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  • #62
    3fullback
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭3fullback


    Raider190 wrote: »
    Keep the chin up blue top won't be long now end of month is my prediction

    You seem to be very accurate with your predictions Raider :rolleyes:
    When the last upskill course finishes in Sept 2013 I would guess that by end of Sept or early Oct the new powers will be granted by the Commissioners.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85895497&postcount=66


  • #63
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    3fullback wrote: »
    You seem to be very accurate with your predictions Raider :rolleyes:



    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85895497&postcount=66

    Can I be blamed for been positive


  • #64
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭thestar


    Do Reserves actually care if they get powers or not anyway? If anything has to be done then I'm sure the full time Garda will do it?


  • #65
    Mc Jakester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭Mc Jakester


    thestar wrote: »
    Do Reserves actually care if they get powers or not anyway? If anything has to be done then I'm sure the full time Garda will do it?


    Yes!
    Especially s.41. A lot of our powers to be are around road traffic FCPS.
    Public order is a tricky one, more paper work and court appearances..
    It's up to you how proactive you are!
    We signed up to make "some" difference.. And help out!
    Nice to share the work load...
    Don't be shy! You'll stick out...


  • #66
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭thestar


    What are the proposed new powers?


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  • #67
    Mc Jakester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭Mc Jakester


    thestar wrote: »
    What are the proposed new powers?

    If you did the up skill course, you should know.


  • #68
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    thestar wrote: »
    What are the proposed new powers?

    Very fishy very fishy


  • #69
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭thestar


    Raider190 wrote: »
    Very fishy very fishy

    Whats fishy about it?


  • #70
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    thestar wrote: »
    Do Reserves actually care if they get powers or not anyway? If anything has to be done then I'm sure the full time Garda will do it?
    Don't be getting too carried away. Increased powers for Reserves is just another Government scam to undermine full time Gardaí pay scales. Reserves will be used more and more to do duties that would have normally done on overtime. We can see the way they are treating new Student Gardaí with pay reductions. It's just a carry on from what they did to the nurses and apprentices.


  • #71
    Canyon86
    Registered Users Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Canyon86


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Don't be getting too carried away. Increased powers for Reserves is just another Government scam to undermine full time Gardaí pay scales. Reserves will be used more and more to do duties that would have normally done on overtime. We can see the way they are treating new Student Gardaí with pay reductions. It's just a carry on from what they did to the nurses and apprentices.

    Spot on Santa, in a nutshell


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  • #72
    Scouser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Don't be getting too carried away. Increased powers for Reserves is just another Government scam to undermine full time Gardaí pay scales. Reserves will be used more and more to do duties that would have normally done on overtime. We can see the way they are treating new Student Gardaí with pay reductions. It's just a carry on from what they did to the nurses and apprentices.

    bull****

    how can they use GRs to do more duties?

    its up to the GRs to turn up. I wont be doin anything more than I usually do. I have a family and career and they come first

    GRs are a little extra for the force - the force will always plan without the GR resource. GRs supplement , always have always will

    more misguided scaremongering from the illinformed


  • #73
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Don't be getting too carried away. Increased powers for Reserves is just another Government scam to undermine full time Gardaí pay scales. Reserves will be used more and more to do duties that would have normally done on overtime. We can see the way they are treating new Student Gardaí with pay reductions. It's just a carry on from what they did to the nurses and apprentices.

    Absolute rubbish. Another scare mongering comment from the ill informed. Reserves have never been used to undermine anything. We have never taken overtime from regulars , we have nothing to do with pay scales . Why do GRs have to continually hear this type of fuzzy logic . No one with a clear understanding of what the Reseves do would make such a comment and expect to be taken seriously


  • #74
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Canyon86 wrote: »
    Spot on Santa, in a nutshell

    Suprised at this canyon86 as you are waiting to join the GR. Is this really what you think ??????


  • #75
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭thestar


    Nobody can argue that a reserve isn't taking overtime from gardai, If a reserve wasn't there then a Garda would be there and he would be getting paid, simple


  • #76
    Scouser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    thestar wrote: »
    Nobody can argue that a reserve isn't taking overtime from gardai, If a reserve wasn't there then a Garda would be there and he would be getting paid, simple

    you really really have no clue

    my unit work off 10members

    there will be 10 there today

    if i turn up there will be 11

    if im not there, there will still be 10

    nobody gets sent home if i turn up:rolleyes:


  • #77
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭thestar


    I never said anything about anybody sent home, what I'm saying is that Reserves are taking away from there being more recruitment and taking away from the overtime of members. In saying that, fair play to Reserves, a man's got to do what a man's gotta do.


  • #78
    Scouser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    thestar wrote: »
    I never said anything about anybody sent home, what I'm saying is that Reserves are taking away from there being more recruitment and taking away from the overtime of members. In saying that, fair play to Reserves, a man's got to do what a man's gotta do.

    again you have no clue

    you cannot rely on a GRs attendance. we work when we can. we can alsoleave as we please

    so everything is planned without us. (and correctly so)

    we supplement, we do not replace. thats the way it always has been and always will be


  • #79
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭thestar


    well if that's the case it's a waste of time in my opinion


  • #80
    msg11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    thestar wrote: »
    Nobody can argue that a reserve isn't taking overtime from gardai, If a reserve wasn't there then a Garda would be there and he would be getting paid, simple

    If the company dose not want someone there they won't put someone there no matter how understaffed it is. So regardless if a someone comes in and dose the job for nothing if that person left they still would not replace the person.

