Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax

Actually the Soviets did most of the "Winning the War" in Europe.

Why did the Russians execute 8,000 Polish Soldiers during WWII?

What did Polish people do to Oppose the moving of Polish Jews to the Warsaw Ghetto?

What did the Polish people do about the destruction of Polish Jewry?

Churchill and others of allies committed terrible War Crimes (Dresden comes to mind). No-one prosecutes the victors.

Hitler's and Goebel's hatred and desire to destroy all Jews is not in historical Doubt. The "Final Solution" was the planned mass transportation via rail to the Death Camps. It was a complete plan designed to eradicate 11Million people simply because of their Jewish Ethnic or Religious background.

No-one, neither Hitler nor Churchill is on trial. The OP was about a video, which is a deliberate distortion by Holocaust Deniers.

Most occupied countries collaborated with the NAZIs to kill the Jews.

The NAZIs started compiling lists in countries outside Germany before WWII!
http://www.amscan.org/benkow.html
However about 1/2 the Norwegian Jews escaped. Over 500 (nearly 1/2 the Jewish population) went to the death camps.

Denmark was the really the only country with no significant Anti-Jewish Collaboration. They managed to to save over 8,000 to Sweden. http://www.holocaustresearchproject.net/nazioccupation/danishjews.html

In January 1942 it was reported in the American press that the King of Denmark had threatened to abdicate if the German demand for Nuremberg legislation was pressed.

As a consequence, Rademacher the SS watch-dog over the Diplomatic Corps, advised Cecil von Renthe- Fink, the Reich plenipotentiary in Copenhagen, “to find occasions to point out that it would be prudent for Denmark to prepare in good time for the Final Solution.”

During the years between 1938 and 1941 the Germans through a mixture of diplomacy, and military conquest, dominated most of continental Europe.

Following the Sudetenland becoming part of the Reich in September1938, with the Munich Agreement the Germans marched into Prague on 15 March 1939, Hitler declares that “Czechoslovakia has ceased to exist”.

On 1 September 1939 the Germans invaded Poland and after ignoring an ultimatum to withdraw his troops, Britain, France, Australia, New Zealand declare war on Germany.

The Jews did not start WWI or WWII. WWI was related to the final collapse of the Ottoman (Nominally Muslim) and Austrohungarian (Nominally Christian) empires. WWII may in some subconscious sense have been Hitler's obsession the Jews (1933 - 1945) but in a practical sense started with the Spanish Civil War and Italy's Aggression (Facists) backed by Germany. For mainland Europeans the War started perhaps in 1938.

The German authorities created the Warsaw ghetto in October 1940. All the Jews in the city were ordered to transfer to the Jewish quarter assigned to them by 1 November 1940, while all the Aryans were ordered to remove elsewhere out of this quarter.

The Jews were allowed to take only personal articles with them, and were forbidden to take their furniture, though in practice this rule was not strictly observed. All the Jewish shops and businesses in the Aryan areas of the city were closed down and sealed.

This was a prelude to the "Final Solution".

Hitler would not have regarded the "Final Solution" as murder, but in much the same way as we would plan a way to rid a town of Rats.

After the outbreak of war between Germany and the Soviet Union and the German occupation of the Eastern areas of Poland, in July 1941, news began to arrive of mass machine-gunning of Jews in the more easterly towns and local centres.

At first the stories were hardly to be believed, but they were confirmed again and again by eyewitnesses. In the winter and early spring of 1942 these mass murders of tens of thousands of Jews grew more and more systematic.

Throughout the whole of the Vilno province only one centre of Jewish life was left in the city of Vilno itself, where some 12,000 Jews remained. In the city of Vilno over 50,000 Jews were murdered, in Rowne 14,000 in Lwow 50 percent of the Jewish population, and in Kowel 10,000.

Later similar reports were received from Stanislawow, Tarnopol, Stiryj and dozens of other smaller towns. It became obvious that the terror was moving westward from the eastern borders, while in the extreme west, in Poland’s “incorporated” western provinces, Jews had already been completely eliminated, only specialist craftsmen working for the German army being left, herded in isolated barracks.

