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The Bike Scheme thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,666 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Hope the users are told not to go via the pedestrian routes. It is/was bad enough with the rickshaws but I wouldn't fancy a gang of people on bikes coming at me on Shop Street.

    We may as well tell them to stop for red lights and not cycle the wrong way up one-way streets, too.

    But I don't think it would make much difference.




    If a short bit of one-way street would really would tke a huge bit out of a journey, then unlike a car, a cyclist can just dismount and wheel their bike for that short distance. So really there's no excuse ....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    To be honest I think shop st should be a 'tolerated' 2 way bike route until the delivery cut off at 11am. But that would be for commuters to know.

    Sending a tourist down a slippy wet shop st with peds meandering everywhere at 4pm, Meh!!!! :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Sending a tourist any cyclist down a slippy wet shop st with peds meandering everywhere at 4pm, Meh!!!! :(

    That'd be like dogems without the bumper cars.:eek:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    If a short bit of one-way street would really would tke a huge bit out of a journey, then unlike a car, a cyclist can just dismount and wheel their bike for that short distance. So really there's no excuse ....

    Have you ever considered a job with the city council roads department? You sound like you would get on like a house on fire......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    We may as well tell them to stop for red lights and not cycle the wrong way up one-way streets, too.

    But I don't think it would make much difference.

    If a short bit of one-way street would really would tke a huge bit out of a journey, then unlike a car, a cyclist can just dismount and wheel their bike for that short distance. So really there's no excuse ....




    As galwaycyclist has pointed out repeatedly, cycling is door-to-door transport par excellence. In order to promote cycling in Galway City as the congestion-busting mode of travel it undoubtedly is, then attention to detail is important. That's the way they do things in Copenhagen, for example, which is why cycling is so easy and popular there.

    As someone who obeys traffic lights, and whose child was nearly hit by a two-wheeled red light breaker in Salthill recently, I generally agree with you on this point. That said, in Galway City cyclists don't respect traffic lights for several reasons, imho: they are not educated to do so, they are just going along with the general lack of respect for the RoTR evident in the city (eg footpaths are just extra road space, road markings are meaningless and speed limits are optional), there is no effective road traffic law enforcement, and traffic lights are not configured with cyclists in mind.

    With regard to one-way streets, there is no excuse for Galway City Council not to have provided rational and systematic exemptions for cyclists. As has been pointed out repeatedly, on Boards and elsewhere, the local authority was given serious advice as long ago as 1979 to keep one-way streets two-way for cyclists. They ignored those recommendations, naturally, with the result that the city's convoluted one-way systems represent a serious barrier to cycling as a convenient and efficient door-to-door mode of travel.

    The National Cycle Policy Framework rightly acknowledges one-way systems as inherently cycle-hostile and advocates their removal (for cyclists). The current City Development Plan also recognises this basic fact, and includes a provision to make one-way streets two-way for cyclists where feasible.

    For example, why should children have to take unnecessarily convoluted routes, break the law, or push their bikes to travel to and from school?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Please do not use this thread for general cycling discussion when there is a current thread here for that stuff.
    Cycling in the City
    This particular thread is about the Bike Scheme itself, not where/how to cycle.
    I understand there is a fine line but want to make a note before the signal drowns in general chat.

    FYI: I've moved over some posts from Scheme to Cycling thread so the flow can continue there. Thx.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    biko wrote: »
    Please do not use this thread for general cycling discussion when there is a current thread here for that stuff.
    Cycling in the City
    This particular thread is about the Bike Scheme itself, not where/how to cycle.
    I understand there is a fine line but want to make a note before the signal drowns in general chat.

    FYI: I've moved over some posts from Scheme to Cycling thread so the flow can continue there. Thx.

    With respect it is difficult to see how we can discuss bikeshare without discussing one-way streets it is one of the central issues.

    It is clear that the consultants who drafted the bikeshare report considered the issue of one-way streets and access through pedestrian areas to be of importance to their proposals. bold text mine

    Jacobs Report: Proposals for Introducing Public Bike Schemes in Regional Cities
    Large File (12.8 MB)
    http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Further-attachments-provided-with-response.pdf

    Recommendations are made on the complementary measures which would be needed as a new scheme is introduced. Perhaps the most important one would be an increase in permeability for cycle traffic in the city centres through the provision of two-way cycling on one-way streets, and by opening up pedestrianised areas to cycling where conditions allow.

    3.3 Galway
    A site visit was carried out to Galway in the early afternoon on a weekday. The initial impression of the level of cycling was similar to that of Cork as there was a presence of cyclists in the city centre (fewer than in Cork but the site visit was during the interpeak when cycling levels drop considerably). Cycle parking was relatively plentiful and well used. Many bikes were also seen parked informally i.e. locked to various items of street furniture. As in Cork, cyclists were seen using the footway in the contra-flow direction adjacent to one-way streets highlighting the need for contraflow facilities. The streets of Galway appeared to be particularly congested both in the city centre itself (below right) and also on the approaches, even in the inter-peak period.

