Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Randy Watson · 25-03-2013 12:08pm

Amprodude wrote: »

In fairness to our hurlers for a limited panel they always give it their best shot. This is a very good Galway team who are away more talented than us at the moment. To get a draw away was a very good result.

The same can't be said about the footballers. We should have gone down to Tralee with the attitude of winning. They played so bad down there today it was unbelievable for a team that beat Donegal, Down and Tyrone in the League. It shows our failure to beat Kerry in the past is still evident. CC better go soon or else Cork football will go so far down the ladder we may never come back up.

Im not having a go at Kerry fans here but Cork had a chance to relegate Kerry today and they failed miserably. If Cork were in Kerry's position and Kerry were coming to Pairc Ui Chaoimh to play Cork, and had a chance to relegate Cork , they would relish the opportunity and put us down in style. I guarantee you Kerry will do everything in their power to beat Tyrone in Omagh and I wouldnt be surprised if they did win there too.

Except for last week when they rolled over and died v Clare

Hidalgo · 25-03-2013 12:12pm

Randy Watson wrote: »

Except for last week when they rolled over and died v Clare

I wouldn't say they simply rolled over & died.
Momentum in any sport is crucial, if you've got it you become very hard to stop Clare got it at a vital stage and made the most of it on the scoreboard. In a similar situation yesterday, Clare had the momentum but failed to make KK pay on the board.

Randy Watson · 25-03-2013 12:27pm

Hidalgo wrote: »

I wouldn't say they simply rolled over & died.
Momentum in any sport is crucial, if you've got it you become very hard to stop Clare got it at a vital stage and made the most of it on the scoreboard. In a similar situation yesterday, Clare had the momentum but failed to make KK pay on the board.

Midfield and the forwards were cleaned out of it.

They certainly didn't "give it their best shot"

Thinkstoomuch · 25-03-2013 1:05pm

Randy Watson wrote: »

Midfield and the forwards were cleaned out of it.

They certainly didn't "give it their best shot"

The management need to take a fair share of the blame for the Clare defeat as well as the players in fairness.Cronin was never a CB and that he remained their for all of the game did not help Cork, if he was midfield or in the half forward line it would have helped Corks cause.At least it was proved yesterday Cork had more of chance with him out the field.

ShamoBuc · 25-03-2013 3:56pm

Randy Watson wrote: »

Midfield and the forwards were cleaned out of it.

They certainly didn't "give it their best shot"

That certainly happens at times in a match - that the Clare Midfield and backs got on top!!

The team will learn from it - Cronin not at CB is of course a great start.

Also in the second half of the Galway game.....they certainly gave it a great shot;)

Fireball07 · 25-03-2013 4:44pm

Any news on your U-21 football team for the game on Wednesday?

I assume you're expecting a fairly handy win?

Randy Watson · 25-03-2013 4:45pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

That certainly happens at times in a match - that the Clare Midfield and backs got on top!!

The team will learn from it - Cronin not at CB is of course a great start.

Also in the second half of the Galway game.....they certainly gave it a great shot;)

This guy was claiming that he hurlers always give it their best shot and that the same can't be said of the footballers.

He's wrong.

Thinkstoomuch · 25-03-2013 4:56pm

I an not a fan of Counihan but yesterday i dont think he had too many options with the players unavailable to him.I was not at this match but to hear Cork persisted with the blanket defense I think it was right to do so.
This style is still only 3 games in,so it will take time for it to be the finished article.
It was vital that Cork beat Kerry in Kerry but when Canty didn't start and Goulding only just back it was going to be a huge ask.
If Cork did not go with the blanket defence yesterday they could have beaten by a lot more.Andrew O Sulllivan is no where a near a Intercounty Forward but at least playing in the new system doesnt expose those weakness.
In order for the blanket system to work you need 2 forwards in the Full forward line who can score.Goulding is no where near match fitness,the more he plays the better he will get.For Cork to win yesterday Barry O Driscoll had to have a key game.He didn't.But look at the subs Cork had to bring on,Shorten,Denis Crowley,James Fitzpatrick.All good club players but no where near intercounty level.There not going to be a real scoring threat.CC was limited yesterday in what he could bring to the attacking side of the team.I woud not blame him for not trying to be more attack minded yesterday.The defensive side of the team is certaintly getting better.
What was really encouraging to note was to hold Kerry to 5 points from play even with out Cadogan,and Canty.Any one from Cahalane,Clancy and Jamie Wall would also strenghten that defence if they were added to it.
Cork seemed to fall short in attack but when Sheehan,Goulding,DOC all recover from injury it is bound to get better,once they don't go back to the old system.Paddy Kelly is due back also and he will not only be able to do the role of O Sullivan but he offers more of a scoring threat and far more creative.
Barry O Driscoll will have better days especially when he will have DOC,Sheehan,and Goulding to share the workload.John O Rourke,Brian Hurley,Dan MacEoin,while all very young will offer more than Shorten,Crowley etc as subs will ever offer.
While a win was important,the fact Corks injury crisis got worse as the week went on, I would remain upbeat that the new style is the way forward.Getting most of the injured players back in the forwards especially and avoiding any more injuries is key for Cork and can only improve Cork going forward.

