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Crohn's Disease

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭Handrick


    Hey all,

    hope you all had a good Halloween..

    just thought I would update you with regard my situation.

    I am now completely off medication due to the Specific Carbohydrate Diet I have been on for the past 2 months or so... I did have a little flare up due to getting a cold which everyone seemed to get..but it did not last long...

    I am not saying I am completely healed by any means but I am definitely on the way and my life is very much getting back to normal..

    Of course doctors will just tell me its in remission but I know my body better than they do... and the fact that they wanted to keep me on Pentasa for 2-3 years says it all...

    best of luck to you all whichever route you take but I would say check out the alternatives to medication..

    take care
    Andrew


  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭bluebell1


    Hi I was diagnoised with colitis in April of this year, i then developed a rare complicaiton in July called pyoderma gangrenosum..... i would love to hear from anyone else who suffers from this because at the moment i feel like a bit of a freak show.... my consultant has only seen it twice in the past 10 yrs.thanks.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    bluebell1 wrote: »
    Hi I was diagnoised with colitis in April of this year, i then developed a rare complicaiton in July called pyoderma gangrenosum..... i would love to hear from anyone else who suffers from this because at the moment i feel like a bit of a freak show.... my consultant has only seen it twice in the past 10 yrs.thanks.

    Thats tough- it is nasty. It does occur not infrequently in Crohn's disease but is very uncommon in Ulcerative Colitis. I had this happen about a year after I first had surgery for Crohns Disease. It was very painful, but eventually passed, it did however result in a lot of scarring tissue in my large intestine which led to further surgery again. Apparently its relatively unusual, and the necrosis normally happens externally rather than internally, most often on the legs.

    I know it hurts like hell- hopefully your doctor has prescribed suitable pain meds.

    S.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Tanya4321


    Hi Everyone, I hope it is okay that I am joining your conversation. I think this is a really good forum and I have appreciated what you all have been sharing. I really was in particular touched by what Smaccarrick's wrote:
    "Crohn's sufferers do tend to be misdiagnosed for a lot longer than other patients, given the wrong treatments even when correctly diagnosed, have trouble with work and social commitments, generally get put through the mill and have to fend for ourselves a lot more than most. " I work for a communications firm, and our client is involved in Crohn's research and awareness. I've been trying to pass along to them what I feel Crohn's patients want most and what they need. So I have been reading the forums and attempting to gain perspective. But I really feel your opinions are more valid than mine. Is there anything you would want me to share with them?
    Best Regards,
    Tanya


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Hi Tanya- more than welcome to join in!

    With Crohn's disease, you can appear to be just like any other normal person between flareups- and it can be very difficult for people to accept that you function perfectly adequately one day and be totally incapacitated the next.
    Work can be very problematic- I always insist on having a desk closeby to the toilets, and even then do occasionally have accidents. When I first joined my current job and shortly afterwards suffered a relapse- I used my entire 22 days annual leave to cover that I was in hospital having surgery- as I was afraid I'd be fired as unfit for being ill.

    Food can be interesting- you can be perfectly capable of eating something one day- and the next day the exact same food might cause inflamation and a blockage. Its very difficult trying to explain this if you're out for a meal with friends or clients- often you eat it anyway, knowing full well that you're going to regret it later.

    If you're suffering from internal bleeding- along with the pain, you are a lot weaker than you would normally be. Simply standing at someone's desk, standing up at a concert, or driving a car- can be scarey. Normally you know a few seconds beforehand if you're going to collapse- but sometimes it can happen without much warning. You're reflex actions can be a lot slower- making driving dangerous- and even wearing a safety belt over your abdomen when in a lot of pain can be almost impossible.

    Going to events, or travelling abroad- you can often be stopped because of the quantities of medication you have in your possession. Some badly trained private security staff can be very demeaning publicly going through your bag, and confiscating bottled water. Letters from doctors mean very little to some security staff.

