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Staffordshire bull terrier

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    #62
    Knine
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Knine


    Alejandro Salmon Mutt wrote: »
    A Staffie or Pit in a muzzle is a very, very sad sight.

    There's not a snowballs chance in hell I'd ever muzzle my guys - sure how would they lick anyone!.

    Not only is it a very sad sight but it reinforces the bad public image people have of the breeds. They don't see the wagging tail on the other end of the dog, All they see is the muzzle.

    Once the dog is under control, I don't agree with muzzling them.


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    #63
    angelicaoife
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭angelicaoife


    Im in agreement with you guys. Hate seeing dogs muzzled, and you're totally right - it does give staffies a bad rep.
    I think Ill check with the owner though - I don't think he muzzles the dog,but I'd rather make sure.


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    #64
    angelicaoife
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭angelicaoife


    Hi Guys,

    Just to give you a quick follow up ... well I had the dog all last week and it was just the best week ever! I got no college work done as I just spent the whole time bringing the dog for walks and playing games! Much fun was had ... I cannot wait to have my own place so I can get a couple of staffies to run around the place.

    I chose not to muzzle the dog, and we'd a grand old time anyways. In fact, you guys were right ... loads of people wanted to come over and pet him! Sure the dog was in heaven. The best day was when I was crossing a bridge in Galway and a massive group of primary school kids walked by us. Every single one of them wanted to pet the dog. The teacher was cursing me!
    Thanks for all your kind words of advice. Ill be sure to come back for more when I've my own staffie!
    Cheers!


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    #65
    Resend
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    Alejandro Salmon Mutt wrote: »
    A Staffie or Pit in a muzzle is a very, very sad sight.

    There's not a snowballs chance in hell I'd ever muzzle my guys - sure how would they lick anyone!.
    What is the law about it
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/animal_welfare_and_control/control_of_dogs.html


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    #66
    ISDW
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    Resend wrote: »
    What is the law about it
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/animal_welfare_and_control/control_of_dogs.html

    Sorry, but I don't understand your post. Do you want to know what the law is about it? If so, why did you post that link? That will give you the information that you need.


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    #67
    Resend
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    ISDW wrote: »
    Sorry, but I don't understand your post. Do you want to know what the law is about it? If so, why did you post that link? That will give you the information that you need.
    as far as i understand they should be muzzled so why are you above the law? The reason i asked is i am not good with breeds but if it is the law they should be muzzled then they should


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    #68
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Resend wrote: »
    as far as i understand they should be muzzled so why are you above the law?
    Some people consider the mental welfare of their animals to take higher priority than a pointless law.

    Crazy, I know.


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    #69
    ISDW
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    Resend wrote: »
    as far as i understand they should be muzzled so why are you above the law? The reason i asked is i am not good with breeds but if it is the law they should be muzzled then they should

    How am I above the law? When have I ever posted that I am above the law? I just pointed out that I couldn't understand your post, you seemed to be asking a question and answering it in the same post. If thats against the law, then please put the link up to that particular law.:) Although, if that is the case, then I guess I'm breaking the law again now:confused:


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    #70
    Resend
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    seamus wrote: »
    Some people consider the mental welfare of their animals to take higher priority than a pointless law.

    Crazy, I know.
    it is not pointless law they can be a danger


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    #71
    Resend
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    ISDW wrote: »
    How am I above the law? When have I ever posted that I am above the law? I just pointed out that I couldn't understand your post, you seemed to be asking a question and answering it in the same post. If thats against the law, then please put the link up to that particular law.:) Although, if that is the case, then I guess I'm breaking the law again now:confused:
    i assumed you were saying it is ok to to walk them without muzzles. If not sorry. if you were then you are breaking the law


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    #72
    ISDW
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    Resend wrote: »
    i assumed you were saying it is ok to to walk them without muzzles. If not sorry. if you were then you are breaking the law

    Walk what without muzzles?