    The GR could stop tomorrow AGS still won't hire any extra staff simple as. As regards O/T the budget for O/T at an event is set at a certain amount say 10,000 euro. AGS will use up till the 10,000 and ask a few Reserves to show there face. If the Reserves don't show up AGS are not going to panic and start handing out O/T to members. The budget has been used up. Even if the Reserve did not exist that budget is still going to be 10,000.

    Reserves are exactly that Reserves, like a Reserve water tank or Reserve electricity supply it's a Reserve for when extra supply is needed. It is not intended to be the main supply.


  • #81
    Scouser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    thestar wrote: »
    well if that's the case it's a waste of time in my opinion

    of course it is :rolleyes:

    your an armchair general man, we do while you do not


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  • #82
    msg11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    thestar wrote: »
    well if that's the case it's a waste of time in my opinion

    That's your opinion, my opinion is it could and should be utilised a lot better than it's current state. Reserves could take up roles to free up full time members around the station to have them out on the beat or if a full time member needs to catch up on stuff the reserve should be used to assist in what ever way they can.


  • #83
    msg11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    Just to add from talking to full time member most of them have excellent ideas and I think there should be a forum held regards the Reserves where full time members can voice there option on the Reserves and exactly what way we could best assist the full time members.

    Most members do like the idea of the Reserve but are not exactly sure what it is we should be doing and it's seen as a bit of training exercise going out with us.

    If full time members had some input into what we do I am sure we would be a bit better received. There also seems to be some sort of problem around the financial implications of the Reserve, maybe if some members on units that actually want to have an input into Reserve members where given an allowance when out with the Reserve I am sure it would change the financial concern.


  • #84
    thestar
    Registered Users Posts: 502 ✭✭✭thestar


    msg11, you do make a lot of sense in what you say


  • #85
    D Trent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭D Trent


    msg11 wrote: »
    There also seems to be some sort of problem around the financial implications of the Reserve, maybe if some members on units that actually want to have an input into Reserve members where given an allowance when out with the Reserve I am sure it would change the financial concern.
    I think if that were to happen GRs would walk away from the organisation in disgust


  • #86
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Scouser wrote: »
    bull****

    how can they use GRs to do more duties?

    its up to the GRs to turn up. I wont be doin anything more than I usually do. I have a family and career and they come first

    GRs are a little extra for the force - the force will always plan without the GR resource. GRs supplement , always have always will

    more misguided scaremongering from the illinformed


    It's not a bit misguided. I have seen it at venues like Croke Park and the Aviva. Reserves coming in for the day which means that full time Gardaí who were doing this work on overtime previously are left at home instead of getting 8/10 hours overtime on their rest Sunday. They are not supplementing, they are replacing.
    What good is giving Reserves Public Order powers? Are they prepared to take time off work while cases are prosecuted through the District Court and Circuit Court or will they just land the work in on top of the full time Garda?


  • #87
    Scouser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    It's not a bit misguided. I have seen it at venues like Croke Park and the Aviva. Reserves coming in for the day which means that full time Gardaí who were doing this work on overtime previously are left at home instead of getting 8/10 hours overtime on their rest Sunday. They are not supplementing, they are replacing.


    complete crap my good man

    not true in anyway shape or form

    iv worked croker,aviva and 02 tons of times - sometimes making my decision just before parading and never has anyone been sent home

    my last outing at the 02 saw all the duties given out - and reserves being spread around ala carte to pressure points. so no provision was made for reserves, so therefore all normal duties manned by fulltimers

    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    What good is giving Reserves Public Order powers? Are they prepared to take time off work while cases are prosecuted through the District Court and Circuit Court or will they just land the work in on top of the full time Garda?

    its up to each individual GR isnt it?

    iv been landed with work by fulltimers so its a two way street


  • #88
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Scouser wrote: »
    complete crap my good man

    not true in anyway shape or form

    iv worked croker,aviva and 02 tons of times - sometimes making my decision just before parading and never has anyone been sent home

    my last outing at the 02 saw all the duties given out - and reserves being spread around ala carte to pressure points. so no provision was made for reserves, so therefore all normal duties manned by fulltimers




    its up to each individual GR isnt it?

    iv been landed with work by fulltimers so its a two way street

    You would say that.


  • #89
    Scouser
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scouser


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    You would say that.

    the truth?

    always


  • #90
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    thestar wrote: »
    Nobody can argue that a reserve isn't taking overtime from gardai, If a reserve wasn't there then a Garda would be there and he would be getting paid, simple

    An opinion only but from an ill informed and an non experienced point of view. Reserves are used for events when there is no availability of regular members. There are many stations in the country that would be able to fulfil a normal roster if it was not for the reserves turning up forduty


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  • #91
    Raider190
    Site Banned Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Raider190


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    It's not a bit misguided. I have seen it at venues like Croke Park and the Aviva. Reserves coming in for the day which means that full time Gardaí who were doing this work on overtime previously are left at home instead of getting 8/10 hours overtime on their rest Sunday. They are not supplementing, they are replacing.
    What good is giving Reserves Public Order powers? Are they prepared to take time off work while cases are prosecuted through the District Court and Circuit Court or will they just land the work in on top of the full time Garda?

    You have seem??? You are not a reserve or a full time member so how have you seen anything. If a GR makes an arrest it does not mean they have to turn up in court. Amy regular or reserve will know of the procedure I mean and this just reinforces my opinion the you are offering opinions on a subject which you are unqualified to do so.


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