    In my own case- schooling suffered as I was unable to pay a lot of attention in class, and by the time I got home every evening I had to go to bed (at 4PM) for a few hours, before dragging myself to supper at 7PM and then back to sleep again. I could never get enough rest, I was constantly exhausted. Drinking milk was often as much as I could get down, and then mostly because it was a fluid more than anything else. After flareups calmed down- inevitably you would be seriously hungry- and would eat bizarre amounts of food- as a teenager my weight fluctuated between 5 1/2 and 12 stone. You would be emaciated one month and a couple of months later look like a panda- before you inevitably got sick again and might be unable to eat anything at all for weeks on end.

    Thats just a small taste of what its like :(

    I can't speak for what Crohn's patients in general would like- only for myself. Its difficult for people to understand how Crohn's can ruin your life- most people cannot imagine keeping spare underwear in their drawer in work and the terror and embarassment of someone, maybe your boss, wanting to ask you a question about something- and you know that need to run to the bathroom- immediately. People do not understand.

    I hope I haven't been too graphic- there is far more in what I haven't said at all, than in the very small window I've given.

    S.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Tanya4321


    Thank you very much for all of your wonderful insight. I am trying to learn as much as I can about Crohn's Disease and I really appreciate everyone's oppenness and willingness to share their stories and their opinions.
    >Tanya


  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭funsize


    Tanya4321 wrote: »
    I've been trying to pass along to them what I feel Crohn's patients want most and what they need.

    Hi Tanya,

    Of course I can only speak for myself, but what I believe Crohn's patients want is:

    - Faster diagnosis. I personally suffered for two years before being diagnosed with Crohn's, and I hear a lot of similar stories. My brother had his appendix removed unnecessarily, even though he told the doctors that there was Crohn's in the family, they still took another year to diagnose him.

    - Better informed GPs. Most GPs I've been to either openly admit they know nothing about Crohn's or give bad advice. They also confuse Crohn's with Irritable Bowel Syndrome and Colitis. Similar symptoms, but different conditions. Thankfully, there are a few very good Crohn's specialists in Ireland, otherwise we'd be in a lot of trouble.

    - More information. It's hard to believe, but there isn't much real information on Crohn's (in laymans terms) on the web. I also find it hard to get any real advice from health care professionals. For example, I have been a Crohn's patient for 20 years and only recently learned that NSAIDs can worsen the condition.

    - Long Term Illness. Crohn's is a life-long condition, often necessitating expensive treatments. It has already been discussed in this thread, but is worth mentioning again - Crohn's should be listed on the long term illness scheme.

    - Understanding. As Shane said earlier, it is hard to explain to family, friends, work/school how you can be perfectly normal one week, and incapacitated the next. I often hear comments like "no wonder you're sick - you were on the beer last week, no sympathy from me" and "why are you eating chips, I thought you weren't well?" or my favourite "how come you're so fat? You were a skinny little thing a few months ago".
    Fortunately for me, I work for a very understanding company and can work from home on days when I am feeling unwell, and don't have to use up my annual leave in hospitals and waiting rooms.
    How can this understanding be created, though? Would an awareness campaign help? Or a booklet designed for family members to help them understand?

    - Cure. Ultimately, of course, we want a cure, or a guaranteed preventative measure that does not have nasty side effects. I try to stay informed about research into potential cures, but I'm not from a scientific background so find a lot of it hard to follow, so I don't have a realistic view of how likely a cure is in our lifetimes. I think this feeds back to my point above about more information.

    Best of luck to you and your client with the Crohn's research and awareness. Please ask any questions if you want more detail on anything I've said.

    FS


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Delver


    Hi everyone,
    I'm glad I found this thread, its great being able to read about what so many of you have been through, and know that there's other people out there with the same problems as me!
    I live in wexford, and so far I've only ever met one other person who i knew had crohns disease, so I havent realy been able to talk to anyone who can understand waht I've been through.