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    #73
    ISDW
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    Resend wrote: »
    it is not pointless law they can be a danger

    It is a pointless law, as it is about breeds, not individual dogs. I muzzle one of my dogs when I walk her because she is unpredictable, but she isn't on any list anywhere that says that she has to be muzzled.

    Any dog can be a danger, so why is it only particular dogs that have to be muzzled by law?


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    #74
    Resend
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    ISDW wrote: »
    It is a pointless law, as it is about breeds, not individual dogs. I muzzle one of my dogs when I walk her because she is unpredictable, but she isn't on any list anywhere that says that she has to be muzzled.

    Any dog can be a danger, so why is it only particular dogs that have to be muzzled by law?
    you could say that about any law. Fact is some dogs are required by law to be muzzled and anyone who doesn't is breaking theb law and should be prosecuted http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1998/en/si/0442.html


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    #75
    ISDW
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    Resend wrote: »
    you could say that about any law. Fact is some dogs are required by law to be muzzled and anyone who doesn't is breaking theb law and should be prosecuted http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1998/en/si/0442.html

    No, you couldn't say that about any law, there are very good reasons for most laws. I have no problem at all with dangerous dogs being muzzled, i.e., dogs of any breed that have a history of biting, or that the owner feels has a temperament that might lead them to bite. However, applying a law to certain breeds only is pointless. Breed specific legislation doesn't work, which is what that law is. Thanks for posting the link again, I do know the law, and had actually replied to your earlier post, indicating very clearly that I had read your link already.

    I'd still like you to tell me when I've broken any law though, or indeed when on here I have said I have broken the law, or indicated that I am above the law.


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    #76
    adser53
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭adser53


    Resend wrote: »
    it is not pointless law they can be a danger

    Balderdash! No specific breed are "a danger". The law is based on no facts or studies and as such, its pointless.


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    #77
    Shanao
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Shanao


    Resend wrote: »
    it is not pointless law they can be a danger

    As can any dog, bulls, horses, ponies, oh and of course the most dangerous of them all humans. Lets muzzle the lot!! Actually if a lot more dangerous people were muzzled then we really wouldn't have so many problems with animal welfare in this country.


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    #78
    Zapperzy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭Zapperzy


    Resend wrote: »
    it is not pointless law they can be a danger

    So was the labrador that snapped at me, the terrier that also lunged at me, oh and the boxer that would happily have chewed me up for breakfast (in that case the only thing which ironically saved someone from being severly mauled was that he was already muzzled), should I start campaigning for all labradors, terriers and boxers to be muzzled at all times in public because of these incidents? :confused: Oh Iv also fallen off a horse, should I ban those too? :confused: And if you look at statistics for farm related deaths there has also been a high number of people killed by bulls.

    The point is all animals can be a danger (including humans :D). Looking at dogs specifically any breed of dog is capable of biting, they all have the same weapon (i.e a set of teeth), yes bigger dogs can do more damage but what a st bernard can do to a adult would probably be on par to what a jack russell can do to a baby. Don't believe everything you read in the papers, 'pit bull mauls baby' sells more papers than 'labrador bites woman'. If you want to tackle dog bites then aim at the irresponsible owners who train there dogs to be dangerous weapons, they banned pit bulls in the UK in 1991 since then the numbers of dog bites have risen, it just goes to show you that targeting specific breeds does not work, you need to target the owners of dangerous dogs regardless of breed.


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    #79
    Devi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 446 ✭✭Devi


    Resend wrote: »
    it is not pointless law they can be a danger

    Its mad the biggest “dangers” in this society are alcohol, smoking and eating crap food and not one of them are against the law (not that I would want them to be) yet because you don’t understand something and it scares you (let’s be honest) it should be banned.


    I think micro chipping should be mandatory for ALL DOGS, and if your dog does something whether it be biting somebody or fowling a public area you should be held responsibly regardless of breed.


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    #80
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    adser53 wrote: »
    Balderdash! No specific breed are "a danger". The law is based on no facts or studies and as such, its pointless.

