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Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread II

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    #8852
    neilmulvey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 577 ✭✭✭neilmulvey


    jm08 wrote: »
    Thats 2 years ago, would you get over it!

    He was the best scrumhalf on the Lions tour and you think he is only showing signs of maturing.:confused:

    Fairplay to Kidney - he saw his potential and stuck with him. Same with Zebo, Henderson, Gilroy & POM (and a few others) now we have the backbone of a new generation of players.


    Kidney didnt choose these players over others, Kidney had little or no choice in some cases. Kidney is the guy who took Paddy Wallace from a beach in Portugal and put him into the Irish midfield last year against the ABs a few days later despite having options in NZ already.


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    #8853
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,296 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    neilmulvey wrote: »
    you dismissed two very good, experienced scrum halfs as contenders for the 9 jersey. The problems ran far deeper then the injury list.

    Both are 32/33 - hardly the future. They certainly won't make the next world cup. And the proof that Kidney has got it right is that on the back of 16 international starts Murray made a Lions Tour (as tackle bag holder) and worked his way up to a test spot.


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    #8854
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,713 ✭✭✭✭phog


    neilmulvey wrote: »
    yeah like its not as if Reddan or Boss have won multiple HECs or anything.

    Reasons similar to this could be why Gatland went with 10 Welsh players and dropped BOD and Heaslip from the final test, Wales have won more Grand Slams.

    We all know Murray was lucky to get his first cap, we all know he hasn't always been top of his game, we all know the full squad haven't been top of their game, but criticism of some more than others seem to be more acceptable, Murray is one that seems to be fair game.


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    #8855
    neilmulvey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 577 ✭✭✭neilmulvey


    jm08 wrote: »
    Both are 32/33 - hardly the future. They certainly won't make the next world cup. And the proof that Kidney has got it right is that on the back of 16 international starts Murray made a Lions Tour (as tackle bag holder) and worked his way up to a test spot.

    both are 33 but thats not the point. Ireland are too wrapped up in world cup cycles and I cant understand why. We wont win it anytime soon so IMO we should target the 6N year on year for success.


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    #8856
    JagerScout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 392 ✭✭JagerScout


    jm08 wrote: »
    Thats 2 years ago, would you get over it!

    thats all you have? you're losing your touch.
    jm08 wrote: »
    He was the best scrumhalf on the Lions tour and you think he is only showing signs of maturing.:confused:

    Fairplay to Kidney - he saw his potential and stuck with him. Same with Zebo, Henderson, Gilroy & POM (and a few others) now we have the backbone of a new generation of players.

    He was the best and fair play to him, he has quite clearly improved a lot. Still does not justify his selection two years ago and Kidney's blind insistence that he was first choice.

    Ah yeah sure Kidney did a great job didn't he?:rolleyes:


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    #8857
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,296 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    neilmulvey wrote: »
    Kidney didnt choose these players over others, Kidney had little or no choice in some cases. Kidney is the guy who took Paddy Wallace from a beach in Portugal and put him into the Irish midfield last year against the ABs a few days later despite having options in NZ already.

    I'm not going to go into all the various selections made by Kidney - my main point is this I think its a good thing that Murray, Gilroy, Henderson, Zebo, POM all got chances from Kidney and fair play to them they have taken them. Murray in particular has done well - but hardly surprising as he seems to have a habit of working his way up very quickly (U20s he started on the bench and ended up being the first choice SH).


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    #8858
    neilmulvey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 577 ✭✭✭neilmulvey


    phog wrote: »
    Reasons similar to this could be why Gatland went with 10 Welsh players and dropped BOD and Heaslip from the final test, Wales have won more Grand Slams.

    We all know Murray was lucky to get his first cap, we all know he hasn't always been top of his game, we all know the full squad haven't been top of their game, but criticism of some more than others seem to be more acceptable, Murray is one that seems to be fair game.

    Im not against Murray, I just dont believe he should be guaranteed his place just because Boss and Reddan are 33, both have 2-3 years left in them and are very good SHs. Murray will be better then both in time.


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    #8859
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    jm08 wrote: »
    Because he started to stand much flatter with Murray.

    No I believe it was Sexton and Howley responsible for that.


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    #8860
    JagerScout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 392 ✭✭JagerScout


    jm08 wrote: »
    Because he started to stand much flatter with Murray.

    talk about jumping to conclusions based on nothing..


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    #8861
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,713 ✭✭✭✭phog


    neilmulvey wrote: »
    Im not against Murray, I just dont believe he should be guaranteed his place just because Boss and Reddan are 33, both have 2-3 years left in them and are very good SHs. Murray will be better then both in time.

    No one should be guaranteed their place.


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    #8862
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,296 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No I believe it was Sexton and Howley responsible for that.

    And how would Sexton be responsible for that and anyway Sexton was standing pretty deep in the early stages of the tour.

    Because Murray is a breaking threat himself (as well having a quick pass), pressure was taken off the outhalf.


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    #8863
    danthefan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    jm08 wrote: »
    Sexton was standing pretty deep in the early stages of the tour.

    Whoa whoa whoa there.

    You're telling us they both were standing deep early in the tour and both standing flatter later in the tour.

    And you're attributing this to Murray, rather than say a shift in tactics?

    Well good for you.


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    #8864
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,296 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    neilmulvey wrote: »
    Im not against Murray, I just dont believe he should be guaranteed his place just because Boss and Reddan are 33, both have 2-3 years left in them and are very good SHs. Murray will be better then both in time.

