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Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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  • #2822
    mr bungle.
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭mr bungle.


    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    Game is not this weekend,but sunday week.I"ll start praying at this stage .

    Oh ya silly me lol


  • #2823
    mr bungle.
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭mr bungle.


    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    Game is not this weekend,but sunday week.I"ll start praying at this stage .
    Of course ya,silly me :-)


  • #2824
    Thinkstoomuch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Thinkstoomuch


    As if things could not get any worse.Lorchan Mcloughlin is now out as well.
    This is is the paper this morning.

    McLoughlin fell heavily at training on Tuesday night and left the field as a precaution with an injured shoulder. He was scanned yesterday in hospital and diagnosed with torn shoulder ligaments. The stand-out player for Cork in this year’s league campaign, McLoughlin is considered very doubtful for the Clare game.

      A definitive decision will be made early next week on Cork captain Patrick Cronin’s availability for the Munster SHC semi-final with Clare on Sunday week, with the player in a “race against time” to be fit for the game.  Cronin was recently released from hospital following treatment for a severe chest infection and is also regarded as having a slim chance of making the Cork championship side on Sunday week. The Bishopstown clubman will be on medication for the next few days and management sources indicated yesterday that a definitive decision on his fitness will be made next week. 

    “Patrick was very sick and hasn’t a lot done as a result,” said selector Kieran Kingston.  “He’s in a race against time to be fit for the Clare game as a result, which is a huge shame given all the work that he’s done and the fact that he’s captain, obviously.”  If the duo cannot play then it will be a huge headache for the management team as they lost forward Paudie O’Sullivan in late April to a serious leg break sustained in a county championship game.  McLoughlin is a regular at midfield, where Cronin can also play. Without them, Daniel Kearney of Sarsfields is likely to figure at midfield in the Clare game, possibly alongside Tom Kenny. Another Sars man, Cian McCarthy, is in line for a start on the half-forward line though Seamus Harnedy, who impressed for UCC recently, is another consideration.


  • #2825
    Thinkstoomuch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Thinkstoomuch


    Tom Kenny at midfield would be a huge risk.He was put at half back as JBM knew he has not the pace to cover the ground anymore.Morey would be way too fast for him.

    I would rather see Mcdonnell,or Shane O Neill there now.Clare have huge pace in that aera.
    Michael O Sullivan ,would be a better option in the forwards,than what is remaining.He is erratic at times,a work in progress,but has a great engine and will do the donkey work.He should have got game time in the league but did not.

    When you see what James Ryan done for Limerick last week in a similar role,O Sullivan could do the same over time.
    I wouldnt start him full forward though,hes shooting is hit and miss.

    If JBM wants a target man Harnedy would be a much better option at Full forward than whats remaining.O Sullivan can play midfield also,but when Cork need fast ball,he would not suit that style.

    Yes it is expecting a lot from these guys to just make their debuts and deliver but at this stage Id rather loose and try new players out,and hopefully learn something new,than go with players that have been tried and trusted and failed in too many games for Cork in the past.

    I thought it bad when we we went to thurles in 07 missing 3 key players for the munster championship game against Waterford.But nothing like now.At least we had a core of battle hardened expierenced players still in the team.
    This has to be the most depeleted Cork squad on hurling in recent times with injuries.


  • #2826
    Hidalgo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭Hidalgo


    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    Tom Kenny at midfield would be a huge risk.He was put at half back as JBM knew he has not the pace to cover the ground anymore.Morey would be way too fast for him.

    I would rather see Mcdonnell,or Shane O Neill there now.Clare have huge pace in that aera.
    Michael O Sullivan ,would be a better option in the forwards,than what is remaining.He is erratic at times,a work in progress,but has a great engine and will do the donkey work.He should have got game time in the league but did not.

    When you see what James Ryan done for Limerick last week in a similar role,O Sullivan could do the same over time.
    I wouldnt start him full forward though,hes shooting is hit and miss.

    If JBM wants a target man Harnedy would be a much better option at Full forward than whats remaining.O Sullivan can play midfield also,but when Cork need fast ball,he would not suit that style.