    So then all dogs should be banned ?
    I mean it would stop people from being malled, it would stop puppy farming. It will stop dogs from suffering.


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    #81
    Shanao
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Shanao


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So then all dogs should be banned ?
    I mean it would stop people from being malled, it would stop puppy farming. It will stop dogs from suffering.

    Then lets ban cars as well. it will stop drink driving, it will stop hit and runs, it will stop overspeeding and crashes. No not all dogs should be banned, but some owners certainly should be. There should be more laws in regards to owning dogs, and certainly in regards to puppy farms. Besides, if you banned dogs, then the 'tough men' who have the restricted breeds would only see more incentive to have them. As another poster said Breed specific legislation just does not work, and banning breeds over here will just lead to more and more druggies and gang members to have them.

    When you think about, how could you ban all dogs in any case? Guide dogs, assistance dogs, autism dogs, therapy dogs, working dogs, hunting dogs, shepherd dogs, guard dogs, search and rescue dogs, seriously the list of what dogs do for us goes on and on. Its just a pity that we as a species cant show them the respect they deserve.


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    #82
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    Shanao wrote: »
    Then lets ban cars as well. it will stop drink driving, it will stop hit and runs, it will stop overspeeding and crashes. No not all dogs should be banned, but some owners certainly should be. There should be more laws in regards to owning dogs, and certainly in regards to puppy farms. Besides, if you banned dogs, then the 'tough men' who have the restricted breeds would only see more incentive to have them. As another poster said Breed specific legislation just does not work, and banning breeds over here will just lead to more and more druggies and gang members to have them.

    When you think about, how could you ban all dogs in any case? Guide dogs, assistance dogs, autism dogs, therapy dogs, working dogs, hunting dogs, shepherd dogs, guard dogs, search and rescue dogs, seriously the list of what dogs do for us goes on and on. Its just a pity that we as a species cant show them the respect they deserve.

    Terrible analogy using car's since they are needed in the every day running of the country and is not a living thing. You could argue ban alcohol.

    So what you are saying all dogs being banned would not reduce cruelty to the animals themselves.


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    #83
    Shanao
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Shanao


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Terrible analogy using car's since they are needed in the every day running of the country and is not a living thing. You could argue ban alcohol.

    So what you are saying all dogs being banned would not reduce cruelty to the animals themselves.

    As are dogs are they not? Where do you think we as a species would be without dogs?

    And no I highly doubt it will reduce cruelty as we will then have people packing dogs into ships/planes etc to ship them in and sell them on the black market for the thugs and criminals who dont give a **** about the ban right now, and certainly wouldn't then either. Not to mention that what exactly do you think would happen to the dogs in the country right now if they were suddenly banned? And couldn't the same be said for horses? Ban all horses in the country, no more injuries from horses and no more horse cruelty?


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    #84
    Whispered
    Registered Users Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    Do you think all dogs should be banned, or are you asking rethorically?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    So what you are saying all dogs being banned would not reduce cruelty to the animals themselves.

    How far do you go with that? Lets ban all domestic animals - get rid of cruelty to animals full stop?

    To many people their dog is as necessary for happiness and comfort in their life as eating meat etc.


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    Shanao wrote: »
    And no I highly doubt it will reduce cruelty ,


    How can you even say that , of course it will. Compare the amount of Dog abuse cases to that of a cheetah in Ireland ??? One is banned the other is not. Tell me how many Alligators were abused in Ireland and compare it to dogs. You talk about a black market.

    Getting back to the subject of the Dangerous dogs list, No specific dog is dangerous.

    Yet you went into specifics by mentioning ..

    Guide dogs (specific dogs are used for this)
    Hunting dogs (specific dogs are used for this)
    Guard Dogs (specific dogs are used for this)
    Search Dogs (Specific dogs are used for this)
    Running Dogs (Specific dogs are used for this)
    Fighting Dogs (Specific dogs are used for this)

    So if i wanted a dog as a Status Symbol to look ferocious which could train to attack on command, i can use it to attack people, i can use it to fight other dogs and win. Is there a list out there for me ? Yes there is as there are a number of dogs that fall under the category.

