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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    The full text of the IT article below - for the record. Pity Kathy Sheridan didn't do the earlier report on the Limerick Junction/Waterford line as judging by this one she would have done a better job. :)

    The Irish Times - Friday, April 2, 2010
    Galway to Limerick, the slow way

    They say it’s faster to drive from Galway to Limerick than to take the new train route but, as KATHY SHERIDAN discovers, you’d miss out on the brief encounters with strangers.
    EVER BEEN stuck in a traffic jam and felt a pressing need to get out and demand to know where all the others were going and why the hell they couldn’t cycle, walk or take a bus? No? Not even a little bit curious? True, there is the risk of being knocked unconscious by a deranged driver who fails to see the value of such research.
    Trains are so much more civilised. You can pull up next to any stranger at a station and they’ll talk – even at 6.30am. Of course, it helps that people are at their most vulnerable around that time, a fact soon verified when I ask a chatty man I now know to be a loiterer to direct me to the ticket desk. He points me to a machine, I press the button for Limerick, insert €15 – good deal for a train, I’m thinking – get the ticket, and ask my helpful friend where the train is. He escorts me out to the bus. We stand looking at one another uncomprehendingly. Yes, I have purchased a bus ticket.
    Call it research (please, expenses authoriser). I can now verify with total certainty that the bus to Limerick is little more than half the price of the train, which came to €28.50 – oddly, still 50 cent more than the online price of the Dublin-Galway leg (which, Ryanair-style, would have been €3 cheaper if I hadn’t the cheek to want to use a credit card).
    So, yes, buses are cheaper. But anyone can get a bus. This, by contrast, is only the second day’s train service to Limerick in 34 years.
    6.40AM DEPART GALWAY
    Before proceeding, I must contend with another setback. To be frank, after 34 years of dammed-up demand, I expect the train to be mobbed, with people hanging off the roof.
    Instead, there are Abdel, Patrick and me. And John, the ticket collector, who is only going as far as Ennis.
    Abdel looks remarkably kempt and alert for this hour of the morning, in crisp white shirt and suit. He is Dr Abdel Wael, a 29-year-old medical doctor from Khartoum in Sudan, working on unpaid attachment at University College Hospital in Galway, and heading for a 10am interview at the Mid-Western Regional Hospital in Limerick. He has been in Ireland for 70 days, he says, as we shiver on the train (the other carriage is the unheated one, interestingly). But he notes with no great yearning that it’s 40 degrees in the shade back in Sudan. I suggest that with the state of the economy, perhaps the heating is being rationed. He looks at me gravely and says: “It’s not that bad. . .” And it’s not. We should all start our mornings with some perspective from Abdel.