    Sorry about my story, its kinda disgusting in a way, so be warned! :p
    I was diagnosed about 3 years ago at the age of 21, luckily it was a fairly quick diagnosis. I had terrible stomach cramps and bloody stools, etc, the usual stuff. So i was given a course of steroids and then put on pentasa. This worked for about 2 years, with mild relapses, but nothing serious. But then i had a terrible relapse about a year ago. I got through it ok, heavy steroid usage and so on, but i thought i'd be fine. But then i started to develop a pain in my backside. For about 2 weeks I thought it was bone pain or a pulled muscle or something, but when i went to my GP he had me sent straight into hospital. Turns out I developed a large abscess in my back passage due to my crohns. It was one of the worst things i'd ever been through. I couldnt sit down at all, barely walk, and i had to keep getting it drained. Eventually it broke through from my back passage to the surface of my backside and became a fistula. Nothing the doctors could do would get it to heal. This led to other abscesses tracking off the main one, i currently have 4 fistulas around my back passge. They all excrete liquid as well so i've to constantly wear wound pads, which is a terrible nuisance. I've had 5 surgeries to try to heal them. I've been bed ridden for the last year, not able to walk or go outside or anyhting. Its been a tough time to say the least. Going to the bathroom in particular was excrutiating somtimes, almost passing out from the pain! Then during the last year, to top it all off, i got a complete stricture in my terminal ileum, so i had to get the surgery to have that removed, so that was another less than ideal time for me!
    Luckily enough its all quietened down for the time being. The fistulas are not sore any more, so i can finally go out and about again! Also i was referred to Dr. O Donoghue in Vincents about 2 weeks ago so he's just started me on Imuran to see if that helps the fistulas heal! I know it sounds terrible, but i'd take the stomach pains over the fistulas any day, thats how painful they were!
    Hopefully i can get my life back on track now, its about time i got a break!
    Thanks for listeneing, sorry about the length of my post, its been good reading about others out there who understand some of what I've been through.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 jazzieb


    Having one of those "where have you been all my life" moments? I was reading the Katy French thread and someone mentioned this board .. I was diagnosed at 21 and had 15 ****ty years - literally - before I finally had an emergency ileostomy/ total coloectomy 2 years ago .. Have never been better .. no sign of Crohn's at all any more.

    I've been to a few ISCC meetings over the years but would love to know if there's an ileostomy support group .. there's a very active one in the UK. Anyone else here got a bag? I was so excited to see a Crohn's thread at the top, I never even looked for an ileostomy thread .. sorry :o

    Jazzie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    at least some good came out of it :) welcome, jazzie, hope to see more of ya here.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 jazzieb


    Thanks TBH .. to be honest when I saw your sig first, I thought it was some kind of joke :o It wasn't until I saw the chatter about traffic on the board that the penny dropped. Can't believe I never thought of searching for Crohn's on boards before - doh!

    Jazzie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 suzieoc


    Hi everyone, I have crohns (4+ yrs now) and have been on infliximab (aka Remicade) for the last 2yrs (after small bowel resection surgery). I get 600mg every 7-8 weeks and it's working great (its a long story but i tried & reacted to everything else (pentasa,imuran ++). I'm in the USA though (for over 10 yrs) and now want to return to Ireland. So my questions are:

    1) Does anyone here get this infusion more often than every 3 to 6 months? Over here the doctors are worried that your body can reject it if its not given regularly (ie not more than 8 weeks)...
    2) If i'm not on VHI how do i pay for it (they have a 5 YR pre-existing condition wait). Is this covered by the drug payment scheme or some other public health service? The bills over here are huge (something like $8,000 /dose) but that is covered by my insurance here.

    Any help is greatly appreciated!!
    Thanks!!
    - suzieoc
    PS: I also posted on the ...Medicine/Crohns before i found this one (which has more recent posts) so sorry if your reading this post twice!!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Hi Suzieoc- saw your post over on irishhealth.com re availability on dps, decided to reply here instead.

