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Miss Universe has a little secret...

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  • #122
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭Morag


    Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »
    oh , tbh I really dont have anything against people who are transgender , gay , lesbian , or whatever , in fact I think its good to be who you are , I just think miss Universe should be for real women , I mean there has to be a line drawn somewhere or whats next ??? the world is crazy enough as it is.

    So your saying it should be for women born women, why?


  • #123
    Paulie Gualtieri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 420 ✭✭Paulie Gualtieri


    Sharrow wrote: »
    So your saying it should be for women born women, why?

    ???


  • #124
    Badly Drunk Boy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    So...does this mean that a person born a woman and had the operation to become a man is now no longer welcome to enter the Miss Universe competition?

    (Not that they'd want to, I assume.)


  • #125
    CreepingDeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Manco wrote: »
    The transphobic scum doing themselves proud again on AH, I see...

    The freak show has marched through AH again on yet another "pride parade" as soon as any transexual story is posted in mainstream news.


  • #126
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Fair play to the lads


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  • #127
    phill106
    Registered Users Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭phill106


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    If men who underwent transgender operations to become women retained superior strength and size (obviously not all men are bigger and stronger than women, but it's generally true) then that would be unfair.
    If they lost these advantages, then it would probably be fine.
    If that is the case then, if a man had surgery to become a woman, including for instance a boob job, would (s)he then be disqualified from a beauty contest?


  • #128
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Confab wrote: »
    Indeed. Men with grafted-on tits are not women. Still weirdly attractive though.

    Half the "real" women probably have "grafted-on" tits.


  • #129
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    Nope, I'm just speaking out on the side of common sense here.

    What explicitly about the Miss Universe contest demands that the entrants be "natural born women" - is there some advantage that would be conferred to transgender contestants? Or a section in this prestigious event that would be impossible to perform for a transgendered person?
    What aspect of a beauty contest would be undone that having a transgendered person enter?

    Please let us know what the answer is. I mean unless you're just trying to dress up your ill thought through ideas with the pretence of "common sense" that is.


  • #130
    xsiborg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭xsiborg


    she's not the first one to be disqualified-

    http://pageantuniverse.blogspot.com/2008/12/pageant-trivia-dethroned-disqualified.html

    she IS the first one to hire a well known celebrity lawyer to promote herself fight her case after being disqualified, and i'd say the thoughts of the money involved changed donald trump's mind more than anything else!

    also it's pretty much an irrelevant fapfest nowadays so they had to find some way to get it more publicity and have it remain somewhat relevant.

    now i wonder when they'll stop the age discrimination and discriminating against women who have children... :rolleyes:


  • #131
    Paulie Gualtieri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 420 ✭✭Paulie Gualtieri


    I want to have an operation to become a Ford Fiesta and enter into a car show. oh wait.... I was born a man , ah crap :(


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  • #132
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »
    I want to have an operation to become a Ford Fiesta and enter into a car show. oh wait.... I was born a man , ah crap :(

    yeah thats the same thing.


  • #133
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »
    I want to have an operation to become a Ford Fiesta and enter into a car show. oh wait.... I was born a man , ah crap :(

    You do understand that analogies usually have to have at least some relation to the situation you're attempting to comment on, right?


  • #134
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users Posts: 13,083 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    The freak show has marched through AH again on yet another "pride parade" as soon as any transexual story is posted in mainstream news.


    I have been waiting for someone else to say all the things you have been saying in this thread so thank you.

    I see people saying ahh sure let them do what they like what harm are they doing......

    I could just respond to that by saying well im doing no harm in having my own opinion.

    Unfortunately thats not how it works in these situations though is it ;).

    We live in a world where we say and do and feel what ever we chose to at the end of the day.

    Everyone has there own opinions deal with it.


  • #135
    Paulie Gualtieri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 420 ✭✭Paulie Gualtieri


    hooradiation wrote: »
    You do understand that analogies usually have to have at least some relation to the situation you're attempting to comment on, right?

    I know I wasnt completely serious , I just think you have to play the hand your dealt in life , and if that means not entering a pagent, well , life is tough.


  • #136
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    I have been waiting for someone else to say all the things you have been saying in this thread so thank you.

    I see people saying ahh sure let them do what they like what harm are they doing......

    I could just respond to that by saying well im doing no harm in having my own opinion.

    Unfortunately thats not how it works in these situations though is it ;).