    The gentle motion is taking us through landscapes where sheep and lambs are safely grazing, cattle are still slumbering, and the new day is opening over jewel-green fields and ancient stone walls, the gathering light reflecting off little rivers and small, temporary lakes, as an old Massey Ferguson queues at one of the 143 level crossings.
    The only early bus – even at half the price – would have got Abdel to Limerick at 10am, cutting it too fine for his hospital interview. This way, he gets to Limerick at about 8.40am, with plenty of time to spare.
    Our other passenger is Patrick Rochford, a 22-year-old student who is trying to get to Cork for an 11am board meeting of Experimental Intercultural Learning, a non-profit trust that administers travel awards for young people in all sorts of settings, from Nigerian healthcare and turtle egg conservation in Mexico to working time with the governor of Vermont. He could have got the 5.30am Galway-Limerick-Cork bus. But that would take him first to Shannon bus station, where it would arrive around 7.30am, meaning a 45-minute wait before pushing on to Limerick city, and another half-hour wait there before heading for Cork, arriving at 11.40am. Six hours on and too late for his purposes.
    The direct 7.05am service from Galway would get him to Cork at the same time, but still too late.
    By train, he’ll get to Limerick soon after 8.30am, and is torn between getting a bus or another train all the way north to Limerick Junction, to connect with the Dublin train to take him south again to Cork.
    7AM ATHENRY
    We’re only five minutes behind the timetable. Ben Hannon joins us. Now we are four. He’s from Limerick and took the 11.55am train yesterday up to Athenry to visit his girlfriend. So will he be using the service regularly, we ask hopefully? “Well, [the relationship] only started recently, so hopefully. . .”
    How recently? “A couple of weeks.” We can tell you, Louise, he’s keen. And the train is ideal, better than the bus, since you only live just around the corner from the station and the €20 fare is worth it.
    7.10AM CRAUGHWELL
    But we are still four, alas, pulling out of Craughwell. John McGrath, the ticket collector, assures us that it gets busy from Ennis, but frankly we’re not interested. From Ennis, the trip becomes a mere commuter journey to Limerick, and – worse – one that has been running for several years. John thinks people are going to wait and see whether the new route lives up to its promise. “And this is Holy Week, so it’s not a typical week.”
    7.20AM ARDRAHAN
    Mary Kelly gets on. She works in administration and is off to Limerick to do some shopping. She’s taking the train because “it’s a novelty”, and has paid €17.25 for the round trip. “It’s effortless. But they’d want to start offering more attractive fares,” she says, suggesting that Irish Rail missed an opportunity to run promotional offers this week to market the new route.
    7.30AM GORT
    A pretty station from this angle. Teresa Fahy, from Newquay in the Burren, and her cheerful 12-year-old grand-daughter Doireann climb on, and confirm that Gort station is indeed newly refurbished, a clean and lovely place. They are sitting in the first of the two carriages, both wrapping their collars around their faces to ward off the cold. We suggest they join us in the second, where the heaters are working – sort of. Teresa is going to babysit her other grand-daughter in Limerick, and makes the journey regularly, so is glad to have the train. In fact, she tried to use it on Monday, but only chained officials were allowed on. Between them, the trip is costing €8 return, since Teresa has a travel pass and she got free parking (this week only) at the station.
    8AM ENNIS
    Our intimate little idyll is destroyed by a small flood of commuters. No one is hanging off the roof yet, but the train is certainly three-quarters full by the time we pull out at 8am. Micheal Lynch, a graphic artist and personal trainer, home on a visit from California, is on the way to Cork to collect his new passport (no queues in Cork) and teams up with Patrick. Two sisters, Geraldine O’Brien and Siobhán Flanagan, from Bray and Greystones, are on the multi-leg return journey to Co Wicklow, after one of their regular visits to Geraldine’s daughter in Lissycasey, Co Clare.
    8.40AM LIMERICK
    We arrive on time, or thereabouts. After a pause, our train pushes on to Limerick Junction, with Patrick and Micheal aboard.
    LATER . . . THE OTHER WAY
    So who’s heading back to Galway? The 15 or so in the queue are a leisurely bunch in the main. Three generations – Nancy Cahill; her daughter, Niamh Cahill Donnellan; and Niamh’s sons, Andrew (six) and Barry (three) – are looking forward to a day out in Galway. They’ll take a bus out to Salthill and get a scent of the sea. The round trip cost €30 for the five (Nancy and Barry travel free), says Niamh happily.
    Marie Jerome and her two teenage sons, Darragh and Dean Lillis, from Castleconnell, Co Limerick, are just trying out the new service – but there’s no hiding their joy about spending a day in Galway. They all like “the younger, more vibrant, more European” feel of the city. For Dean, there are more places to sit and relax, more parks and cafes. Darragh finds it “a more sociable city, less closed than Limerick”. And, says Marie, there’s a Marks Spencer in Galway. What? No Marks Spencer in Limerick? Afraid not.
    Later, we check back with Patrick. His trip worked out rather well. He got into Cork before 11am. Soon after, he’s sifting through EIL applications for Japan: 61 candidates for a single place. Later in the day, he’ll be doing the whole journey in reverse, hopefully in time to have his feet washed in St Nicholas’s Church, since it’s Holy Thursday.
    And Abdel? The interview went well, he thinks. Does he think he got the job? “It never happens that way . . . Often they say ‘very good’, then you never hear from them again. But they asked for more documents so I’ll get them to them today.”
    But the train service at least was working out. By now, he was back on the 11.55am train, waiting to be whisked back to Galway .
    And yes, it’s true as some allege. Given a fair wind, you can drive faster. Brian, the photographer who accompanied me, says he can drive it in 90 minutes without breaking the law, and providing it’s outside peak time. Ah, but then you’d miss being able to see in the dawn, and lurching gently through that magical landscape, the light spreading over that emerald fields – and the brief encount


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭FlameoftheWest


    The gentle motion is taking us through landscapes where sheep and lambs are safely grazing, cattle are still slumbering, and the new day is opening over jewel-green fields and ancient stone walls, the gathering light reflecting off little rivers and small, temporary lakes, as an old Massey Ferguson queues at one of the 143 level crossings.

