Beat this: Dublin Bus stop game

Dravokivich · 19-02-2015 9:27am

lxflyer wrote: »

The distance between those two stops on Upper Rathmines Road is 70m btw - unbeatable I would suggest.

Woodford Hill for the 13 going down it? Also thought they were fairly close.

There was also another pair of stops fairly close to each other in Clondalkin Village as well. But probably not as close as that. Although it is a bit mad when you can see one bus stop, from another.

Greenmachine · 19-02-2015 10:49am

dfx- wrote: »

First two stops on the 123 including the terminus northbound is 49m on Google Maps (Stops 6057 and 2183)

How are you measuring the distance between bus stop using google maps. Is each stop a recorded location on the maps.

LeinsterDub · 19-02-2015 3:26pm

Greenmachine wrote: »

How are you measuring the distance between bus stop using google maps. Is each stop a recorded location on the maps.

They are

cdebru · 19-02-2015 3:27pm

Greenmachine wrote: »

How are you measuring the distance between bus stop using google maps. Is each stop a recorded location on the maps.

No we all chipped in and bought a long measuring tape ;-)

seamus · 19-02-2015 3:35pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Fine so paint half the stops red and call them off peak stops. Between 7 and 10 and 4 and 7 these stops won't be serviced let those of those who have work to get to do so in a timely fashion. The auld dears who fancy popping into town for a look around can wait till 10

Actually I'd suggest exactly the opposite strategy and have more stops during peak times.

This would ensure that the bus is emptied at more regular intervals and reduces the number of long queues at bus stops. I would hazard a guess that the time to empty 5 people from the bus at 3 different stop is less than the time to empty the bus of 15 people at one stop. Especially at peak times where you have to try and squeeze past and make room and so forth.

If you make getting the bus in the morning more difficult for people, they won't do it. The difference between someone choosing to use a bus and choosing to drive could be whether or not the walk to the bus stop is five minutes or ten minutes. Eliminate some stops at peak times, people's walk increases and they will choose the car over the bus.

frankoreagan · 19-02-2015 3:43pm

208 meters between stops 2116 and 2117 on the Ninth Lock Road in Clondalkin on the 76. I curse people getting on at the latter stop in the morning, because it inevitably means being held up at the lights for another sequence, and takes ages for someone to let the bus back out into traffic too.

MrMorooka · 19-02-2015 3:53pm

seamus wrote: »

This would ensure that the bus is emptied at more regular intervals

But that's not really what happens- most routes are essentially just constantly picking up from the suburbs until 75% through the route, when they start discharging people across the city centre. In that case, reducing stops is exactly what is needed, concentrate the pickups into less stops(and improve dwell times through better ticketing) so the bus can get a longer run without having to slow down and stop.

Spanish Eyes · 19-02-2015 4:13pm

3 stops on Conyngham Road. Middle one totally unnecessary IMV.

1st to middle 300m not too bad. Middle to last 170m.

LeinsterDub · 19-02-2015 4:40pm

seamus wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that the time to empty 5 people from the bus at 3 different stop is less than the time to empty the bus of 15 people at one stop.

Whisper it quietly middle doors

LeinsterDub · 19-02-2015 4:47pm

seamus wrote: »

Eliminate some stops at peak times, people's walk increases and they will choose the car over the bus.

We are talking about eliminating the stops on top of each other adding maybe 1 or 2 minutes added to their walk which could save 15 minutes on the bus journey time

Spanish Eyes · 19-02-2015 5:24pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

We are talking about eliminating the stops on top of each other adding maybe 1 or 2 minutes added to their walk which could save 15 minutes on the bus journey time

That would be too sensible! It would help everyone, the driver, the passengers and so on.

Scratches head, yeah, far too sensible indeed.

the_barfly1 · 19-02-2015 6:14pm

Whitworth Road. According to google its 880m long.
There are FOUR bus stops on that stretch, with just 700m between the first and fourth.

Its the little things that piss me off on my way to work.