    Yes it is expecting a lot from these guys to just make their debuts and deliver but at this stage Id rather loose and try new players out,and hopefully learn something new,than go with players that have been tried and trusted and failed in too many games for Cork in the past.

    I thought it bad when we we went to thurles in 07 missing 3 key players for the munster championship game against Waterford.But nothing like now.At least we had a core of battle hardened expierenced players still in the team.
    This has to be the most depeleted Cork squad on hurling in recent times with injuries.

    If its an open game, Tom Kenny at midfield would suit Clare, lads like Kelly, Galvin and Morey would have him for pace.

    Is McDonnell the fella that played Full Back in the past, Steven?
    He would bring a lot of speed, remember him marking Mullane and having the burst of pace to get out in front.


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  • #2827
    Thinkstoomuch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Thinkstoomuch


    Hidalgo wrote: »
    If its an open game, Tom Kenny at midfield would suit Clare, lads like Kelly, Galvin and Morey would have him for pace.

    Is McDonnell the fella that played Full Back in the past, Steven?
    He would bring a lot of speed, remember him marking Mullane and having the burst of pace to get out in front.[/quote
    yeah that is him.He is full of pace.A fine corner back or could be ideal at midfield in the clare game.He is strong on the ball and is not short of hurling.
    A good man marker but no where near a full back.The management team treated him terribly last year.
    He would be ideal as a defensive midfielder in the sense he could pick Kelly up when he roams out.

    He has played their for club and minor for Cork.He would be much better than Kenny as a stop gap for next week.He is physically strong also ,which is welcomed.
    It would be a nice balance in the middle with Kearney.I'd say JBM will go with kenny.
    And Stephen White is almost certain to start at wing back now.Having one of Kenny and White was bad,but now having both starting,we could be seriously over run.
    This is going to put huge pressure on Egan and Joyce at half back and could make them look worse than they actually are.


  • #2828
    Thinkstoomuch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Thinkstoomuch


    Cork team to play Clare on Sunday

    1 Ken O Halloran Bishopstown
    2. Eoin Cadogan Douglas
    3.Michael Shields St Finbarrs
    4.Damien Cahalane St finbarrs
    5.James Loughrey Mallow
    6.Ghraham Canty Bantry
    7.Tom Clancy Fermoy
    8.Alan O Connor St .Colums
    9.Pearse O Neill Agahda
    10.John O Rourke Carbery Rangers
    11.Pa Kelly Ballincollig
    12.Ciaran Sheehan Eire Og
    13.Daniel Goulding Eire Og
    14.Brian Hurley Castlehaven
    15.Pa Kerrigan Nemo Rangers

    Subs
    16.Alan Quirke
    17.John Mcloughlin
    18.Noel O Leary
    19.Paudie Kissane
    20.Tom Clancy Clonakity
    21.Andrew O Sullivan
    22.Aidan Walsh
    23.Donnacha O Connor
    24.Fintan Gould
    25.Mark Collins
    26.Barry O Driscoll


  • #2829
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,293 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I would love to see fast ball go into that full forward line !


  • #2830
    Thinkstoomuch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Thinkstoomuch


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    I would love to see fast ball go into that full forward line ]
    We all would,that is why O Neill and O Connor shoudnt start together in midfield.
    Its probably a dummy team bar the forwards.Walsh will surely come back and Canty hopefully will partner him!!!


  • #2831
    Thinkstoomuch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Thinkstoomuch


    On the paper today,the Cork team that won the Munster hurling title in 2006 were never presented with their Munster Medals.It was up to the Cork County board to organise and they never did.
    Same old story.Doesn't suprise me in the slightest,just as why Cork Hurling is in a crisis at the moment and their is not even a blink of an eye about it.
    All concern is about the new stadium though.


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  • #2832
    Deco99
    Registered Users Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Deco99


    1. Cahalane is not a corner back.
    2. Canty is too slow on ball Centre back.
    3. These games are waste of time.
    4. If Cork beat Kerry but learn no lessons, it will be a short summer.
    5. If Cork lose to Kerry but realise the few obvious errors and maybe some not so obvious, it could be a long hot summer.
    6. I hate those "animals" too much to ever actually want to lose to them, therefore close win followed by surgeons scalpel here and there. I am ignoring this weekends game as its worse than a training session.


