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Limerick Prison ?

  • 24-10-2011 2:23am
    #1
    RobertDixon
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    I wonder if anyone can help me decipher something from a birth registration certificate from 1880. The info I can't make out is the location of work of the person's father. His home address appears to be 2 Roden Street, Limerick and his occupation is listed as "Warder of Keiliday Prison".

    The Keiliday is the bit I'm not at all sure of. Anyone have any suggestions ?

    I can't find anything which indicates that Limerick Prison has been known by any other name, although it certainly existed long before 1880. And I can't fit it to any other historical name I can find. Could it be a local name a prison might have been known as back then?


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  • #2
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,660 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Roden Street is at the back of the Army barracks so there may well have been a prison there in the 1800s.

    I've never heard of the prison that you mention but I'll ask at work today.


  • #3
    flyingsnail
    Registered Users Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭flyingsnail


    If you look at the map here (link) , there is mention of a prison near Roden street.


  • #4
    source
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    flyingsnail wrote: »
    If you look at the map here (link) , there is mention of a prison near Roden street.

    That's the old barracks jail down the back of the transport yard, I always thought that it was run by the Military. It's not very large.


  • #5
    Birdie086
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Birdie086


    flyingsnail wrote: »
    If you look at the map here (link) , there is mention of a prison near Roden street.

    found that map very ineresting, I always thought the sign for rhebogue on one of the roundabouts on childers road was spelled wrong, never knew what is now st marys park used to be military training ground. Amazing what you dont know about your own city sometimes.


  • #6
    Brennans Row
    Registered Users Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    RobertDixon wrote: »
    I wonder if anyone can help me decipher something from a birth registration certificate from 1880. The info I can't make out is the location of work of the person's father. His home address appears to be 2 Roden Street, Limerick and his occupation is listed as "Warder of Keiliday Prison".

    The Keiliday is the bit I'm not at all sure of. Anyone have any suggestions?

    If you are unsure in deciphering the “occupation part” of the cert, why don’t you make a scan and upload it, so that we can all have a go at interpreting the handwriting.

    The odd thing about Roden Street, is that it did not appear in the 1901 and 1911 census (Limerick Urban 4), which is not surprising as there is only one residence on it today.
    Roden Street and Roden Lane (now Barrack Hill) were possibly named because they were adjacent to the now demolished Roden House, which was located at the rear of the present red brick Technical Institute in O'Connell Avenue. It is an unusual name and it is also possible that itcould have some connection with Robert Jocely (1756-1820), 2nd Earl of Roden, who was Auditor General of the Irish Exchequer.

    Limerick Street Names – Gerry Joyce


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  • #7
    RobertDixon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭RobertDixon


    Brennans Row wrote: »
    If you are unsure in deciphering the “occupation part” of the cert, why don’t you make a scan and upload it, so that we can all have a go at interpreting the handwriting.

    Thanks to everyone for the responses so far. All very interesting.

    As suggested, I've scanned the certificate and hopefully it's attached to this message. I wonder if the word in question might be "military" ? All thoughts and comments appreciated.


  • #8
    Brennans Row
    Registered Users Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    It’s some scribble alright and I agree it must be military.


  • #9
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,660 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I dont think it's military but I dont have another suggestion.

    Have you searched the 1901 and the 1911 census archives for more info?


  • #10
    pgmcpq
    Registered Users Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭pgmcpq


    I believe the word is "military". If you look to the right on the complete cert, at signature, qualification, residence of informant. Look at the way "mother" is written, and in particular the way the "m" is formed. It seems very similar to the starting letter of the word in question. I'd never have got an "m" out of it directly but by comparison it seems clear. So if "m" is the first letter, the "military" is easy to make out - with the dots over the "i" to confirm.


  • #11
    source
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    pgmcpq wrote: »
    I believe the word is "military". If you look to the right on the complete cert, at signature, qualification, residence of informant. Look at the way "mother" is written, and in particular the way the "m" is formed. It seems very similar to the starting letter of the word in question. I'd never have got an "m" out of it directly but by comparison it seems clear. So if "m" is the first letter, the "military" is easy to make out - with the dots over the "i" to confirm.

    Beat me to it, was going to say exactly the same thing.


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  • #12
    Brennans Row
    Registered Users Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Limerick City Trades Register 1769-1925

    Record Details: #39836 - Hugh Black - Military Prison Warder - Roden Street - 1879
    The local studies section of the city library never ceases to amaze me as to what one can find there. :cool:


  • #13
    RobertDixon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭RobertDixon


    Brennans Row wrote: »
    The local studies section of the city library never ceases to amaze me as to what one can find there. :cool:

    Excellent. I had a page print-out from the 1880 Directory where Hugh, although deceased, is still listed but simply as a "prison warder". The 1879 Directory makes it crystal clear.

    Thanks to everyone to helped me out. Greatly appreciated.


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