Torrent users beware

Yeah, thought i was in serious trouble there but i dont download music anyway, especially irish music.

from a moral standpoint I see nothing wrong with downloading music.

people often compare it with stealing a cd out of a shop, but it isn't the same thing at all. downloading is not stealing because stealing requires that something be taken away from the party stolen from (the RIAA often say that sales are down since p2p arrived on the scene, but there is not a shred of independant evidence to support this), making a digital copy of something does not take anything away from anybody.

now, if someone were to soley take art for free and not support the artists they like (by buying the occasional CD, attending gigs, sending them a cheque in the mail) then there is an obvious moral problem with this, but I don't see any evidence that this is how most downloaders act. the people with prodigious collections requiring terrabytes of storage would hardly have bought the same collection if it weren't available for free.

There's also an obvious problem with people making a profit from other peoples efforts, whether it's asian/russian DVD/CD pirates, allofmp3, or even KazzAA and the likes who no doubt make a tidy profit in advertising.

Music Industry types constantly try and confuse the three issues, and they seem to get away with it too. The majority of news coverage seems to take a very uncritical view of their position. Even Jim Caroll of the Irish Times was on Morning Ireland this morning saying the coming lawsuits were a good idea and they had every right (not in the legal sense) to do so.

I really don't know why they are bothering though, the lawsuits have had no impact in the states.

The majors need to realise they're never going to make money with cumbersome DRM technology, they need to implement something simple like bleep or maybe some mix of regular p2p program with audio fingerprinting (though there isn't the technology available to make that a viable option at the moment).

So does IRMA only represent Irish music?

the_syco wrote:

Its not so much as blocking suspect addresses, its more for hiding your own IP.

Well, you can't hide your own IP with p2p programs (aside from freenet and the like, which require too much bandwidth to be of much use at the moment) and proxies are either too slow or expensive, the only solution is to block incoming IP connections from known baddies, though even this isn't much use as they could just keep change their IP ranges (though at least this would cost them, hastening their downfall :cool:).

Neither gets on well with the Eircom routers... so I've been told

I don't see how their routers could know what firewall software you have installed on your PC. One problem I have noticed is that their blocklists contain loads of perfectly valid ranges, my email stopped working after I installed PeerGuardian for example.

Each of thos 20 could be seeding an album to 500 n00bs. Each of those 500 n00bs woulnd't know how to set up a seed, so if you gut off the head (jail the main seeder), the body will die (the n00bs will go back to buying the music).

Well, when most people in ireland are downloading from ppl in the US or UK then suing irish sharers isn't going to accomplish much, and as the numbers in the US and UK are so large, legal action is never going to be effective.

was just listening on the news there. there going after 17 seeders who where seeding something like 3000 songs maybe, cant really remember, but there only going after the uploaders, for now anyway.

ha!! good luck to them getting anywhere trying to sue eircom!! not even in america would that work!

music???? what the hell is that??

oh wait, hang on, i have a vague memory of this thing you speak of.

I shall consult my local library for more information.

So really now they've just given "the 17" plenty of time to, if they want, burn all their songs to cd's and hide them, wipe their hard drives, and pretend as if nothing happend.

Would they get anywhere with that?

cazeone wrote:

I don't see how their routers could know what firewall software you have installed on your PC. One problem I have noticed is that their blocklists contain loads of perfectly valid ranges, my email stopped working after I installed PeerGuardian for example.

I think its something to do with the type of router. Not sure; its been a while.

Gryzor wrote:

IRMA said the Irish music industry was losing €3.8m annually because of illegal downloading and had seen its revenue fall from €146m annually to €118m over the past three years.

Please, they just exagerrate the figures and blame p2p for all their problems. The RIAA in the states did the same but an independent study caught them out for not including the post 2000 economic trends, the post 9/11 and dotcom crash effects. They even forgot to compensate for the physical bootlegging of music as well.

from link above ....

According to several IFPI's local operations, including Finnish ÄKT, the lawsuits were targeted to P2P users who were considered as "heavy file uploaders", people who share thousands, maybe tens of thousands of files via P2P networks. It should be remembered that downloading from P2P networks is perfectly legal in most of the European countries.

this can't include copywrited material Is it legal in our fair land??