  • #2833
    Thinkstoomuch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Thinkstoomuch


    Deco99 wrote: »
    1. Cahalane is not a corner back.
    2. Canty is too slow on ball Centre back.
    3. These games are waste of time.
    4. If Cork beat Kerry but learn no lessons, it will be a short summer.
    5. If Cork lose to Kerry but realise the few obvious errors and maybe some not so obvious, it could be a long hot summer.
    6. I hate those "animals" too much to ever actually want to lose to them, therefore close win followed by surgeons scalpel here and there. I am ignoring this weekends game as its worse than a training session.
    Id agree with Points 1,2,and 4.
    I would not go so far as saying the game is a complete waste of time yet.
    If it was in Cork or Limerick ,then a whitewash would be expected.
    The fact it is in Ennis is good news for us.

    No Cork team has ever at any grade been comfortable in Ennis down the years.
    The U21 team lost an aireland to Mayo in 06 there with a few players like Cadogan,Shields,and Gould involved.

    In 2011 we lost an U21 semifinal to Galway here.Cahalane,O Rourke,Hurley,Walsh,Clancy,and Collins and O driscoll were involved.
    In 97 clare beat us in Ennis in the Senior.

    The ptich is so small and confined with a good home crowd can make it a hostile atmosphere at times.Such is that reason ,that CC brought Cork to Ennis last weekend to train.A lot of these guys have not the best memories down there.

    I have seen in Hurling with Clare many a time,where the crowd in Ennis has spurred them on to unexpected victories.
    This is good for Cork,mainly the younger players.Take them outside their comfort zone.I do not in any way expect Cork to loose,but id say if Clare put in a perferomance which I hope they do,Cork will have to grind a win out.
    Ideal prepartion for Killarney.
    It is meant to be very windy and heavy rain is due,and in a place like Clare they will be well exposed to the elements.

    It will be better than training down the Pairc in that regard.Added to the fact Micko,will have Clare beliving in themselves and he knows Cork inside out,they could test Cork.
    I agree a 20 point hammering of Clare is no good to us.I dont think we will hammer them.

    Cahalane's best position is half back.But with Jamie Sul out still he is the best option.Id rather see Cahalane out of position than John Mcloghlin or Kissane start corner back.

    Kissane will probably start corner back instead of Cadogan though.Cadogan might not be recovered from hes injury yet.Id prefer Noel O Leary.
    I wouldnt be suprised to see Canty at midfield.I agree he is not able for CB now.As a holding midfielder with Walsh he could be fine.He's role would be to defend.And as soon as he gets it,lay it off to someone who can kick the ball long as he cant do that.
    He is still the heartbeat of this team in other aeras,so they will start him.

    He is ideal if we have a lead,and you want to slow the game though.
    Alan O Connor and Pearse O Neill are too ponderous on the ball.
    They know only one route,run straight and through the centre.Old habits die hard.They have been good servants for Cork but know how to only play one type of game.

    As impact subs,they have a role,but gone are the days where they can hope to play a Jamie Roberts role,barge through a walls of bodies and find a way through.It is vital if Cork are to win,Counihan takes a back seat role in terms of tactics.

    Cork have to win in Killarney.They have not won since 1995,and if we cant beat Kerry in Killarney their is a slim chance we will beat them if meet them in Croke Park.


  • #2834
    zetecescort
    Registered Users Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Juliet Murphy has announced her retirement from club and county. One of the best footballers I've seen wear the red, male or female


  • #2835
    mr bungle.
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭mr bungle.


    zetecescort wrote: »
    Juliet Murphy has announced her retirement from club and county. One of the best footballers I've seen wear the red, male or female

    +1 Good luck to her


  • #2836
    Thinkstoomuch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Thinkstoomuch


    zetecescort wrote: »
    Juliet Murphy has announced her retirement from club and county. One of the best footballers I've seen wear the red, male or female
    Absoultely.
    Her progamme on Laochra Gael earlier this year was brillant,and such that very few,only 2 other women I believe featured on it down the years,really showed what a brillant player she was on and off the field and how highley she was thought of even by those outside of Cork.