Polar101 · 19-02-2015 6:46pm

Clonsilla village, on the 39 route - stops 1897 and 6088 are 83 metres apart. Also on the outbound direction, 1887 and 1888 are 120 metres apart.

But if they don't have to be consecutive stops, then stops 4324 and 4768 in Littlepace are only 23 metres apart (routes 270 and 70, bus comes back along the same road).

etchyed · 19-02-2015 10:32pm

cdebru wrote: »

Indeed you must have missed it, both spellings are used in Ireland interchangeably, including in legislation and statutory instruments, so you can use either in this country, but well done on your contribution.

I'd love to see an example. Less of the sarcasm please.

cdebru · 19-02-2015 11:37pm

etchyed wrote: »

I'd love to see an example. Less of the sarcasm please.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1992/en/si/0018.html
B. Measures
(1) Linear Measures

10 meter and over

10.00
1 meter to under 10 meters

4.00
Under 1 meter

2.00

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/si/0370.html

1. A main service building containing 3 internal tracks, enclosing an area 23 meters wide by 198 meters long and accommodating heavy maintenance (1 track) with train lifting and crane facilities and light maintenance (2 tracks on pedestals in servicing pit) facilitating inspection and servicing functions.

2. A workshop and support area of 54 metres by 6 metres housing delivery area, stores, specialist work and test areas, attached as a single storey block to the north of the main service building.

Here is an example where both spellings are used in the same instrument.

And a little precious to complain about sarcasm when you posted did I not get the memo, dont you think ???

PS I also use the metre spelling but the phone auto corrects it to meter, I left it that way because I didn't think anyone would be pedantic enough to care, I was wrong.

etchyed · 19-02-2015 11:59pm

cdebru wrote: »

And a little precious to complain about sarcasm when you posted did I not get the memo, dont you think ???

PS I also use the metre spelling but the phone auto corrects it to meter, I left it that way because I didn't think anyone would be pedantic enough to care, I was wrong.

Thanks for the examples. A bit hypocritical of me, yes. I hate American spellings. I don't lose sleep over it, but it's caused me to be a dick on an internet forum. Someone will always be pedantic enough to care.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 20-02-2015 1:27am

Kylemore road , Ballyfermot, Dublin

3 bus stops,

between first two is 160M .

between the last two is 120M.

served by the 79/A and 18. Not needed.

Aard · 20-02-2015 4:02am

Not that anybody has the time or inclination, but it would be interesting to see what the average stop distance is by DB route. And then compare it to pax per route to see who's wasting most time start-stopping.

cdebru · 20-02-2015 7:52am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Whisper it quietly middle doors

Maybe less stops, but properly designed ones, that give enough space to get in, get straight, and get out, and then maybe stop people parking in them, crazy radical stuff I know..

V_Moth · 20-02-2015 12:33pm

Two more short stops:

-Kilcoole Sea Road (84/84X): 88m - https://goo.gl/maps/lhlbY

-Shanganagh Bridge (45A): 170m - https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Ballybrack,+Co.+Dublin/@53.2430369,-6.1211371,225m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x486707ef432a0841:0x744d3d38ac1e55ec

The Shanganagh Bridge stop is not suitable at all for a bus stop really, being on a narrow road with a bad camber, as well as a very narrow footpath.

Tarabuses · 20-02-2015 3:15pm

Route 11 Eden Park Drive stop to Drummartin Terrace stop 160m. Google says it takes 2 minutes to walk. Mustn't be too fit!

Muahahaha · 20-02-2015 3:59pm

Great OP, a real eye opener.

Given walking pace is about 6kmph then a walker of normal fitness can cover 100 metres in 60 seconds.

AFAIK when Dublin Bikes set up they allowed for never having more than 400 metres between bike stations. They must have done a calculation where they estimated the amount of time by which people wouldn't feel too incovenienced if the bike station they arrived at had no bikes on it to collect. That calculation was 400m which I guess is about four minutes walking time. I've had a handful of occasions where there was no bike at a station but as I know another bike is likely only a four minute walk away then using Dublin Bikes still seems like the best option. If it was six or seven minutes walk away well then you might decide just to get the bus instead.

