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Social Democrats and Atheism

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    #92
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are Social Democrats (the political party containing Donnelly, Murphy and Shorthall) even involved in the right2*** stuff?

    I believe Catherine Murphy attended some of their meetings/forums, spoke at meetings and protests organised by them and "joined" them in 2014 http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/kildare-td-joins-right2water-campaign-652078.html (although I don't entirely trust TCM on that)
    but I don't see a submission from her in the right2change policy submissions docs http://www.right2water.ie/right2water-unions-want-your-input more recently


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    #93
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    robindch wrote: »
    Seems a worthwhile policy. It's a pity that their other policies involve spending an awful lot of other peoples' money though.

    And that's quite apart from their roundly irritating conflation of "water is a right" (from the UN's Resolution 64/292) with "free water is a right".

    Isn't that the basis of most democracies?

    I think they would roundly irritated by your suggestion they want free water


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    #94
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    expectationlost wrote: »
    I think they would roundly irritated by your suggestion they want free water
    From page four of their PDF:
    Right2Water wrote:
    Water is a human right [...] As such, water provision and sanitation [...] should be made available to all, free at the point of use [...]


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    #95
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    robindch wrote: »
    From page four of their PDF:

    Originally Posted by Right2Water
    Water is a human right [...] As such, water provision and sanitation [...] should be made available to all, free at the point of use [...]
    is not the same as "free water is a right"


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    #96
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    It is, yeah.


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    #97
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    From a friend's facebook status...

    'Social Democrats policy mainly seems to consist of being in favour of puppies and rainbows but opposed to thunderstorms and Monday mornings.'


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    #98
    donspeekinglesh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=98563bc2f53bc670a2442d07f&id=3407ecd273

    Speaking ahead of today’s demonstration on School Pluralism at Leinster House the Social Democrats have pledged support to the campaign for equality in Education by stating that in a modern democracy, it is not acceptable that a child could be refused a place in a local school on the basis of religion.


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    #99
    Orion
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    I was at the Dail gates when the petition was handed over. Catherine Murphy, Roisin Shortall, Anne Marie McNally and James Heffernan from Social Democrats all out to support it.


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    #100
    mahoganygas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mahoganygas


    Plenty from other parties too....


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    #101
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    donspeekinglesh wrote: »
    [...] today’s demonstration on School Pluralism at Leinster House [...]
    No offence to the organizers who have nothing but my fullest support - but honestly! - this is the third demonstration in the last couple of weeks against discrimination that's happened in Dublin and it's the third one I've heard about with less than 24 hours to go. Or in this case, that it's just happened - and I'm sitting a five minute walk from the Dail!

    Where's the viral campaigning!? :rolleyes:


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    #102
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    mahoganygas wrote: »
    Plenty from other parties too....
    Some yes - but this thread is about the Social Democrats.
    robindch wrote: »
    No offence to the organizers who have nothing but my fullest support - but honestly! - this is the third demonstration in the last couple of weeks against discrimination that's happened in Dublin and it's the third one I've heard about with less than 24 hours to go. Or in this case, that it's just happened - and I'm sitting a five minute walk from the Dail!

    Where's the viral campaigning!? :rolleyes:

    I saw it mentioned on Facebook and Twitter last week. Maybe you're following the wrong people :p


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    #103
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Orion wrote: »
    Maybe you're following the wrong people :p
    I keep my twitter for Ukrainian coverage :rolleyes: fb and here for more normal interests!

    Might be useful to let people know the groups and accounts involved as there are other people who'd like to drop by to these events as they happen.

    ta!


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    #104
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Atheist Ireland and Irish Atheists on Facebook. Random people on twitter - human rights and activists.