Thinkstoomuch · 25-03-2013 6:53pm

Fireball07 wrote: »

Any news on your U-21 football team for the game on Wednesday?

I assume you're expecting a fairly handy win?

It is due to be named tonight.You would expect Cork to win with Cahalane,Wall,O Rourke around the last three years so the leadership should be there,but as Galway,Donegal and mainly Longford have shown already that on any given day anything is possible in this grade.
Limerick have a good coach in Tom macglinchy a Cork man who coached tipp when the seniors drew with Cork in 2002 Munster final and forced a replay.Tipp should have won.I hope limerick actually give Cork a close game as we need to be battle hardened if were to beat a very good Tipp side if we meet them in the final.
Corks weakeast line is the fullback line.Too many footballers that like to attack.Hopefully Cahalane will swtich with either O driscoll or Cronin.
The Corks forwards if they get decent ball are lethal.O Rourke has played senior this year and looked good against Dublin and Kildare,Maceoin got 5 points in the minor final against tyrone in 2010,and was excellent against kerry as was Hurley the last day.Hurley is on a rich vein of form with Castlehaven at the moment.
Kevin Hallisey can not even get on the team and is on the bench.The Cork half back line is good with Wall and Clancy excellent attacking defenders.
Brosnan is the weakeast defender in that line.

Orizio · 25-03-2013 6:54pm

Obviously the hurlers didn't try their hardest versus Clare.

Fireball07 wrote: »

Any news on your U-21 football team for the game on Wednesday?

I assume you're expecting a fairly handy win?

Almost certainly the same team as the Kerry game.

Clareman · 25-03-2013 8:22pm

Limerik91 banned

Thinkstoomuch · 25-03-2013 9:03pm

The Cork U21 team for Wednesday night against Limerick at the Gaelic Grounds is
1.David Hanarahan Douglas
2.Brian O Driscoll T.Mactaraigh
3.Conor Dorman Bishopstown
4.Alan Cronin Nemo Rangers
5.TJ Brosnan Newmarket
6.Damien Cahalane Castleheaven Captain
7.Jamie Wall Kilbrittain
8.Tom Clancy Clonakilty
9.Ian Maguire St Finbarrs
10.Alan Cadogan Douglas
11.Mark Sugrue Bandon
12.John O Rourke Carbery Rangers
13.Luke Connolly Nemo Rangers
14 Brian Hurley Castleheaven
15.Dan MacEoin Illen Rovers
Subs
16.Pat Kirby T.Mactaraigh
17.Connor Sullivan Clyda Rovers
18.Kevin Crowley Milstreet
19.Kevin Fulnagatti Nemo Rangers
20.Sean Kiely Ballincollig
21.Kevin Halissey Eire Og
22.Cathal Vaughan Iveleary
23.Tom Hegarty O Donovan Rossa

Orizio · 25-03-2013 9:04pm

That is Thomas Clancy from Clonakilty, not Fermoy.

Amprodude · 27-03-2013 1:47am

Randy Watson wrote: »

Except for last week when they rolled over and died v Clare

Clare were too good simple as. It happens. What I'm saying is sometimes Cork footballers have been good enough to beat Kerry and they still somehow fail.

Amprodude · 27-03-2013 1:50am

Randy Watson wrote: »

This guy was claiming that he hurlers always give it their best shot and that the same can't be said of the footballers.

He's wrong.

Our hurlers are not good enough but do give it their best. Look at Cork footballers, they have/had one of the best forward lines in the country and they only have 1 All Ireland. Big difference.

kilmac14 · 27-03-2013 3:34pm

Does anyone not realise that Brian O Driscoll from Tadgh MacCarthaigh was sent off at the weekend. So why is he named in the Cork team if he got sent off??? Is this another of Frank's great hodouni acts to get county players off suspensions?? He struck a 17 year old at the end of a club game and he's still allowed play for the county..... disgraceful if you ask me!!!