So if Dublin Bikes works on a system where their stations are 400m apart and its proven to work quite well there's no reason why placing bus stops at least 800m apart wouldn't work equally as well. That way the longest anyone will have to walk is 4 minutes which really isn't a big ask in fairness. It would improve the networks efficiency vastly IMO.

We've had Network Direct and by and large its worked quite well. Now we need Network Efficiency which should be a combination of eliminating stops, Garda enforcement of bus lanes and reducing dwell times through a cashless system and unloading buses through the middle doors when at busy city centre stops.

Aard · 20-02-2015 6:47pm

Given the current spacings, even a bus stop every 400m would be a good start.

frankoreagan · 20-02-2015 7:20pm

148m from stop 2169 to 2170 on the 69 in Clondalkin. The latter stop drops you directly on to a field with no footpath.

chocksaway · 20-02-2015 10:17pm

Any of the stops in littlepace on the 70/270 route. Bus drives down the road with stops every couple of hundred meters, goes around a roundabout and does the exact same in the way out.

sabat · 21-02-2015 2:45am

A couple of others I remember:
New St to Patrick St 140M (Basically the bus just crosses the junction and stops again immediately.)
From DIT at Redmond's Hill to the Carmelite Church on Aungier St 110M

richardjjd · 21-02-2015 7:59am

New stop just installed in front of Concern offices on Camden St. 56m from the stop in front of Daintree, according to Google maps (although it serves different routes!).

Bray Head · 21-02-2015 10:00am

KD345 wrote: »

The responsibility of bus stop locations transferred to the NTA last year.

Would any better-informed posters know who to suggest to in the NTA that they cull Dublin Bus stops by at least 60%?

Muahahaha · 22-02-2015 1:10pm

richardjjd wrote: »

New stop just installed in front of Concern offices on Camden St. 56m from the stop in front of Daintree, according to Google maps (although it serves different routes!).

Are two stops on the same route 56m apart? If so thats even shorter than the 70m between two stops on the 140 route that Ixflyer pointed out. It is incredible that we have bus stops less than 90 seconds walk apart.

Just on a side note, I think the reason for a lot of these stops is previous routes being amalgamated with duplicity of stops not being adequately removed. Was this because of local poltical interference in the bus system? If so have things changed much since the NTA took over the locations of bus stops or are they still open to interference ?

LXFlyer · 22-02-2015 1:47pm

richardjjd wrote: »

New stop just installed in front of Concern offices on Camden St. 56m from the stop in front of Daintree, according to Google maps (although it serves different routes!).

Muahahaha wrote: »

Are two stops on the same route 56m apart? If so thats even shorter than the 70m between two stops on the 140 route that Ixflyer pointed out. It is incredible that we have bus stops less than 90 seconds walk apart.

Just on a side note, I think the reason for a lot of these stops is previous routes being amalgamated with duplicity of stops not being adequately removed. Was this because of local poltical interference in the bus system? If so have things changed much since the NTA took over the locations of bus stops or are they still open to interference ?

This is a total red herring - these two stops on Camden Street serve two completely different groups of routes.

It's perfectly acceptable to have two stops for different routes within this distance.

Ideally bus stops on routes should be about 400m apart, but local circumstances may dictate a need for closer spacing, such as in the city centre and in suburban housing estates where people may already have had to walk a reasonable distance to get to the bus route.

I don't think calling for the removal of 60% of bus stops is exactly sensible either - I think some people are a bit too zealous in what sort of bus service they want, which could exclude many older people for example. Don't get me wrong, I certainly think some stops could (and should) be removed, but 60% is going OTT.

Personally I think a full review of bus stops is long overdue, primarily from a safety and design perspective, but this could also incorporate the spacing as well.

There is also a need, as the economy begins to revive itself, to look at potentially reintroducing and increasing Xpresso services from the outer suburbs at peak times to try and deliver a faster service for those customers. Simply physically removing half the stops is not the right answer.

Beat this: Dublin Bus stop game

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