  • #2837
    spacetrap
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭spacetrap


    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    Id agree with Points 1,2,and 4.
    I would not go so far as saying the game is a complete waste of time yet.
    If it was in Cork or Limerick ,then a whitewash would be expected.
    The fact it is in Ennis is good news for us.

    No Cork team has ever at any grade been comfortable in Ennis down the years.
    The U21 team lost an aireland to Mayo in 06 there with a few players like Cadogan,Shields,and Gould involved.

    In 2011 we lost an U21 semifinal to Galway here.Cahalane,O Rourke,Hurley,Walsh,Clancy,and Collins and O driscoll were involved.
    In 97 clare beat us in Ennis in the Senior.

    The ptich is so small and confined with a good home crowd can make it a hostile atmosphere at times.Such is that reason ,that CC brought Cork to Ennis last weekend to train.A lot of these guys have not the best memories down there.'


    Cusack Park is one of the biggest pitches in Ireland with measurements of 145m by 90 m. It is bigger than both paircs in Cork which are 144m by 88m this myth goes back to when Ger Loughnane narrowed the pitch in the nineties to prepare the team for Croke Park which is smaller than Cusack Park. cusack Park is the same size as Semple Stadium.


  • #2838
    Thinkstoomuch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Thinkstoomuch


    In terms of being hostile and ptich being small and close to the crowd,it is worlds apart from the Pairc.That was my original point.I was making reference in to the atmsophere.It can be a hostile place at times if the atmosphere is right .
    Put 5 thousands in to the pairc and you would barely notice the noise its so big and open.Put the same numbers in Ennis and there is a big difference.

    You can hear every cough in the crowd
    Their is huge differences than playing in Ennis than down the Pairc,and Killarney,and the Thurles and the Gaelic Grounds where this team has played most of its games in Munster.
    And this has been shown by many a Cork team in all grades even in Hurling that has struggled in Ennis down the years.


  • #2839
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,293 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    zetecescort wrote: »
    Juliet Murphy has announced her retirement from club and county. One of the best footballers I've seen wear the red, male or female

    She is without doubt one of the great Cork sports people - a truly magnificent player.


  • #2840
    rebel girl 15
    Registered Users, Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    Juliet's retirement is something that I've known about for quite a while, but was hoping that her decision could be reversed to go for one more season. An unbelievable player, who dragged Cork teams back from the brink a number of times. It is most certainly an end of an era to see her retire from both club and county football. A true inspiraton, and an absolute lady as well.


  • #2841
    Thinkstoomuch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Thinkstoomuch


    JBM confirmed Lorchan Mcloughlin is definetly out for next week.
    He will be out for the next 3 weeks.


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  • #2842
    zetecescort
    Registered Users Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Munster Junior Football Semi-Final

    Cork 0-18 Clare 0-9

    Cork will play Waterford in the Munster Final on July 11th, at a Waterford venue to be confirmed.


    U-21 Ladies football team also won the Ashling Mc Ging cup today


  • #2843
    Jamie Cal
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Jamie Cal


    Worried about the hurling next week. No disrespect to Clare, and this'll add to the whole 'smug Cork-man' bit, but we should be walking all over them, especially with that man in charge of 'em.

    But being beat by them twice this year, and Pa Cronin out I fear the worst. I was out at the game in Limerick with my Dad and brother and my god, never seen such a gutless Cork team in all my years, Pa Cronin excluded.

    I remember after Pa killing himself for the 70 minutes, and a bit of extra time they moved into full forward (where, imo, he could be at his best, but anyway) because he was wrecked, yet 5 minutes into the 2nd half of injury time there was a Clare fella soloing out to midfield from the backline, and who's chasing him? Pa f-cking Cronin.

    Obviously we've had some sickening defeats over the years, but I've never been so down watching Cork, seeing a load of fellas that think they deserve to be there, and excuse the naivety, but had no love for the jersey.


