Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

lovelypoint wrote: »

I'm sorry guys, this might be a bitter pill to swallow, but we're simply not good enough and getting left behind. Time to be objective here, we are *almost* beating teams, while other teams we would have perceived to be in and around our level *are* beating teams. People can celebrate moral victories and near misses all they want, and while I will acknowledge the positives from such performances, objectively they are still failures. This may be harsh, but it is also true.

I don't think you can superimpose and apply a winning standard/mentality onto a team that wasn't winning in the first place. Ryan inherited a difficult situation and it was always going to take time to improve it. But I agree with you to the extent that I do tend to think that from next year we don't have those excuses to fall back on. I think it's clear to see that the potential is there but it now has to be delivered upon.

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

I think the right manager can.Before JBM, Cork had never beaten the top four in a knockout game under walsh.

We had one false dawn against Tipp,where that was not the real tipp team.

Cork had a poor leauge campaign but never panicked.The fans had concerns,but always knew it was a three year plan.

JBM got these players that lost so many minors,and u 21 games by single scores to actually winning games again.

Most of these guys that had no success at underage,were huge players at CIT and UCC,as Ger cunnigham and Pat mulchay knew what they were doing.

Whatever the rights,and wrongs,of Ryans situation,knowing from expierence with cork,once the dressing room is lost,you will never get the trust and belief back.

Ryan shoudnt put hes name forward again.We had the same with Gerald Mac.Out of sheer defiance and allegiance to the board he went for another term.

Justin stood hes ground in limerick,didnt help them.
In the long run,a new manager and a fresh start is better for waterford.Yere underage at schools,minor etc is much better than Cork.What saved us,and gave us some breathing space,was JBM.

The problem is we wont always have him.

Unfortunately there aren't too many JBM's out there and our CB certainly doesn't have the finances nor the wherewithal to locate one. There is none within the county IMO.

I'm not suggesting that Ryan go for it again, I think it would be unwise in the extreme and agree totally about the dressing room aspect, but what I am fed up of is people here having a go at Ryan because we didn't win anything or saying we had a bad year because KK weren't the imperious side they once were. What team judges it's season on the failings of another team???

As the former county board chairman stated, we can only hope that the players have some plan to raise the finances to get the big name manager that they want but considering they couldn't even organise a meeting properly I think that's unlikely. I can't see the team making any significant progress under the management of the likely candidates and I am worried about where the panel goes from here given the split this whole sorry mess has caused.

Late Late show by Passage beats Mount Sion tonight. Another good result for queallys men tonight as they will play Ballygunner in the final game top of the table.

Goals coming from Eoin Kelly, John Whitty for Passage and Mount Sions from Michael Gaffney and Sean Ryan.

Mount Sion led by a single point at halftime.Led by four when Ryan scored to make it 2-12 to 1-11 with 10 mins to go. But in the last 5 mins, Passage scored 1-4 without reply to take home the spoils.

This result puts a lot of pressure on both teams tomorrow as a defeat for either (and even a draw for Ballygunner) would mean they cannot finish in the top 2.

Also, if Abbeyside win, the Gunners will be in 5th position and so a win tomorrow is crucial or else they will not be able to qualify no matter what result they get the following weekend as I understand that it comes down to head to head. In that scenario, Dungarvan would have 5 points, Abbeyside 4, and Ballygunner 2 and so even if Dungarvan beat A'side and B'Gunner beat Passage they would still lose out as Abbeyside beat them.

The permutations of a Dungarvan loss would be that the Gunners and Abbeyside have 4 and Dungarvan 3, and so an Abbeyside win would see last years County finalists out of the compeition. Once again group 2 is likely to have an unbelieveable finish just like last year!

All this means that tomorrow's game in Fraher Field at 7pm should be a fantastic game

What about kevin ryan,?now with Antrim and with Carlow before.

Is he rated,and hes a waterford man.

doz wrote: »

If you were to select the candidate with the most intercounty experience from within the county then he would certainly be at the top of the list. Did a decent job with Carlow in my view and John Meyler has continued his good work. I could be wrong but I believe he has gone for the job before and not been chosen. I would certainly rather him than some of the other names within the county being bandied around at the moment.

Yeah i heard he done superb work their,and is a young progressive coach.
And as you mention Myler,another good coach with excellent record ,and does coaching for more the hurling than the money side.

One guy that might nt cost money is JJ Doyle of wexford.Im shocked he hasnt been mentioned.

Done superb with wexford 3 in a row camoige,and the U21 team in hes first year.

Dunne has the gig in wexford for a while yet so im sure doyle would love to get a senior job even as coach.
Okay wexford camoige were beaten today,but they were woeful at the start of the year,and only for him retaking the job in july,woudnt got this far.

JJ Doyle is a very good shout.

Mountainlad wrote: »

Well, maybe not. They have the chance to knock their rivals out next weekend if they should lose tonight.

Confidence in the Abbeyside club must be pretty high after their last two results.

Abbeyside have always been fairly solid, if not spectacular, but I think their position is more indicative of how poor Ballygunner have been. All not well in the camp there from what I've heard. Their form is inexplicable considering the quality they have available.

Mountainlad wrote: »

I agree with you, but the manner in which they beat BG and Roanmore is quite alarming. They deserve credit for that.

I didn't mean to belittle their victories as they have put up very impressive scores but you would have to question what is going on at Ballygunner and whether Roanmore should be playing senior at all. Dungarvan and Passage put big scores past them already and Mount Sion likely to do the same in the last round.

You would expect a big display from Ballygunner tonight but Dungarvan are going well and will smell blood.