    We live in a world where we say and do and feel what ever we chose to at the end of the day.

    Everyone has there own opinions deal with it.

    "its my opinion" is the go to response for ignorant bigots who cant fathom there are people who dont share their close minded views.


  • #137
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    Everyone has there own opinions deal with it.

    Most people think theirs through, though.
    Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »
    I know I wasnt completely serious , I just think you have to play the hand your dealt in life , and if that means not entering a pagent, well , life is tough.

    Well, it's rather easy to say "play the hand you're dealt" when the deck is stacked in your favour, isn't it.


  • #138
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    krudler wrote: »
    "its my opinion" is the go to response for ignorant bigots who cant fathom there are people who dont share their close minded views.

    Not being able to fathom that others do not share your views is not exclusive to people who are on just the one side of this discussion. You do know that right ?


  • #139
    Paulie Gualtieri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 420 ✭✭Paulie Gualtieri


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Most people think theirs through, though.



    Well, it's rather easy to say "play the hand you're dealt" when the deck is stacked in your favour, isn't it.

    maybe so , suppose its hard to put yourself in that situation , so its difficult to grasp , but would not taking part in a pagent be the end of the universe?


  • #140
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Morlar wrote: »
    Not being able to fathom that others do not share your views is not exclusive to people who are on just the one side of this discussion. You do know that right ?

    Ah, but one side has the rule of law to fall back on.

    If you don't accept that, can we use electroshock treatment on you?


  • #141
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    if your birth cert says you're a man, then you're a man, and entering a pageant, whinging or parading around town in the most flamboyant of clothing is not going to change that.


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  • #142
    gypsy_rose
    Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭gypsy_rose


    Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise the great importance and influence the Miss Universe contest has, God forbid someone change the rules and the winner looks pretty and does good works/representation/whatever the hell they do.

    Is there a shortage of female born women on the internet to jack off to or something?


  • #143
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Manco wrote: »
    The transphobic scum doing themselves proud again on AH, I see...

    'Transphobic', what a nice word.. You don't like a persons opinion so now you're trying to intimidate and de-legitimise because you don't want to engage in reasoned debate with them.

    If you have to resort to name-calling and a cultural-marxist ideological framework you really have nothing to back up an opinion with.


  • #144
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Ah, but one side has the rule of law to fall back on.

    If you don't accept that, can we use electroshock treatment on you?

    to be fair, the electro option is far less expensive than the other option some of these gay men who want to be women are constantly trying to get the government to pay for.


  • #145
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,920 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    genericguy wrote: »
    if your birth cert says you're a man, then you're a man, and entering a pageant, whinging or parading around town in the most flamboyant of clothing is not going to change that.

    They can get birth certs changed


  • #146
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    genericguy wrote: »
    if your birth cert says you're a man, then you're a man, and entering a pageant, whinging or parading around town in the most flamboyant of clothing is not going to change that.

    They get their birth certs changed to reflect their current gender.

    Didn't you know?


  • #147
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    They can get birth certs changed

    that ultimately doesn't change the fact that they were born men, though, does it?


  • #148
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    phill106 wrote: »
    If that is the case then, if a man had surgery to become a woman, including for instance a boob job, would (s)he then be disqualified from a beauty contest?

    If they were judged to have to have cosmetic surgery designed to make them more conventionally attractive, rather than just hormone treatments and basic surgery, then yes, I think they should be disqualified if the competition bans the other contestants from having cosmetic surgery.


  • #149
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    They get their birth certs changed to reflect their current gender.

    Didn't you know?

    Yep, I did, however I can scribble on mine that I'm Ballabriggs but that doesn't mean I have a right to run in the fking grand national now, does it?


  • #150
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,920 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    genericguy wrote: »
    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    They can get birth certs changed

    that ultimately doesn't change the fact that they were born men, though, does it?

    That's not what you said. So if their birth says they're a woman, then they're a woman


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  • #151
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »
    maybe so , suppose its hard to put yourself in that situation , so its difficult to grasp , but would not taking part in a pagent be the end of the universe?

    I'll turn that question on it's head - what reason can you give as to why a transgendered person should not be be allowed to enter Miss Universe? Would they be gifted an unfair advantage? Or would there be aspects of the pageant they'd be incapable of performing?

    If we accept it's a beauty contest and as such is simply about outward appearances then what's the issue?


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