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The Chinese are Quick Learners (2013)

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  • #32
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Yes, they are overpriced, underspecc'd junk, and every 2nd idiot thinks they are great. Plus I was very nearly killed in one of them because they have such a feather light clutch. You couldn't ask for a worse car imo.

    Tbh I think Toyota aren't that bad on price if buying new..it's more in the second hand market that they are expensive as they are quiet popular with Irish buyers. You are right about them being poorly specced but tbh most people buy them for their reliabilty and couldn't care less about what spec they are. Id say most Toyota owners would look at you in bewilderment if you asked them had they a Terra, Strata or Luna spec :pac:


  • #33
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Can't see money being pumped into these projects making up for lost ground. This has happened to many previous manufacturers in the past. It's only now that people are learning how crap from abroad is just that.

    Americans are already talking about a fightback. Bringing manufacturing back to the US and making policy more manufactturing friendly.

    We shouldn't be admiring these cars. It's European jobs down the tubes.


  • #34
    Saab Ed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    squod wrote: »

    Americans are already talking about a fightback. Bringing manufacturing back to the US and making policy more manufactturing friendly..

    Jeybus, American stuff is nearly worse than the stuff from China. Junk. Can't imagine anyone except U.S. politicians looking for a good soundbite are saying that !


  • #35
    monkeypants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭monkeypants


    TrailerBob wrote: »
    Blame the Irish VRT system, not Toyota, who, despite a few high profile recalls, have consistently put out reliable and safe motoring, if a bit bland.
    This is what drives the "Paddy spec" cars. Put too many extras on the car that you were planning to market in the €30k space and the Irish government will push it towards the €40k space, where it might not sell.


  • #36
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Saab Ed wrote: »
    Jeybus, American stuff is nearly worse than the stuff from China. Junk. Can't imagine anyone except U.S. politicians looking for a good soundbite are saying that !

    But shure fords, VW/oowdis, hyundai have one world platforms. They can make them anywhere. Global market, global platforms, global manufacturing systems. They can go anywhere.

    Time to ditch the past. Out sourcing is so last year. T'morrow is about proper management. Not some idiots dream of making cheap sh1te in China.


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  • #37
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,757 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Saab Ed wrote: »
    Jeybus, American stuff is nearly worse than the stuff from China. Junk. Can't imagine anyone except U.S. politicians looking for a good soundbite are saying that !

    ....even if it was - and I don't agree btw - at least they're not using one-stop-short-of-indentured/servitude-labour.

    Or should that read 'labor' ? :p

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  • #38
    Gurgle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    Id say most Toyota owners would look at you in bewilderment if you asked them had they a Terra, Strata or Luna spec :pac:
    That's not bewilderment, its apathy.


  • #39
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I wouldn't drive Chinese rubbish if you paid me!


  • #40
    Saab Ed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    More from the Qoros people, this time with a tourer and a cross over/ suv thingy.

    http://www.worldcarfans.com/113021553862/qoros-3-sedan-cross-hybrid-concept-and-estate-concept

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  • #41
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,745 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Looks like they are cloning the likes of Kia / Hyundai

    Yuk :D

    But plenty of people seem to buy that sh1te from Korea these days, those same people will be buying Chinese sh1te in 10 years time...


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  • #42
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    galwaytt wrote: »

    ....even if it was - and I don't agree btw - at least they're not using one-stop-short-of-indentured/servitude-labour.

    Or should that read 'labor' ? :p
    What are you talking about. i know people who work in a car building plant in china and they are on good money reletivly speaking. wages in china are on the up at the moment. the reason alot of foreign companies are relocating to india.


  • #43
    Voodoomelon
    Registered Users Posts: 9,662 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    the_syco wrote: »
    Which is great for families that have kids; less chance of accidental chockage.

    Do all cars not have auto reverse these days? Was around 18 years ago!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl8oA7aE9s0


  • #44
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    unkel wrote: »
    Looks like they are cloning the likes of Kia / Hyundai

    Yuk :D

    But plenty of people seem to buy that sh1te from Korea these days, those same people will be buying Chinese sh1te in 10 years time...
    There's nothing sh1te about korean stuff these days tbh.


  • #45
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,745 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    There's nothing sh1te about korean stuff these days tbh.

    You'll probably enjoy owning a Qoros too in a few years time :p


  • #46
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    unkel wrote: »
    You'll probably enjoy owning a Qoros too in a few years time :p
    Why is that?


  • #47
    Saab Ed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    Why is that?

    Because despite the argument about Korean stuff being good these days (which it is, Infact it was always on par reliability wise with mainstream stuff) fact still remains that most of the cars are characterless milk sop. This stuff from China looks the very same which is probably the very reason it would sell.


  • #48
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    Saab Ed wrote: »
    Because despite the argument about Korean stuff being good these days (which it is, Infact it was always on par reliability wise with mainstream stuff) fact still remains that most of the cars are characterless milk sop. This stuff from China looks the very same which is probably the very reason it would sell.
    I agree, they are characterless but so were other very well built cars like Toyotas of the late 90's and so on.

    Apart from that though they are imo very good and are legues ahead of the bargain basement cars they made years ago. They are now on par with many better known brands in terms of quality and design and have surpassed some in reliability.