    Ouch!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    Here's our 22000 liveried 2700. Minus the front gangway, oddly.

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    Whats the deal with this? What was it and whats it supposed to be now?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭FlameoftheWest


    DWCommuter wrote: »
    Whats the deal with this? What was it and whats it supposed to be now?


    To me it just seems like a paint test or something. The yellow flat panel at the front makes it look like a subway train or metro.

    Any other photos of it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,575 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    DWCommuter wrote: »
    Whats the deal with this? What was it and whats it supposed to be now?

    A re-painted 2700 now meant to resemble a 22k in IE Intercity colours. Somehow the colour scheme is meant to give the impression that the WRC is getting proper shiny Intercity trains. If Neon Circles had posted that on April 1st i'd have thought he was taking the piss with photoshop but sadly it's true!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭FlameoftheWest


    lord lucan wrote: »
    A re-painted 2700 now meant to resemble a 22k in IE Intercity colours. Somehow the colour scheme is meant to give the impression that the WRC is getting proper shiny Intercity trains. If Neon Circles had posted that on April 1st i'd have thought he was taking the piss with photoshop but sadly it's true!

    Notice how they even used paint to "square" the oval windows... If they put nice seats and decor inside I could see the point, but to just repaint the outside and nothing else it really stupid.

    Is is just the one coach?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,575 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    Notice how they even used paint to "square" the oval windows... If they put nice seats and decor inside I could see the point, but to just repaint the outside and nothing else it really stupid.

    Is is just the one coach?

    I believe there was supposed to be 3 coaches done in that scheme.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    lord lucan wrote: »
    A re-painted 2700 now meant to resemble a 22k in IE Intercity colours. Somehow the colour scheme is meant to give the impression that the WRC is getting proper shiny Intercity trains. If Neon Circles had posted that on April 1st i'd have thought he was taking the piss with photoshop but sadly it's true!

    So this frankenstein train is heading for the WRC?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,575 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    DWCommuter wrote: »
    So this frankenstein train is heading for the WRC?

    I'd imagine so though i'm surprised IE didn't have it ready for the "hob nobs" train the other day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    lord lucan wrote: »
    I'd imagine so though i'm surprised IE didn't have it ready for the "hob nobs" train the other day.

    So they are going to repaint the stock on the line as intercity?

    It make sense in one way as its supposed to be an intercity line. As for why it wasn't ready for the launch......well when you combine a retarded rail operator with a line that it never wanted to reopen in the first place, this will be just the tip of the iceberg.:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    I'm sure that they are working on a single bogie version at Inchicore. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    An Intercity liveried 2700 would make much more sense on the Limerick-LJ and Waterford-LJ routes since they perform virtually no commuter function. Meanwhile there's hilarious commentary going on over at IRN, there's a fella there who wants to send 2700s to Cork, 2600s to Drogheda and 29000s to Kildare all so Limerick-Galway can have 22Ks. I'm surprised the Alstom DARTs, the Mark 3s and the Presidential Mark 2 didn't figure in the plan.

    22Ks on that route make little sense given the line speed and none based from Limerick which is the main base for the 2700 class (which is why the Ballina 2700s traipse all the way down from there to Limerick to be swapped out).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭billybigunz


    What a distgrace. A political token to appease the West as a whole despite the fact that none of them will ever have any use for this service.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭FlameoftheWest


    What a distgrace. A political token to appease the West as a whole despite the fact that none of them will ever have any use for this service.

    Digging through the newspaper archives I came across this small spark of enlightment back in 2004. No doubt these poor bastards were either ignored, called lunatics, West Haters or personally savaged for telling it like it was.