    Humans can do great things with dogs as you mentioned but on the other side of things there are those people who do bad things with dogs.

    It wouldn't be my choice to ban every do as i love my dog. But dogs do attack people. How would you fix this problem .

    I merely made a suggestion that would stop people from being attacked and nearly eliminate Animal cruelty. There would also be no dangerous dogs list.

    What would you suggest would fix the problem ?


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    #86
    Whispered
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    Deleted User wrote: »

    There would also be no dangerous dogs list.
    Problem solved. There is no dangerous dog list :p
    Deleted User wrote: »

    What would you suggest would fix the problem ?

    I would suggest the following.


    If you wish to own a dog over a certain size, you must do some basic training, with an accrediated organisation.

    Use cash collected from owners licenses to fund an educational drive in our schools.

    All dogs regardless of size or breed should be chipped, registered to owners and traceable

    Owners must be held accountable for damage or distress caused by their dog.

    More wardens - and wardens must be interested in animal welfare, as oposed to just geting strays off the street.

    If your dogs bites or attacks, you must be forced to address the problem, even if the victim is willing to let it go. Legally you should be held accountable either way.

    This idea of a dog needing only shelter, food and water needs to be updated. Socialisation leads to content, well behaved dogs. This should be legally required.

    There are many more things I'm sure which could be done. These are the first few that popped into my head. Beyond banning all dogs, what would you suggest?


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    #87
    EGAR
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    How many more times do we have to have that specific discussion? Irrational fear fueled by the media and ignorant politicians ....


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    #88
    ISDW
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How can you even say that , of course it will. Compare the amount of Dog abuse cases to that of a cheetah in Ireland ??? One is banned the other is not. Tell me how many Alligators were abused in Ireland and compare it to dogs. You talk about a black market.

    Getting back to the subject of the Dangerous dogs list, No specific dog is dangerous.

    Yet you went into specifics by mentioning ..

    Guide dogs (specific dogs are used for this)
    Hunting dogs (specific dogs are used for this)
    Guard Dogs (specific dogs are used for this)
    Search Dogs (Specific dogs are used for this)
    Running Dogs (Specific dogs are used for this)
    Fighting Dogs (Specific dogs are used for this)

    So if i wanted a dog as a Status Symbol to look ferocious which could train to attack on command, i can use it to attack people, i can use it to fight other dogs and win. Is there a list out there for me ? Yes there is as there are a number of dogs that fall under the category.

    Humans can do great things with dogs as you mentioned but on the other side of things there are those people who do bad things with dogs.

    It wouldn't be my choice to ban every do as i love my dog. But dogs do attack people. How would you fix this problem .

    I merely made a suggestion that would stop people from being attacked and nearly eliminate Animal cruelty. There would also be no dangerous dogs list.

    What would you suggest would fix the problem ?

    Could you please tell me which dogs are on this dangerous dog list.

    Knives also kill people, lets ban them. Cows kill more people per year in Ireland than dogs, shall we ban them as well? The countries not in enough of a financial mess, lets get rid of that industry as well.

    Heres a good one, lets ban guns, then nobody would ever get shot. Oh wait, didn't we do that already? How many people have been shot this year, with something that is banned? Hmmm, so criminals, who have no regard for the law continue to own something, even though it is banned.


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    #89
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    EGAR wrote: »
    How many more times do we have to have that specific discussion? Irrational fear fueled by the media and ignorant politicians ....


    Its always going to be there.


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    #90
    EGAR
    Registered Users Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


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    Its always going to be there.

    Martin Luther King Jr said it better than I could:

    “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”


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    #91
    Cherry Blossom
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    Jez it's so obvious, I can't believe no-one else has figured it out! You just ban people, if there are no people they can't hurt anybody, there will also be no-one to get hurt, simples :rolleyes:


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