    5.2.2 Cycle-Friendly Road & Path Networks
    Intuitively, a scheme would be more successful where there is a comprehensive network of cycle-friendly routes. This is not restricted to designated cycle routes but relates to how attractive/safe/navigable etc the whole of the deployment area is for cycling. An example of a cycle-friendly improvement on a city-wide scale is the legislation which permitted two-way cycling in all one-way streets with a 30kmh limit which was passed in France in 2010. As a result, the road network of Paris became a lot more navigable and permeable by bike, with no reported direct increase in casualties. The worst environment for cycling would include dual carriageways, high speed roads (with limits and/or speeds above 50kmh), gyratories and large roundabouts. The traffic mix also influences the environment – high flows of HGVs present a particular hazard to cycle traffic.
    5.4.2 Galway
    · Galway has a population of approximately 100,000 including 25,000 students. A typical city of this size would have a fleet of 200 bikes, and around 1500 registered members;
    · The assessment of Galway is that it is generally well suited to a bike sharing scheme. It clearly attracts a large number of tourists, the topography is either flat or quite gentle, there is a significant level of congestion in the city (even during the inter-peak), and car parking is relatively expensive, and timeconsuming to access. Although the one-way streets and pedestrianised areas make it awkward to navigate by bike, there are not many high-speed, multi lane sections are found in some of the other cities. The existing network, therefore, mainly poses a navigational, rather than safety, challenge to cyclists. It is considered that a Galway scheme would therefore attract an above-average number of users a fleet of 200 to 250 bikes;

    · Of the four, it is estimated that Galway and Cork are the best suited as they have more of the characteristics of the cities where bike-sharing schemes are successful;
    · An exploration of complimentary measures is recommended to increase the impact of any bike-sharing scheme. The key focus is likely to be the need to improve cycle-traffic permeability in the city centres particularly in one-way streets and pedestrianised areas. This will have the twin advantage of making cycle trips more advantageous over other modes, as well as making journeys more navigable;


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    A no-brainer really, but evidently a key point that needs to be highlighted over and over again.

    Perhaps the ideal set-up for a successful shared bike scheme in Galway would be a highly-permeable centre with a well-regulated 30 km/h speed limit and a tightly-controlled HGV management strategy. Not sure what else would be essential.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    A no-brainer really, but evidently a key point that needs to be highlighted over and over again.

    Perhaps the ideal set-up for a successful shared bike scheme in Galway would be a highly-permeable centre with a well-regulated 30 km/h speed limit and a tightly-controlled HGV management strategy. Not sure what else would be essential.

    Yes that would work for a start at least.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    In my opinion we just need the bikes.
    With more bikes the rest will adjust automatically.
    The city centre is already good for bikes and some bike lanes exist already.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    A place you could send rental scheme cyclists the 'wrong way' is along the south side of Merchants road westwards and along market street westwards im contraflow bike lanes. You would need to permaban parking on the south side of Merchants Road and Market Street and certainly after 11am to create that cycle lane though.

    I think Shop St would be a nightmare a lot of the time ( after midday any day) as the pedestrian traffic is very dense and they all assume there is no traffic at all and zig zag a lot.

    I also think the problem is how to get bikes westward through the town not so much eastwards and that should influence the location of the rental stations as they should show a clear pathe westwards. The main business will be Town > Salthill and back or Town > Uni and back which is easier.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    I also think the problem is how to get bikes westward through the town not so much eastwards and that should influence the location of the rental stations as they should show a clear pathe westwards. The main business will be Town > Salthill and back or Town > Uni and back which is easier.

    Agree - bike user's coming from Bohermore/College Road side(and Headford Rd) need an easier method to get across to the West Side of the city.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 emh


    I've just spotted this discussion here, hope you saw the notice from Galway City Council looking for comments on the proposed Bicycle Scheme for Galway, see below and here http://www.galwaycity.ie/GeneralNews/080813_01.html

    The proposed area for bike stations is even more restricted than what appeared in the Jacobs report.

    Today is the last day for comments!

    Public Notice: Regional Bicycle Share Scheme – Public Display
    08 August 2013


    Please be notified that drawings and photomontages of the forthcoming Public Bicycle Share Scheme in Galway City Centre will be available for inspection at Galway City Council, Transportation, Infrastructure, Recreation and Amenity Section, Yeats College Annex, College Road, Galway during normal office hours, from 9.00a.m. to 4.00p.m., Monday to Friday, from Friday, 9th August to Friday, 23rd August, 2013.

    On Thursday, 15th August, 2013, between the hours of 5p.m. and 8p.m. an informal information session will be held on the scheme in the Council Chamber, Galway City Council, City Hall, College Road, Galway.