    Well done DW (was that you?) you and the Platform Group were national heros when you think about it. Shame more people did not fight your corner with you guys.
    Tuesday, April 13, 2004

    Pressure group want to derail west track plan

    A RAIL transport lobby group has thrown cold water on the idea of re-opening the Western Rail Corridor.
    Platform11, a national rail transport pressure group, does not believe that spending E300 million to reopen the railway line from Sligo to Limerick, delivers value for money to Irish taxpayers.
    And more importantly, they say, it will do nothing to enhance the operational potential of the national rail passenger transport network.
    “Rail transport in the West of Ireland would benefit more from increasing the frequency of current services into the region, which would by default, also create viable commuter services in the West and Midlands.”
    Platform11 was formed in January 2003 to lobby for improved, integrated rail transport solutions for Ireland. The group describes itself as “objective observers and customers of Ireland’s rail transportation network”.
    In a statement the group said that it believes that the end result of spending E300 on the project would be “little more than an infrequent local connecting rail service which would have very limited commuter traffic potential with the possible exception of the Galway-Oranmore-Tuam corridor”.
    They refer to some “reality checks”, which they say must be applied to the Western Rail corridor proposal.
    They point out that there is no major population centre north of Tuam along the WRC which is not currently served by rail. “There is already an adequate rail service to the largest town on this section of the route, Claremorris - which not only connects the town with Dublin, but every other major town in Mayo by rail. Claremorris already enjoys a superior rail service than many towns around Ireland of a much larger population.”

    They say that road traffic congestion, which may justify a WRC rail commuter service, currently exists only between Tuam and Galway city.
    Rail freight, they say, is being successfully transported to and from Ballina/Sligo on the existing network without using the WRC.
    “Rail freight flows in terms of operating efficiency, would not be improved by the reopening of the WRC. They would have access to an alternative route to their final destination, which would not be significantly shorter in distance than current rail freight paths between the West of Ireland and other regions.”
    They also point out that the West of Ireland already has the heaviest concentration of passenger rail lines in the entire county.
    Their final ”reality check” is that the operational and maintenance costs of the reopened WRC would present a major financial burden to Iarnród Eireann, due to low patronage of the line and limited appeal of the proposed passenger service to the travelling public
    Platform 11 suggest that even the social and economic case has now been called into question as the BMW region in terms of economic development has recently overtaken the South East.
    “There are other rail transport projects around the country which would make more intelligent and viable use of new investment such as Cork-Midleton, Dublin-Navan and Athlone-Mullingar.
    “E300 million could also go a long way to securing the future and development of our existing regional rail routes such as Limerick-Waterford. Platform11 would also like to remind the Government that Dublin remains the only capital city in the EU still without a rail link of any kind to its airport.”


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    I believe "PaleRail(er)" is the usual term?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    Digging through the newspaper archives I came across this small spark of enlightment back in 2004. No doubt these poor bastards were either ignored, called lunatics, West Haters or personally savaged for telling it like it was.

    Well done DW (was that you?) you and the Platform Group were national heros when you think about it. Shame more people did not fight your corner with you guys.

    Yep. Im proud to say I was one of the people behind that article and many others relating to the WRC. I remember a few radio interviews out west as well. The most memorable bit was the reaction from the WOT people and others. Here's a sample from a header up north. No apology from that remark from me.
    Madam, - Derek Wheeler, a spokesman for Platform II, is quoted (April 6th) as offering as a reason for opposing the reopening of the Western Rail Corridor (WRC) linking Sligo with Galway that "there was no major population centre north of Tuam which was not currently served by rail."
    This is startling stuff. (Letterkenny?) It also suggests a remarkable lack of vision on the part of someone apparently speaking for a "national rail transport group." The Into The West rail lobby, formed in Derry earlier this year to campaign for the retention and upgrading of the Derry-Ballymena stretch of the line to Belfast, envisages an extension westwards and southwards from Derry to link up with the WRC at Sligo. The Northern rail operator, Translink, this week begins to take delivery of 23 new Spanish-manufactured trains at a cost of £80 million. These are designed to run on continuously welded track at speeds of 90 m.p.h. The upgrading of the Derry-Ballymena line, currently a badly maintained jointed track, would give a Derry-Belfast travel time of just over an hour, and would attract huge numbers away from the roads, to the considerable benefit of the environment and of travel safety. It will require a determined battle against the pro-road privatisers at Translink and the Northern Ireland Office to make this a reality. Into The West, however, has brought together rail workers, the wider trade union movement, tourism interests, environmentalists, rail enthusiasts and representatives of a number of political parties, including the Socialist Environmental Alliance, and the necessary battle is now under way. The all-Ireland dimension of this effort is vital. Upgrading Derry-Ballymena would offer a Derry-Dublin journey via Belfast of a little over three hours. This would be regarded by most travellers, as by those who care for the environment and about the death toll on the roads, as a better option than bus (four hours and 25 minutes) or plane - too expensive for use other than in emergencies, and travel time dependent on Dublin traffic. Instead of undermining the efforts of groups such as West on Track, Platform II should be co-ordinating its campaigning with those who are striving not only for the reopening and upgrading of the WRC but its extension through Bundoran and Letterkenny to Derry. Mr Wheeler says that the €300 million this initiative would require would be better spent on projects elsewhere. This proposition can be sustained only on the basis of the sort of short-sighted, weary, state profit-and-loss calculation which has blighted beauty everywhere we look and made so much of travel uncongenial. We in the north west are strengthening our links with fellow campaigners in the South. The Derry-Ballymena and Sligo-Galway rail links are essential elements of the modern people-friendly and environment-friendly transport infrastucture which the island needs and deserves. - Yours, etc., EAMONN McCANN, Socialist Environmental Alliance, Westland Avenue, Derry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    dowlingm wrote: »
    An Intercity liveried 2700 would make much more sense on the Limerick-LJ and Waterford-LJ routes since they perform virtually no commuter function. Meanwhile there's hilarious commentary going on over at IRN, there's a fella there who wants to send 2700s to Cork, 2600s to Drogheda and 29000s to Kildare all so Limerick-Galway can have 22Ks. I'm surprised the Alstom DARTs, the Mark 3s and the Presidential Mark 2 didn't figure in the plan.