New methods of extermination were being applied. The use of poison gas was resorted to for ten thousand people in Chelm. A camp was organised at Belzec for the special purpose of execution by electrocution and here in the course of about a month, in March and April 1942 80,000 Jews from the Lublin, Lwow and part of the Kielce provinces were executed.

Out of Lublin’s 30,000 Jews only 2,500 were left, 70 of these being women. Auxiliary to the main work of extermination the Jews were being deported from the smaller centres of population and concentrated in the larger towns. In the course of these operations alone some 10 percent, lost their lives.

The "Final Solution" was the idea of a complete and systematic efficient way to exterminate all 11Million Jews, instead of the ad hoc killing. Since at least 1933 this had been one of Hitler's goals. The administrative planning for the Final Solution was finalized January 1942 to at the Wannsee Conference. But the concept was Hitler's and pre-dates 1933 at least.

The "Final Solution" was more so Hitler's policy than Churchill's bombing German Cities (which Churchill ordered, and was a war Crime).


I can't argue on nuances of German Translation as my German is very bad and all the reading I have done (not just Wikipedia), is over a 40 year period in real books, in English.

1) The first is a diary entry by Joseph Goebbels of December 12, 1941. It runs as follows:

Bezüglich der Judenfrage ist der Führer entschlossen, reinen Tisch zu machen. Er hat den Juden prophezeit, daß, wenn sie noch einmal einen Weltkrieg herbeiführen würden, sie dabei ihre Vernichtung erleben würden. Das ist keine Phrase gewesen. Der Weltkrieg ist da, die Vernichtung des Judentums muß die notwendige Folge sein.

With respect of the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought about a world war, they would live to see their annihilation in it. That wasn't just a catch-word. The world war is here, and the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence. [7]

2) The second is a note in his own handwriting by Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler in his soon to be published diary of a meeting he had with Hitler at the latter's Headquarters (Wolfsschanze) on December 18, 1941. The notes are simply: [8]

Judenfrage / als Partisanen auszurotten

Jewish Question / to be exterminated like the partisans

Translated by BableFish

1) Concerning the Jew question is the leader decided to make pure table. He prophesied the Jews that, if they would cause again a world war they would experience thereby their destruction. That was no cliche. The world war is there, the destruction of the Judentums must the necessary result be.
2)
To exterminate Jew question/as partisans

But I think without doubt based on my reading, Hitler was the moving force of the "Final Solution". The details of the plan (which is real and achieved more than 50% of its goals) he of course left to others. There is in my mind less doubt about this than who ordered Hiroshima, Nagaski or Dresden.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/hitler-final-solution/

Many evil things in History we know who clearly ordered them, yet we don't have the signed Chit.

It seems to me that Anti-Semitism is at the heart of denying these facts. Or is anyone suggesting that Hilter wasn't a strong leader in charge and that he was a Good Man that had the "wool pulled over his eyes" by Himmler, Geobels, Eichmann, Heydrich and such?

watty wrote: »

Actually I'd guess less than 80% of buisnesses in Ireland are run by Irish Catholics (in ethnic + religious sense, i.e. at least baptised and confirmed). I'm sure we have about 10% Irish Protestants/Anglicans in Population. (Before all those Poles, Chinese and Africans came).


But that's a quibble. paper on it here 2006
http://arrow.dit.ie/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=imerep

I didn't have any exact numbers and was making a sorta educated guess.

Most Irish business are owned by Roman Catholics or descendants of Roman Catholics.
I'd imagine this stands for Irish politicians as well.

polishpaddy wrote: »

No it wasn't an extermination camp. It was a camp to hold prisoners. Everyone knows they were deported to the camp, many died there of typhus and other diseases.Where are you getting your information that says it was a camp to Exterminate people?

And here I was working on the assumption that Hitler was a raving madman that oversaw the greatest campaign of mass murder in history. Glad I'm set straight, it was a prison camp.

It's amazing how they 'lost' so many 'prisoners', feckin careless if you ask me. I suppose he was too busy with Stalingrad to take any notice.

Twas a shame about those babies that fell into large bonfires and the summary executions. Shoddily run operation if you ask me.