    Please address any comments or queries to email found at http://www.galwaycity.ie/GeneralNews/080813_01.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭dloob


    The scheme details are to be announced today at 10:30.

    http://www.connachttribune.ie/breaking-news/28339-details-of-galway-public-bike-scheme-to-be-announced
    Details of public bike schemes for Galway, Limerick and Cork will be announced later this morning.

    Public Transport Minister Alan Kelly will announce the details along with a private sector partner, who was successful in securing the naming rights of the scheme.

    It's understood Galway will have 200 bikes at 20 locations around the city.

    Mayor of Galway, Padraig Conneely, as well as representatives of Galway City Council will be at the announcement which takes place in Limerick at 10:30am.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Scheme was launched this morning in Galway city by Minister Alan Kelly
    https://twitter.com/alankellylabour/status/382460454523506688/photo/1

    Anybody at the launch?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Came across this link today
    http://www.coca-cola.ie/community/coke-zero-bikes.html
    "
    700 Coke Zero bikes will be introduced in the cities of Cork, Galway and Limerick in the summer of 2014 as an eco-friendly, healthier way to travel.
    "

    Similar sentiments in this article in the Connacht Tribune on Friday, 18 April 2014

    http://www.connachttribune.ie/galway-news/item/2697-2m-fund-for-galway-greenway
    "
    Visitors will be able to hire city bikes in a scheme similar to the Dublin bikes scheme from this summer.
    "

    Has anybody seen any works been carried out in the city yet?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    After more digging - found the following on the NTA's website:
    http://www.nationaltransport.ie/projects-schemes/transport-projects/public-bikes-schemes-in-regional-cities/

    The successful Public Bikes format is to be rolled out to Galway, Cork and Limerick cities in July 2014. The schemes will be known as ‘Coke Zero Bikes’ and will be the first of their kind in these cities, they will operate along the lines of the successful Dublin Bikes scheme allowing potential cyclists to use bikes for either free or at a low cost and take/leave them at various docking stations throughout the cities.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Good news for Belfast, they are getting a bike scheme as well.

    Belfast bike scheme due to be live in Spring
    http://irishcycle.com/2014/05/01/belfast-bike-scheme-due-to-be-live-in-spring/


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    " as an eco-friendly, healthier way to travel.
    "

    Healthy apart from drinking the stuff that sponsors it! :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Ya 9 teaspoons of sugar per can of regular Coke (330cl), wonder how many km's on the public bike you would need to cycle to burn that off?

    http://www.coca-cola.ie/faq/health/calories-in-330ml-can-of-coca-cola.html
    "
    139 calories in a can of Coca‑Cola
    "


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,823 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    no sign of construction at any of the Limerick locations yet. Anyone seen anything in Galway?

    Considering it took Dublin from April til September 2009 to build theirs, they'd really want to get a move on to have it ready for August!


  • Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭whineflu


    Ya 9 teaspoons of sugar per can of regular Coke (330cl), wonder how many km's on the public bike you would need to cycle to burn that off?
    "


    About 10 minutes. Less on the heavy yokes they usually provide as public bikes.
    I'm guessing you don't cycle much or a can of coke wouldn't be worrying you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    whineflu wrote: »
    About 10 minutes. Less on the heavy yokes they usually provide as public bikes.
    I'm guessing you don't cycle much or a can of coke wouldn't be worrying you.

    I don't cycle as much as I would like, only do about 100-120km on the bike a week. Enjoy a can of coke the day after a "N+1" session of beer were N is the perfect number of beers that one does not get a hangover from.:D

    @Poxyshamrock - no sign of Construction in Galway; but they may not be using the exact same model of docking stations as used in Dublin?


  • Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭boardzz


    Ya 9 teaspoons of sugar per can of regular Coke (330cl), wonder how many km's on the public bike you would need to cycle to burn that off?

    http://www.coca-cola.ie/faq/health/calories-in-330ml-can-of-coca-cola.html
    "
    139 calories in a can of Coca‑Cola
    "

    Well is sponsored by Coke Zero so this is not relevant at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    boardzz wrote: »
    Well is sponsored by Coke Zero so this is not relevant at all.

    :)

    My original post was not intended to provoke a calorie discussion LOL
    (I was actually referring to the amount of sh*te in certain low cal drinks!)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    West Ireland Cycling have won a contract to provide a service. Very proud of them! http://connachttribune.ie/galway-firm-wins-contract-for-bike-hire-schemes/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    Wow that's a huge win for them.


    Noticed this in the article;

    "The scheme, broadly based on the hugely successful Dublin bike scheme, is expected to be up and running by November."


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,823 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    Here are the Galway locations.

    Such a pity it's running behind schedule.
    307750.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭metroburgers


    Any map view available of this, specifically where these docking stations will be?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭celty


    One thing I have noticed is that there are no docking stations in Salthill, Knocknacarra, etc, which means that the scheme as originally outlined is confined to a pretty compact area of the city.

    Surely that's a bit of an oversight? Even busiensses in Salthill should be lobbying to get included at this stage.


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