    22Ks on that route make little sense given the line speed and none based from Limerick which is the main base for the 2700 class (which is why the Ballina 2700s traipse all the way down from there to Limerick to be swapped out).

    Does an example like you quote above not provide conclusive proof as to why enthusiasts are rediculed when it comes to commentary or lobbying on rail issues?

    As for the livery. I think it makes sense. But because IE had no interest in Limerick - Waterford or the WRC reopening, the whole thing will be a slow mish mash calamity. When investment was forthcoming in the 90s the limerick - Waterford - Rosslare line should have been upgraded under on track 2000. Waterford - Rosslare should have been branded regional rail and re-invented to suit the terrain. Same applies to Ballybrophy - Limerick.

    IE have pissed money about the place during the boom times and the railway is still a slow disjointed ****ing mess. Reopenings at the cost of hundreds of millions and existing lines being brought to the precipice of closure. There's a plan in Amiens street alright and its a plan designed by the mind of a jacked out semi state dipstick with **** for brains. The sooner they are exposed for that, the better. But alas none of the existing commentators have the balls to do it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭gally74


    i like trains but this will never work, once the gort bypass is open it wont have a hope


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    gally74 wrote: »
    i like trains but this will never work, once the gort bypass is open it wont have a hope

    so obvious isnt it! what a waste!


  • Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Hungerford


    dowlingm wrote: »
    22Ks on that route make little sense given the line speed and none based from Limerick which is the main base for the 2700 class

    The FF knuckledraggers in the west and that Galway Green senator guy have been promised 22ks next year. Just in time for the election. They are being stolen transferred from the Dublin commuter order.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Hungerford


    dowlingm wrote: »
    Meanwhile there's hilarious commentary going on over at IRN, there's a fella there who wants to send 2700s to Cork, 2600s to Drogheda and 29000s to Kildare all so Limerick-Galway can have 22Ks.

    I spotted that too. He can't understand why a 22k is currently running between a 'tumbleweed mecca' and a 'county town' or Limerick Junction and Ennis as we call them around here.

    That mainline station at mecca and that rather large city on the route between the two points may have something to do with it. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    Hungerford wrote: »
    The FF knuckledraggers in the west and that Galway Green senator guy have been promised 22ks next year. Just in time for the election. They are being stolen transferred from the Dublin commuter order.

    Unless there's room for manouvere in the latest batch coming in, I'd predict warfare if 22ks were removed from a busy route elsewhere to run on the WRC.

    If its known at political level that 22ks are heading to the WRC, then that explains why WOT and the political set have been so accepting of whats currently on offer. Therefore the rest of us look like tools for even debating the rolling stock issue. Then again, much of the WRC deal was done behind closed doors anyway. The doctored McCann report is proof.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    There is a big ball of fire in the sky which is called "the Sun" and it has been acting very oddly for the last 12 years. This is what regulates global temps more than anything else. That's the cause of all major climate change. The flooding in the West happened many times in the past. There was a scheme to drain the Shannon in the 1940's because of it. So many people notice it now because so many one off houses have been built in floodlands in recent years. In the past only the farmers would of noticed the flooding.

