinted. Thats jockey error


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    #50
    WHIP IT!
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    It would have defo been a better option, but it was a slow pace from early so he had plenty of time but he let the race unfold against him. A more experianced jock wouldnt have. SNA has won over further and he got outsprinted. Thats jockey error

    No, that's racing. Do you think horses have Stop and Go buttons? A gearbox? Classic punter mistake: "he did it before so why not again??"

    The jockey rode his horse perfectly and got beat by a horse who raced better than him on the day - by a head. End of story. Not every beaten favourite needs a 'bad ride' story... and this is one of them.


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    #51
    RichieLawlor
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    WHIP IT! wrote: »
    No, that's racing. Do you think horses have Stop and Go buttons? A gearbox? Classic punter mistake: "he did it before so why not again??"

    The jockey rode his horse perfectly and got beat by a horse who raced better than him on the day - by a head. End of story. Not every beaten favourite needs a 'bad ride' story... and this is one of them.

    SNA was closing at the finish, in a race that was in no way run to suit.

    Your wrong.

    And on ignore you go because my kid has more sense than you


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    Huntley
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    It would have defo been a better option,

    It is impossible to tell whether that would definitely have been the better option.
    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    but it was a slow pace from early so he had plenty of time but he let the race unfold against him.

    I wouldn't say he let the race unfold against him, rather that he decided to wait it out considering he was never going to be in a favourable position.
    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    A more experianced jock wouldnt have. SNA has won over further and he got outsprinted. Thats jockey error

    Not necessarily, he had a poor draw and there was little pace. There is plenty of luck involved in winning races, and I think the horse just didn't get the run of the race today.

    I have little interest in the flat but I would be extremely hesitant in referring to that as a "terrible ride". Different tactics could have yielded a different result but it is impossible to tell.


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    #53
    WHIP IT!
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    SNA was closing at the finish, in a race that was in no way run to suit.

    Your wrong.

    And on ignore you go because my kid has more sense than you

    :D:D:D

    As the young ones who hang round the street near my job would say: "Scarleh for ya!"


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    #54
    Hulk Hands
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    I do think the jockeys were the difference in that race, but it was OP's brilliance, rather than JOB's ineptness that was the difference. The slow pace didn't suit either horse. One jockey was perfectly ok in the saddle, while the other was superb


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    UrbanSea
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    Richie I have to disagree with you to the extreme in claiming JOB is shocking. He is a very good rider.


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    #56
    Nulty
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    Huntley wrote: »
    I watched this race and there was nothing wrong with it. His draw meant he had to wait it out until the gap appeared, and when it did he went for it not giving up lengths by going around the outside.

    What do you think the jockey should have done differently?

    Bang on Huntley - Nothing wrong with the ride. Perfectly executed, just found one too good under the circumstances


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    #57
    Nulty
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    When the race was so obviosly turning into a sprint from a mile out he let a confirmed speed horse and suspect stayer get 1st run on him. A more experienced jock would have gone for home and probably nicked it

    That's bull****. Did you see last years race? How many top class experienced jockeys were in that race? Joseph knew what he had under him and executed the ride perfectly well, he was beaten by a better horse on the day. St Nick is ALWAYS ridden that way. Using that race to beat Josephs talents as a jockey screams of desperation.


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    Nulty
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    Huntley wrote: »
    It is impossible to tell whether that would definitely have been the better option.



    I wouldn't say he let the race unfold against him, rather that he decided to wait it out considering he was never going to be in a favourable position.



    Not necessarily, he had a poor draw and there was little pace. There is plenty of luck involved in winning races, and I think the horse just didn't get the run of the race today.

    I have little interest in the flat but I would be extremely hesitant in referring to that as a "terrible ride". Different tactics could have yielded a different result but it is impossible to tell.

    I don't want to put words in your mouth but would "reluctant" be a better description of your thoughts? Its just hesitant suggests to me that you feel that way but don't want to say it. I'm complicating things as usual.


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    RichieLawlor
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    Nulty wrote: »
    That's bull****. Did you see last years race? How many top class experienced jockeys were in that race? Joseph knew what he had under him and executed the ride perfectly well, he was beaten by a better horse on the day. St Nick is ALWAYS ridden that way. Using that race to beat Josephs talents as a jockey screams of desperation.

    Going down by a diminishing nose in a falsely run race is not 'executing the ride perfectly'.

    The best horse in the race finished 2nd.


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    #60
    longshotvalue
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    There is a fine line, but i think it was a very good ride, and the horse in front just stayed better than expected, St Nick will probably improve for the run and will win a few G1s this year. The sight of him powering down the straight was something else despite the fact that he just failed to get there


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    gcy1980
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    The simple question to ask is "Would Ryan Moore have won on St Nicholas Abbey?" And the simple answer is "More than likely"! The best jockeys in the world can get the second or third best horses in a race to win from time to time but they, 99.99% of the time, win on the best horse in the race. For me Joseph O Brien is not in this category!! And for the biggest breeding operation and stable in the world, that is not good enough. I didn't back him either. I have an aversion to backing horses when I'm worried about a jockey!


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