  • #2844
    Fireball07
    Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Jamie Cal wrote: »
    Worried about the hurling next week. No disrespect to Clare, and this'll add to the whole 'smug Cork-man' bit, but we should be walking all over them, especially with that man in charge of 'em.

    But being beat by them twice this year, and Pa Cronin out I fear the worst. I was out at the game in Limerick with my Dad and brother and my god, never seen such a gutless Cork team in all my years, Pa Cronin excluded.

    I remember after Pa killing himself for the 70 minutes, and a bit of extra time they moved into full forward (where, imo, he could be at his best, but anyway) because he was wrecked, yet 5 minutes into the 2nd half of injury time there was a Clare fella soloing out to midfield from the backline, and who's chasing him? Pa f-cking Cronin.

    Obviously we've had some sickening defeats over the years, but I've never been so down watching Cork, seeing a load of fellas that think they deserve to be there, and excuse the naivety, but had no love for the jersey.


    I don't see why you would, Clare look to be a much better team than Cork. If Cork win, it'll be a shock, especially with all the injuries, they'll be doing very well.


    And people might hate Davy Fitz, but he's got a talented group of players. I'd be shocked if Cork win.


  • #2845
    ShamoBuc
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    Fireball07 wrote: »
    I don't see why you would, Clare look to be a much better team than Cork. If Cork win, it'll be a shock, especially with all the injuries, they'll be doing very well.


    And people might hate Davy Fitz, but he's got a talented group of players. I'd be shocked if Cork win.

    Me too. I'll have a bet on Cork ht and Clare ft


  • #2846
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,293 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    FT 1-20 v 1-11. Job done.


  • #2847
    Hidalgo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭Hidalgo


    Jamie Cal wrote: »
    Worried about the hurling next week. No disrespect to Clare, and this'll add to the whole 'smug Cork-man' bit, but we should be walking all over them, especially with that bollocks of a man in charge of 'em.

    But being beat by them twice this year, and Pa Cronin out I fear the worst. I was out at the game in Limerick with my Dad and brother and my god, never seen such a gutless Cork team in all my years, Pa Cronin excluded.

    I remember after Pa killing himself for the 70 minutes, and a bit of extra time they moved into full forward (where, imo, he could be at his best, but anyway) because he was wrecked, yet 5 minutes into the 2nd half of injury time there was a Clare fella soloing out to midfield from the backline, and who's chasing him? Pa f-cking Cronin.

    Obviously we've had some sickening defeats over the years, but I've never been so down watching Cork, seeing a load of fellas that think they deserve to be there, and excuse the naivety, but had no love for the jersey.


    Care to elaborate.


  • #2848
    rebel girl 15
    Registered Users, Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    Congrats to the U21 ladies team, was changed from a junior competition to an u21 competition this year to try and stop Cork's domination, but turns out it backfired!

    Superb character, went a point down with five to go, and came back to win by 2.


  • #2849
    lala88
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭lala88


    rebel girl 15 shows how bias she is once more...


  • #2850
    rebel girl 15
    Registered Users, Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    Ah see lala, this is where your lack of ladies football knowledge shines in taking that pop at me - Cork won 4 out of the last 6 Aisling McGing, lost 1, and missed out reaching last years final by a point in the semi final v winners Dublin, and it is widely said around Cork and within other counties that because the Cork A side being so strong, the second side was extremely strong as well, so wanted to change it to U21 competition to negate that fact; changes that were also changed to the underage competitions to stop Cork/Kerry dominance. In fact, Galway who they beat, had widely canvassed for this U21 competition! 6 competing counties last year as opposed to over double that number this year shows the change that was supposed to stop Cork's domination of the ladies game!

    See, there is absolutely no bias when talking about fact, and if you were involved with the politics of the ladies game, you would know :D:D:D

    Listened to the footballers game, not sure again of them. Backs had a torried enough time, nice to see Goulding back and in good form. What was the issue with Sheehan that he did not start?? And D O Connor?


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  • #2851
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,293 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Great to see changes being brought in to try and stop Cork's dominance...and failing!!

    Long may it continue!!


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