    Remicade was upgraded to a second-line Crohn's therapy by the EU in December 2006- following the positive opinion published by the European Medicines Agency (EMEA) in July '06. It is now widely available in most EU countries- but would normally only be dispensed for use as a second-line therapy for the treatment of severe, active Crohn’s disease in patients who have not responded despite a full and adequate course of therapy with a corticosteroid and/or an immunosuppressant, or who are intolerant to or have medical contraindications for such therapies. This followed the large French led GETAID (Groupe d’Etude Therapeutique des Affections Inflammatoires du Tube Digestif) studies.

    It is normally only prescribed for Crohn's suffers by their gastroenterologist consultant, when he is satisfied that all other reasonable medications are unlikely to succeed.

    I am personally aware of two Crohn's suffers here who are prescribed remicade as outpatient drips on the dps (I do not know what frequency they are on though- but I could ask).

    It was briefly removed from the approved list (as were imuran, enteric coated prednisolone, codeine and lots of other very useful medications) for a 3 month period in the summer of 2007- as part of a government re-examination of the dps scheme, before being reintroduced after pressure from the ISCC and other organisations.

    If you google Boards.ie and remicade- you will find a couple of people who are on it here at the moment (for conditions other than Crohn's though).

    Best of good luck,

    Shane


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 suzieoc


    Thanks so much Shane! That's great information!! I will do some research on the drug payment scheme and make sure i can sign up for it once we move back (or before even). Having that huge bill covered will be a huge relief!

    When I was on a lighter dosage of remicade i used to get worse crohns symtoms (incl. 'migratory arthritis') after the 5th or 6th week but since a the higher dosage @ 8 weeks life has been great ...

    Let me know if you find out if the crohns sufferers you know get the out-patient drip/IV done every 8 weeks ?? I'd like to get more info on the risk of going longer without it and the chance or rejection... 'cos if that happens i'm out of options... which would be scary!!!

    Thanks again.
    - suzieoc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 488 ✭✭watsgone


    Hi,

    I am currently on the inflixamab excuse the spelling.

    I find it great, I am very tired after it though, I was on an other treatment along with it for a while though I am good enuogh to come off.
    I am hoping a few months more and I can stop the treatment fully.

    Hope this helps


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ahoney


    Hi, have been recently going to physio for back, its settling but ive pain in hip and thigh which doesnt seem to be referred from back. I was wondering if anyone can tell me if this could be linked with my Ulcerative Colitis? Thanks


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    ahoney wrote: »
    Hi, have been recently going to physio for back, its settling but ive pain in hip and thigh which doesnt seem to be referred from back. I was wondering if anyone can tell me if this could be linked with my Ulcerative Colitis? Thanks

    It could be that you are not absorbing some vitamins/minerals that are beneficial for muscles/bones- but it would be a stretch to suggest that your UC is to blame. Crohn's differs from UC in this regard- as it is systemic, and does have known progressions which include arthritis- but this would be more unusual in UC. There are a few steps you can take- including very specific exercise regimes- along with a modified diet to try to increase beneficial oils/minerals/vitamins- but if you are incapable of absorbing them, a consultant may prescribe alternate therapy.

    I would not automatically assume the UC is an underlying cause- I would explore the sypthoms in their own right.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭Fajitas!


    Leg pains can be a very early symtom of UC.

    I've been pretty much in control of it all now, and back on a normal diet, just not going near peppers, espec. chilli, and coffee can really get me. Stress is my main factor though, as it is with most people.

    It seems the Pentasa foam has finally been brought into Ireland, under the 85 quid a week scheme, which is great, but I won't be needing it unless I've a serious relapse. If any of you are running into problems, I'd recommend you ask your Doc about it. Mine puts it very highly...