Orizio · 27-03-2013 5:09pm

Club suspensions do not carry over to inter-county.

darragh_haven · 27-03-2013 9:24pm

Any update on the u21 game

malascoile · 27-03-2013 9:25pm

Does anyone have a report or even the ucc team from their match vs avondhu yesterday?

blowitupref · 27-03-2013 10:26pm

darragh_haven wrote: »

Any update on the u21 game

Cork won by nine points 2-14 to 0-11 were only leading by 3 at HT. Tipp will provide a big challenge in Munster final.

zetecescort · 27-03-2013 11:01pm

malascoile wrote: »

Does anyone have a report or even the ucc team from their match vs avondhu yesterday?

https://twitter.com/ucc_gaa

not sure how reliable it is as Willian Egan is out with a hand injury. maybe other changes

Orizio · 27-03-2013 11:18pm

malascoile wrote: »

Does anyone have a report or even the ucc team from their match vs avondhu yesterday?

From the Echo:

O'Brien (St. Itas); S. Maher (Tipp); Glynn (Kilkenny); Ryan (Clare); Barry (Tipp); Lane (Kilworth); Cleary (Limerick); Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr); O'Shea (Carrigaline); Barry Lawton (Castlemartyr); McCormack (Tipp); Murphy (Mallow); Harnedy (St. Itas); Griffin (Limerick).

Aherne (Limerick), O'Brien (Charleville) and Curran (Waterford) came on.

Griffin, Aherne and Harnedy got most of the scores.

Treble20 · 27-03-2013 11:23pm

Good win for the under 21's tonight but Tipperary will be hard to beat in the final. Still 2-14 is good scoring in 60 minutes and a repeat of that scoreline would surely win them the Munster final but not been disrespectful to Limerick fans I'd say Tipp will be a major step up in class the next night.

Thinkstoomuch · 28-03-2013 12:07am

Treble20 wrote: »

Good win for the under 21's tonight but Tipperary will be hard to beat in the final. Still 2-14 is good scoring in 60 minutes and a repeat of that scoreline would surely win them the Munster final but not been disrespectful to Limerick fans I'd say Tipp will be a major step up in class the next night.

It was a good win and loads to improve on to beat a very very good Tipp team in Thurles in 2 weeks.
The forwards were superb,and still missed a load of goals and points.It is better that we did not destroy limerick as this will keep the feet grounded and the players wont get carried away with themselves.
MacEoin will have better days,but O Rourke was superb as was Hurley.They got 2 goals and a couple of points each.
Hurley got 1-5 tonight ,he is on some run of form.
The weakest aera of this team is the full back line along with midfield who looked creaky at times.
Alan Cronin is fine going forward but he will need to curb those instincts against Tipp and be more defensive.
Cahalane has to be full back for the Tippereary game.
Tippereary will have Michael Quinlvan at Full forward supported by Liam Mcgrath (cousin of Noel).They could also have Billy Hewitt starting.He got a goal against Cork in the minor 3 years ago,when Cork were lucky to hang on in the end.
That full forward line will be a handful even with Cahalane at Full back but they will destroy us if Cahalane doesnt start there.
Tom Clancy needs to go back to Centre back where he is more comfortable than midfield.
Limerick like Kerry caused Cork problems here tonight.Cathal Vaughan was good when he came on,got 3 nice points at Centre forward.
He could well come in to contention for a midfield berth.
The Tippereary game will be a huge game.They have beaten Cork in the last two years at minor,and will feel they had the beating of us 3 years ago in the minor also.
They also have the monkey of their back in winning their first titlei at this grade in Tralee against Kerry in 2010.It has the makings of a classic with two excellent footballing teams that both have two very good coaches.In Thurles Tippereary will have huge support.
Tipp beat clare 1-12 to 0-7 tonight.

Blue Magic · 28-03-2013 12:18am

Will be interesting to see Bud Hartnett with Midleton this year in the club championship. Reckon he could be very good!

Thinkstoomuch · 28-03-2013 12:18am

zetecescort wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ucc_gaa

not sure how reliable it is as Willian Egan is out with a hand injury. maybe other changes

He would be a massive loss to the team.A certain starter come the summer.Not only has egan defended superbly so far but he has been scoring from half back not just for Cork but for UCC also.
He is just the type of player needed for Kilkenny.