    Also google "Climate Gate" and see what a shower of lying psychopaths the main scientists behind Man Made Global Warming were and how they were caught in a sensational fraud when Russian Hackers broke into their files and exposed them as lowlifes and liars. All of them. Every last PhD decieving cretinious single last one of them. The greatest scientific fraud in history.

    All Gore, the Green Party and all the journalists were full of it. There is no Man Made Global Warming problem and there is no such thing as peak oil. All corporate and government scams to create new taxes and plough huge sums of public cash into the auto/oil industry to fund their fake crisis.

    Look it all up. All 100% verified and kept out of the papers as just about every journalist behind this carry on now looks like a propaganda spouting fool. Which they are. All the had to do was check the scientists papers and the lies, ommission and frauds in the data was apparent. But almost no journalist bothered and now they are trying to hide the whole sorry business.

    Again, The Sun - a big ball of fire in the sky which is not behaving the way it should...look it up. Some of the recent giant filiments of energy coming out of the Sun have never been witnessed before. You can't tax this. This is why it is not a crisis...

    Just the latest conspiracy theory backed by a minority of scientists who don't see eye to eye with the now established scientific majority consensus. Its a case of believe what you want to but I'll stick with the majority. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    Ouch!

    I thought 143 crossings was a typo! Jesus.

    Are they all (or most) automatic then?

    Did the topography or budget rule out a new routing from North of Gort to Oranmore, and an increase in line speed along the line in general? (Some of the IRN community quote speeds of 25 mph in sections!)

    Apologies if these have been answered elsewhere, but this seems crazy. The line can never hope to compete with journey times as long as they are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    To put it into context-a reopening to my home town (Youghal), hypothetically would involve refurbing three stations, and just two main level crossings (there's a third, which could be converted to a road overbridge relatively easily-although obviously at greater cost). And that's over a third the length of the section from Ennis that has reopened here.


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    I thought 143 crossings was a typo! Jesus.

    Are they all (or most) automatic then?

    Did the topography or budget rule out a new routing from North of Gort to Oranmore, and an increase in line speed along the line in general? (Some of the IRN community quote speeds of 25 mph in sections!)

    Apologies if these have been answered elsewhere, but this seems crazy. The line can never hope to compete with journey times as long as they are.

    My guess is that they included minor farm crossings too. The Kerry road would have a similar amount, I can't remember the exact number but XT142 is around Gortatlea (between Farranfore and Tralee) so it would be about 160 or so, but some would obviously have been closed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭billybigunz


    Just the latest conspiracy theory backed by a minority of scientists who don't see eye to eye with the now established scientific majority consensus. Its a case of believe what you want to but I'll stick with the majority. ;)
    The majority don't blame individual flooding events on the .6c degree rise of temperatures.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    @roundymooney - I'd refurb two stations (Killeagh P&R to catch Youghal bypass traffic, and Youghal itself), not Mogeely. Secure train storage and based drivers a must though, plus cash from Youghal council and/or CCC.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    The majority don't blame individual flooding events on the .6c degree rise of temperatures.

    Impossible to prove ok. Only time will tell - all I'm saying is I agree with the majority consensus and the possibility that an event like the recent floods could be the result of same. Solar flaring could also be a cause but not IMO at the expense of declaring the whole CO2 issue a conspiracy. My understanding of it is basically that the increase in ocean temperature causes increased evaporation leading to heavier cloud systems which tend to increase and prolong precipitation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    dowlingm wrote: »
    @roundymooney - I'd refurb two stations (Killeagh P&R to catch Youghal bypass traffic, and Youghal itself), not Mogeely. Secure train storage and based drivers a must though, plus cash from Youghal council and/or CCC.

    That's a good point actually. I'd wonder if Mogeely is just that bit too far from Castlemartyr to pick up trade, as it were. Either way, you'd have people driving to the station.

    The one thing they could do around here, that would impact on biggest amount of patrons would be to sort out the Horgans Quay thing-a station facing the river would land you from platform to Pana much faster.


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