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    #105
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    donspeekinglesh wrote: »
    Social Democrats Supporting Pluralism in Education

    http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=98563bc2f53bc670a2442d07f&id=3407ecd273

    Speaking ahead of today’s demonstration on School Pluralism at Leinster House the Social Democrats have pledged support to the campaign for equality in Education by stating that in a modern democracy, it is not acceptable that a child could be refused a place in a local school on the basis of religion.

    many would claim we already have pluralism in Education, but its Catholic dominated, we need secularism in Education

    how would party which is bound to get even less TDs then labour got in 2011 get any movement on this?


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    #106
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Nothing anywhere on boards about it. Nothing on AI's website. Nothing on Mr. Panicker's email list. Nothing on ET's mailing list.

    Life ain't always empty.



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    #107
    mahoganygas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mahoganygas


    Try Education Equality's Facebook page and mailing list.


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    #108
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Never heard of them. Don't do facebook and never will. Yes we exist :rolleyes:

    Life ain't always empty.



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    #109
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Never heard of them. Don't do facebook and never will. Yes we exist :rolleyes:
    Education Equality is a newly founded organisation that is aiming to achieve equality in the education system for all children regardless of religion.
    can you not look at this page https://www.facebook.com/Education-Equality-1641922236078221/?fref=ts
    Education Equality Membership Application Form
    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1g6QpEolMQ5Y_EfRKZaFTdvq2IWRLUtdgJhue-IhLNTI/viewform
    By ticking this box and submitting this application form, I agree to Education Equality's objectives as set out in the Mission Statement and to Education Equality's Constitution and data protection policy

    so I asked what is Education Equality's objectives as set out in the Mission Statement and Education Equality's Constitution and data protection policy?

    they said they put them on the website later / email them to me...


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    #110
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    labour's ciara conway https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1676463642624080&id=1641922236078221 and lots of others, there must be an election on the way
    lucinda creighton
    The deputy promised to speak against the School Admissions Bill on account of its failure to remove religious discrimination in schools admissions
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1676543942616050

    seems he lodge it to oireachtas petitions committee http://petitions.oireachtas.ie/online_petitions.nsf/Published_Petitions_EN/39A327A993B3068780257F010039834F?OpenDocument&type=published+petition&lang=EN&r=0.58609903105211 which is good thing as long as he fulfilled the "previous efforts" criteria and they say its been dealt with elsewhere


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    #111
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    expectationlost wrote: »
    labour's ciaron conway

    ...he lodge it...

    Ciara Conway and she.


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    #112
    Zamboni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    The guy who organised this petition is a dad and a barrister.
    He does not have declared support of Atheist Ireland.
    He does not have declared support of Educate Together.
    He does not have a boards.ie account (that I know of - if you do, hi paddy).
    He is not a trained campaigner and media savvy person.

    He is a guy who gave a **** about a topic, pulled a finger out of his arse, pulled off 20,000 signatures, got hours of national TV and Radio coverage, got inches of press coverage over the past 6 months.
    He even got me getting signatures on Grafton Street and I'm a lazy **** :pac:.

    The guy has done more than any politician or an entire A+A forum, or some useless Atheist Facebook group in the past six months for equality in education.
    He gave the even lesser organised Rupesh Panicker a massive dig out for his Walk for Eva campaign that some of the posters here attended.


    Bravo Paddy


    There is an official organisation that expectation just mentioned that fully support Paddy.

    They have a newsletter subscription form here.
    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1g6QpEolMQ5Y_EfRKZaFTdvq2IWRLUtdgJhue-IhLNTI/viewform


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    #113
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,056 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Never heard of them. Don't do facebook and never will. Yes we exist :rolleyes:
    But how will anybody know we exist?


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    #114
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Zamboni wrote: »
    The guy has done more than any politician or an entire A+A forum, or some useless Atheist Facebook group in the past six months for equality in education.
    I would remind you that A+A is a discussion forum, not an activist forum - that's the domain of the forum on atheist.ie.

    FWIW, A+A has raised a number of issues to national level, and at least one issue to international level - despite doing as little social media campaigning as possible, and most of the time, none at all.


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    #115
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Education Equality http://educationequality.ie/

    shall we make this the election campaigning and promises thread?


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