Thinkstoomuch · 28-03-2013 12:26am

Blue Magic wrote: »

Will be interesting to see Bud Hartnett with Midleton this year in the club championship. Reckon he could be very good!

He has the talent.Hopefully he will be good for the Cork U21s also.
Midelton seem to have a very potent forward line on paper with lehane,O Farell,Hartnett.
I wonder though are they too similar.They seem to be like Cork in that they badly need a target man,a grafter up front so these lads can feed off.

Blue Magic · 28-03-2013 12:28am

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

He would be a massive loss to the team.A certain starter come the summer.Not only has egan defended superbly so far but he has been scoring from half back not just for Cork but for UCC also.
He is just the type of player needed for Kilkenny.

Eamonn Murphy has tweeted that he broke his finger and will miss the league game v Kilkenny.

Stephen White will most likely slot in there I'd speculate. I expect the following team:

Nash
O'Neill, Murphy, O'Sullivan
Kenny, Joyce, White
McLoughlin, Cronin
Lehane, Páidí, Cian Mac
Moylan, Cussen/O'Farrell, Hoggy

Reckon they could decide to start Cussen but hope they start Luke there. Only fella who looks like scoring goals regularly, apart from Nash from the penalty spot.

Need the likes of Hoggy and Lehane to step up to the mark and start performing. Kilkenny needing to win in Nowlan Park? Delighted in one way. We'll see how near to or far from the standard we are. No hiding here.

Thinkstoomuch · 28-03-2013 1:21am

Blue Magic wrote: »

Eamonn Murphy has tweeted that he broke his finger and will miss the league game v Kilkenny.

Stephen White will most likely slot in there I'd speculate. I expect the following team:

Nash
O'Neill, Murphy, O'Sullivan
Kenny, Joyce, White
McLoughlin, Cronin
Lehane, Páidí, Cian Mac
Moylan, Cussen/O'Farrell, Hoggy

Reckon they could decide to start Cussen but hope they start Luke there. Only fella who looks like scoring goals regularly, apart from Nash from the penalty spot.

Need the likes of Hoggy and Lehane to step up to the mark and start performing. Kilkenny needing to win in Nowlan Park? Delighted in one way. We'll see how near to or far from the standard we are. No hiding here.

If Egan is out ,I would have Mcloughlin at half back.He excelled for Cork as a minor in 07,and can score from distance .On a beaten Cork minor team he was very good and also got a point in the All Ireland Final .MCloughlin would also bring pace to this line and is an excellent sweeper.Im not sure White can.
Kearney is so similar to Lorchan him,he can slot in at midfield instead of him.He can score and also has a good engine.
Cronin will be missed in the half forward line but has to be midfield as we need a physical presence,espiceally the way Lester Ryan has been performing.And Rice or Fennelly will probably partner him.
With Cronin at midfield it would also draw Hogan out to compete with him in the air,so it may create space in behind.
The half forward line has not many options but Paudie has to be in nearer goal.Cork to beat KK will have to score goals.Any team that has beaten them in big games normally scores goals.
I would go all out for goals and drop Horgan as he is not a goal threat.He has been poor this year for a so called leader of the team.JBM has been ruthless with a lot of other proven players so he has to be fair and by the same token Horgan needs to be dropped.O Farell and Moylan i would have in the Full forward line.
Moylan was dropped for the Clare game after just one poor game but done well as a sub against Galway.He deserves another chance and is more likely to score a goal than Horgan. If Horgan was dropped it might make him come back stronger .As it is , he too poor to keep starting.
Cian Mccarthy has not been consistent so far but on the basis he done well when brought on against Galway and we badly need a physical presence in the half forward line he needs to start.
Lehane form has been poor for Cork.He has the talent and still is very young.Id start him but he should be told to roam all over the place. and not be confined to any one spot .
Mannix deserves another chance to start.He can't be judged after one league game and is much better than Cussen who has had numerous chances.He deserves to be judged on two games at least.
If Cussen starts it is madness.But I think they will start him
If JJ Delaney is back he will be destroyed.If not Joyce will probably be there and he won't fear cussen at all.
If Cork can isolate the full forward line on one and ones with their defenders there is goals to be got. It is a lot easier said though than to actually do it.The Half Forward line will need towin 50/50 ball and every forward will need to show an intensity to fight for every ball for Cork to even compete not to mind win which as a unit they have failed to do so far.

Thinkstoomuch · 28-03-2013 2:57am

The Cork V Kilkenny match is being shown live by TG4 on Sunday at 3.

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