A little picture I took in Frankfurt the week before last. I believe it has all the names of the 40-50 thousand Jews that were taken off and never seen again. I didn't read too many, very depressing indeed, the names run all around the wall five deep.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

yeah but thats the thing too Meglome, have a look at some of the war memorials, the Big ones with a million names on them.

thats 50 thousand names ,for a city the size of Frankfurt, hell the one for all of Austria only has about 35 thousand names on it, if the claim is going ot be maintained at 6 million then realisticly there should be a lot more names on that list.

And?
The memorials aren't intended to be a complete record.
There are tons of sources out there that do confirm the numbers and as many names as is possible with incomplete records.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

and I have no doubt that someone will be along to remind us that the totally impartial Weisenthall center has 'claims' of up to 4 million names of people who 'died' during the war.

Wow that sound really impartial on your part.
And have you any basis at all for implying that the Weisenthall Center is exaggerating or falsifying any data?
What make you think they are?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

and on a seperate note, there is reasonable cause to suggest that the Zionists may well have orchestrated WW1, clearly the Fuhrer believed it.

Well if Hitler believed it, it must be true. Not like he was a fanatical racist at all.

But its odd, you don't believe the Weisenthall centre because you think they're not impartial?

Care to actually point out this "reasonable cause"?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

http://www.christianparty.net/holocaustredcross.htm


and the Weisenthal center have ben proven to be opportunistic liars, the Hunt Museum springs to mind, as does the hunt for Mengelev

and there is reasonable evidence that the Jews financed both sies of WW1 and were instrumental in drawing the Americans in extendinthe War for well over a year and bringing aboutthe dfeat of Germany

for more details check out Jewwatch.com

Jewwatch.com?
And the Weisenthal centre are opportunistic liars?

Wow.
Just wow.

Austria had 1/10th as many Jews before the war as Germany

http://www.humanitas-international.org/holocaust/jwlosses.htm

Counting ALL deaths, from any cause due to WWII:
Soviet Union had the most losses, over 20M altogether, 1M Jewish.
The USA lost only 418,500
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Against_the_Jews comes up with a slightly higher total. She used one way Railway fares as a significant source of documention.

No-one knows the exact numbers, but it is at least 5.5M and could be 6.2M

One list of camps, type of camp and deaths. Some Camps figures are unknown.
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blchart.htm

polishpaddy wrote: »

You will have to be a bit more specific.Lying about what? The numbers that died or how they died? If thats what you mean then just look at the state of isreal.They've been living off the backs of germans now for decades.It's a massive industry.

But aren't the reparations for loss of property/valuables and for the treatment of Jews as slaves? I don't think it has anything to do with Jews being killed (I caould be wrong, but that's what I had read). So if this is right, then the simple fact that Jews were persecuted is enough and they wouldn't have to make up anything about gassing.

And I wouldn't exactly call it an industry, let alone a massive one. They got a bundle of money after the war, and that was it. So did France after WW1 and they weren't gassed in their millions.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Shush, Wherever did you hear such a scurrilous and outlandish allegations

KM, Just because you believe one dogma does not nescesarily equate to all others being wrong.

there are elements of truth & shades of grey to everything, its all relative to the observer. jewwatch is no more biased than the Weisenthall center/ADA/ZionistMedia , they all put information out there for public consumption in an attempt to express their POV.

which one you believe is up to you.

Ah so we argee that Jewwatch is biased.
Would you also agree that the site is obviously racist bull****?
Cause, you know, it is.

As for the Weisenthall centre being biased, I bet you can't back that up with anything that isn't from a similarly biased and racist source as Jewwatch.

The thing is the Weisenthall centre and honest historians provide evidence for their claims.
Jewwatch relies on lies and racism to support theirs.

You see me believing that the Holocaust happened isn't a dogma because it's based on evidence and I could change that belief if someone provides solid evidence.
You haven't and can't supply such evidence because your belief isn't based on any facts or evidence at all.
Just lies and racism.

Dachau wasn't even a "proper" extermination camp...

Interesting essay, related topic
http://www.clivejames.com/articles/clive/anti-semitism