    Murray was picked for his physicality in the world cup game against Wales. Worth noting is that Ireland have never beaten Wales with Eoin Reddan as the starting scrumhalf.

    Boss isn't an international scrumhalf.


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    #8865
    Lelantos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I'd be shocked if he left Australia but he'd command huge money in Europe given his versatility.

    Of course, but he would be a perfect signing for us. With Rog & Dougie off the books, who knows! .....it's Sunday, I'm allowed hope for miracles


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    #8866
    JagerScout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 392 ✭✭JagerScout


    jm08 wrote: »
    Murray was picked for his physicality in the world cup game against Wales. Worth noting is that Ireland have never beaten Wales with Eoin Reddan as the starting scrumhalf.


    picked for being big and strong rather than actually being a good scumhalf, vintage Kidney.

    Wonder why he is currently unemployed.


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    #8867
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,713 ✭✭✭✭phog


    JagerScout wrote: »
    picked for being big and strong rather than actually being a good scumhalf, vintage Kidney.

    Wonder why he is currently unemployed.

    Who's unemployed?

    Edited to add - he was and is a good scrum half, his size and strength is what may have helped Kidney select him over the other options.


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    #8868
    JagerScout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 392 ✭✭JagerScout


    phog wrote: »
    Who's unemployed?

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    #8869
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,713 ✭✭✭✭phog


    JagerScout wrote: »
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    Isn't he employed by UCC.


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    #8870
    Tomtom364
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    phog wrote: »
    Who's unemployed?

    Edited to add - he was and is a good scrum half, his size and strength is what may have helped Kidney select him over the other options.


    He is actually still employed In pres as a teacher but anyways.


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    #8871
    JagerScout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 392 ✭✭JagerScout


    phog wrote: »
    Isn't he employed by UCC.

    That's certainly a step up.

    But of course I meant in professional rugby.

    Kidney did such a good job he is in high demand by amateur sides throughout Munster.


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    #8872
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,296 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    danthefan wrote: »
    Whoa whoa whoa there.

    You're telling us they both were standing deep early in the tour and both standing flatter later in the tour.

    And you're attributing this to Murray, rather than say a shift in tactics?

    Well good for you.

    A shift in tactics if you like to call changing the partnerships around.

    Murray only started one game with Farrell (last mid-week game against the Rebels) having played 20 mins against the Brumbies in the previous mid-week game. Thats around the time everyone was saying that Farrell was standing much flatter.


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    #8873
    testicle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭testicle


    Lelantos wrote: »
    Of course, but he would be a perfect signing for us. With Rog & Dougie off the books, who knows! .....it's Sunday, I'm allowed hope for miracles

    ROG had a Central Contract


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    #8874
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,713 ✭✭✭✭phog


    JagerScout wrote: »
    That's certainly a step up.

    But of course I meant in professional rugby.

    Kidney did such a good job he is in high demand by amateur sides throughout Munster.

    More bull, he finished with Ireland only a few months ago, we've no idea if he was interested in getting into coaching/managing again or did he want to take a break.

    Your posts are a bit condescending really.


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    #8875
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,296 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    JagerScout wrote: »
    That's certainly a step up.

    But of course I meant in professional rugby.

    Kidney did such a good job he is in high demand by amateur sides throughout Munster.

    Its UCC Sporting Director*, not coaching rugby.

    *linked with the job.


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    #8876
    JagerScout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 392 ✭✭JagerScout


    phog wrote: »
    More bull, he finished with Ireland only a few months ago, we've no idea if he was interested in getting into coaching/managing again or did he want to take a break.

    what we do know is that he was fired.. because he performed terribly..

    and that currently he is no longer employed as a rugby coach in any capacity.. because he performed terribly..


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    #8877
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,713 ✭✭✭✭phog


    JagerScout wrote: »
    what we do know is that he was fired.. because he performed terribly..

    and that currently he is no longer employed as a rugby coach in any capacity.. because he performed terribly..

    Can't really recall was he fired or his contract not wasn't renewed, wasn't a huge issue for me.

    Either way, to date he's been the most successful coach in Ireland.


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    #8878
    JagerScout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 392 ✭✭JagerScout


    phog wrote: »

    Either way, to date he's been the most successful coach in Ireland.

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    #8879
    Lelantos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    testicle wrote: »
    ROG had a Central Contract

    Yes, but there was an offer on the table for a new contract, that was from Munster, not a Central contract. That money should be available for a player


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    #8880
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Lelantos wrote: »
    Yes, but there was an offer on the table for a new contract, that was from Munster, not a Central contract. That money should be available for a player

    Howlett was originally going to be offered an extension by the sounds of it as well, before he was forced to retire because of injury.

    I'm completely guessing figures here but I'd say the money that would have been allocated to both contracts would be around €300k-€350k between the two players. So there should be money for new players, if Munster needed the money for something else then there would have been no talk of an extension for either ROG or Howlett in the first place.


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    #8881
    Mahatma Geansai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭Mahatma Geansai


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Howlett was originally going to be offered an extension by the sounds of it as well, before he was forced to retire because of injury.

    I'm completely guessing figures here but I'd say the money that would have been allocated to both contracts would be around €300k-€350k between the two players. So there should be money for new players, if Munster needed the money for something else then there would have been no talk of an extension for either ROG or Howlett in the first place.

    Remember that there was money there for Fitz too on top of the cash there for ROG and Howlett.


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