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭Fajitas!


    ahoney wrote: »
    , if anyone has any advice of any sort dietary, meds or general I'd really appreciate it
    Thanks ahoney:)

    When I was diagnosed, I was put on a meat, fish, rice and pasta diet for a few months. Within a week most symtoms had stopped.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Its not a cure. A large part of Crohn's is bacterial influence and your immune systems reaction to that influence. When you change your diet, the bacterial population in your GI can change, which in turn may change/modulate the immune response in the gut. Its a very, very short term measure though.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭Fajitas!


    Er... The diet change, or Pentasa foam?

    I wasn't saying either of the above is a cure, moreso a way of bringing UC into remission.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Diet. It doesn't bring about remission for CD or UC per se either.

    I didn't read all the way up, apologies for lack of clarity.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Guys- UC and Crohn's are in actual fact two different conditions. If you want to discuss UC and dietary means of bringing it into remission (or indeed people's experiences on how to deal with it) I would rather that a seperate thread be opened and the discussion continued there.

    While UC and Crohn's do tend to start in roughly the same areas (terminal ileum versus large intestine) and initially can have similar symptoms sometimes, you do have to keep in mind that Crohn's can occur literally anywhere in the gastro-intestinal tract, both internal and external, while UC is limited to the large intestine. As such UC is considered to be a curable condition (admittedly by surgical techniques), Crohn's on the other hand is not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    smccarrick wrote: »
    Guys- UC and Crohn's are in actual fact two different conditions. If you want to discuss UC and dietary means of bringing it into remission (or indeed people's experiences on how to deal with it) I would rather that a seperate thread be opened and the discussion continued there.

    While UC and Crohn's do tend to start in roughly the same areas (terminal ileum versus large intestine) and initially can have similar symptoms sometimes, you do have to keep in mind that Crohn's can occur literally anywhere in the gastro-intestinal tract, both internal and external, while UC is limited to the large intestine. As such UC is considered to be a curable condition (admittedly by surgical techniques), Crohn's on the other hand is not.

    Erm... where did I suggest otherwise?

    You left out that CD is transmural, which makes it much more distinct than the mucosal UC. As for CD, it's likely actually several distinct conditions that we've classified as one. We originally called it regional ileitis, but that was changed when it was described in other parts of the GI tract.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    True.

    What I had in mind though- was there have been a number of people referring to specific diets that they thought helpful (though some of them have been polar opposites of each other- such as the low fibre versus high fibre diets) which seem to be more a factor in UC than Crohn's. Perhaps it might be worthwhile to debate people's thoughts on this and other ideas?

    S.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    smccarrick wrote: »
    True.

    What I had in mind though- was there have been a number of people referring to specific diets that they thought helpful (though some of them have been polar opposites of each other- such as the low fibre versus high fibre diets) which seem to be more a factor in UC than Crohn's. Perhaps it might be worthwhile to debate people's thoughts on this and other ideas?

    S.
    Well I wouldn't suggest diets as anything other than disease management. As Is aid, it *both* conditions, any effect is most likely due to abrupt and significant diet change altering the GI flora. This is why it is less/more effective for some people (depending on their previous diets).

    We often suggest diet changes based on what a person already eats, but messing around with your diet, if it is already balanced, is dangerous stuff.

    For the record, I work in an IBD center.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Featherl


    My mam has Crohns and is always very sick with it. Had it since teenager. In hospital regulary and has had several operations


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭nerdysal


    I have crohns disease and I was just wondering if there is any other sufferers out there (or anyone for that matter!) who has any suggestions for recipes or even just really good protein rich foods? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭Aquitaine


    Well there is no particular diet you should follow although you might find certain foods tend to irrate it. keep an eye on alcohol and milk intake. everthing else in moderation such as sweet and spicy foods - again you might find that some of these things spark a bout of pain, if so cut out of your diet. and no smoking!


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    I'm going to move this to Long Term Illness. I think you'll get better advice there.


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