    Hyundai and Kias of today or infact any car cannot be compared to a chinese car we know nothing about. For all we know they could have brilliant build quality and decent reliability, and who knows! maybe behind the styling there might be a bit of character somewhere :p


  • #49
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,745 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    I agree, they are characterless but so were other very well built cars like Toyotas of the late 90's and so on.

    My point exactly. Toyotas started to do very well for the buyers completely and utterly dis-interested in cars in the 90's, Kias in the 00's, and no doubt Qoros in the 10's :D


  • #50
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    unkel wrote: »
    My point exactly. Toyotas started to do very well for the buyers completely and utterly dis-interested in cars in the 90's, Kias in the 00's, and no doubt Qoros in the 10's :D
    Ok fair point:p most people dis-interested in cars do buy cars like that, but im intested in cars and like Toyotas of the late 90's and so on. Not for their bland looks or characterless drive but for their sheer quality and mechanical simplicity. Each to their own I suppose:D


  • #51
    Viper_JB
    Registered Users Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Viper_JB


    I'd be interesting in hearing about the engine and safety ratings (non-Chinese safety ratings). Two areas they don't seem to be able to crack as of yet, I'd have a feeling though as cheap plastic interiors go this will probably win a prize.


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  • #52
    Saab Ed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    Viper_JB wrote: »
    I'd be interesting in hearing about the engine and safety ratings (non-Chinese safety ratings). Two areas they don't seem to be able to crack as of yet, I'd have a feeling though as cheap plastic interiors go this will probably win a prize.

    Back from the dead:D

    But now that you've asked ....


    http://www.carsafetyrules.com/qoros-3-review-china-produces-small-family-car-rivals-premium-brands-safety/0925/


  • #53
    mullingar
    Registered Users Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭mullingar


    Saab Ed wrote: »
    Back from the dead:D

    But now that you've asked ....


    http://www.carsafetyrules.com/qoros-3-review-china-produces-small-family-car-rivals-premium-brands-safety/0925/


    Wow, a high 5* rating.
    The car scored 95% for adult occupant, 87% for child protection and 77% for pedestrian protection - See more at: http://www.carsafetyrules.com/qoros-3-review-china-produces-small-family-car-rivals-premium-brands-safety/0925/#sthash.cqojf9Rh.dpuf


  • #54
    Poulgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Poulgorm


    A Chinese car (Qoros 3) has just been awarded 5 stars by Euro NCAP.

    This is the link:
    http://www.euroncap.com/results/qoros/3/528.aspx

    I assume someone here will take up the franchise, at some stage.

    Excerpt from another website:

    "The Qoros 3 just scored a five-star crash safety rating in the Euro NCAP test. Even more shockingly, the car achieved the highest overall performance of all vehicles assessed so far in 2013, making it one of the safest vehicles ever tested by the Europeans.

    It's hard to see this as anything other than a huge win for both Qoros, a new and upcoming automaker, as well as Chinese cars in general. Just a few years ago, their safety and quality ratings were considered laughable by Western standards. When Brilliance tried to export their B6 sedan in 2007, it scored only one star in a German test. Now we have a Chinese car that ranked among the best tested in Europe this year."


  • #55
    kasper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭kasper


    I wonder where they got the tyres from ?


  • #56
    mcgarrett
    Registered Users Posts: 376 ✭✭mcgarrett


    There's a motor stand at the ploughing called "Great Wall" never heard of them but they have a wagon very similar to the Navarro.


  • #57
    visual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭visual


    I wouldn't say the Chinese are quick learners more like poor imitators.
    But getting 5 stars is a first


  • #58
    Mahogany Gaspipe
    Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭Mahogany Gaspipe


    visual wrote: »
    I wouldn't say the Chinese are quick learners more like poor imitators.

    That's a pretty dim understanding of global manufacturing you have there; not to worry though you'll become informed in time.


  • #59
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    visual wrote: »
    I wouldn't say the Chinese are quick learners more like poor imitators.
    Tbh mate, they were/are but they're also already manufacturing everything we use. They've been creating crap quality stuff for bottom prices a long time but they have the know how to make really good products too.
    Slowly but surely I think we'll see more and more quality stuff coming out from there. Or one can at least hope.

    About Great Wall cars
    http://galwayindependent.com/20130717/motoring/irelands-first-chinese-car-brand-wraps-up-finance-deal-S21222.html


  • #60
    visual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭visual


    Mahogany Gaspipe wrote: »
    That's a pretty dim understanding of global manufacturing you have there; not to worry though you'll become informed in time.

    Any idiot can copy and in manufacturing that is all it iis.then cut every corner until its cheap and nasty and a profit can be made.

    But I doubt you would know anthing about quality or durability.

    And you can talk all you want about iphone made there all you want


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  • #61
    hfallada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,180 ✭✭✭hfallada


    But I imagine the finish on the inside is ****. Having visited china, corners are cut on everything. Even a luxury hotel uses cheap western copies.

    But cars are mainly sold on the image a brand convoys eg luxury. It will be very difficult to sell Chinese cars to the Europeans and not a hope selling these to the Americans.


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