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€65m on Irish road signs

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    #92
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Days 298 wrote: »
    I know. I wish there was.
    Why? In theory Irish could be completely removed from signs without a vote.


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    Days 298
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Why? In theory Irish could be completely removed from signs without a vote.

    But politicians won't do that. The only way irish would be knocked off signs would be if people asked for it in numbers. For now the only people interested in the signs are the irish language lobby.


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    #94
    Iwasfrozen
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    Days 298 wrote: »
    But politicians won't do that. The only way irish would be knocked off signs would be if people asked for it in numbers. For now the only people interested in the signs are the irish language lobby.
    But don't you see how important the article is? Even forget about road signs in the grand scheme they're not important, article 8.3 give state permission to use either language in any of it's official capacities. It practically invalidates 8.2 and 8.1.


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    #95
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    At least there'd be no labour costs in erecting them, just get a few Jobbridge lackeys in.


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    #96
    NuckingFacker
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    At least there'd be no labour costs in erecting them, just get a few Jobbridge lackeys in.
    Putting up road signs is only slightly less lucrative than owning a money printing machine. The rates charged for erecting a road sign are from the planet zog. Same goes for pretty much everything else associated with roads-maintenance. It's another world, a cosy world full of friends, departments with deep pockets, cartells and red-tape. Or so I'm told.


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    #97
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    NuckingFacker wrote: »
    Putting up road signs is only slightly less lucrative than owning a money printing machine. The rates charged for erecting a road sign are from the planet zog. Same goes for pretty much everything else associated with roads-maintenance. It's another world, a cosy world full of friends, departments with deep pockets, cartells and red-tape. Or so I'm told.

    Flowers and the like is brilliant one on a local level.


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    #98
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    rawn wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/green-light-for-plan-to-make-road-signs-more-irish-29736922.html



    Does anyone else see this as a massive waste of time and money? I still cannot understand why we cling to this dead language so fiercely. We live in a country where people either speak both Irish and English, or just English. We don't need Irish translations everywhere. Don't get me started on the pointlessness of mandatorily teaching it in schools :rolleyes: Surely it's time we stopped fighting to keep the Irish language relevant?
    Those signs are so much easier to read than the current ones, ignore the politics of the language for a moment and just look at the readability.


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    #99
    fits
    Registered Users Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Rabble rabble rabble. I've never read as much bruscar in my life.

    We have TWO official languages in Ireland

    Bilingual roadsigns are nothing unusual around Europe.

    These signs did not cost 65 million euro. They are being brought in gradually as the old ones need replacing!

    And they are a lot better and clearer in my opinion at least.


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    #100
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    fits wrote: »
    Bilingual roadsigns are nothing unusual around Europe.
    Ah that's all right then. As long as they do it in Europe.


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    #101
    JuliusCaesar
    Registered Users Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    Driveby Dogboy wrote: »
    thats a bit irish

    I never heard this expression till I emigrated to England in the 70s. But why do IRISH people use it so pejoratively against themselves? What other nation or people would say something like this against themselves? Are we so colonialised that we accept and internalise the oppressors prejudice as regards our inferiority?

    It is like somebody having poor self-esteem, but an entire nation!:eek:


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    #102
    fits
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    Finnish and Swedish.

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=finnish+roadsigns&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=60E79A9B51440284757A413B3109BFA2C988988F&selectedIndex=14


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    #103
    fits
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    French and catalan.
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=catalonia+roadsign&go=&qs=ds&form=QBIR#view=detail&id=9A8DFA92789E8D794B78EBAE5FAC5D86D65BB4D6&selectedIndex=4


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    #104
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    JuliusCaesar wrote: »
    I never heard this expression till I emigrated to England in the 70s. But why do IRISH people use it so pejoratively against themselves? What other nation or people would say something like this against themselves? Are we so colonialised that we accept and internalise the oppressors prejudice as regards our inferiority?

    It is like somebody having poor self-esteem, but an entire nation!:eek:
    Don't be silly, I don't have low self esteem but I still know I'm a gob ****é. You are too even if you don't know it.


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    #105
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    fits wrote: »
    Finnish and Swedish.

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=finnish+roadsigns&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=60E79A9B51440284757A413B3109BFA2C988988F&selectedIndex=14
    English:
    http://www.ukma.org.uk/sites/default/files/images/transport_road_signs_5.gif

    German:
    http://www.sixtharmygroup.com/portal/cpg/albums/userpics/10659/Road%20sign%20Sparks~0.JPG

    Arab:
    http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1401/1454665383_b725832449_z.jpg

    Hindustani:
    http://indianfunnypicture.com/img/2012/10/Funny-Indian-Hindi-Road-Signs-Boards.jpg


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    #106
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Ah that's all right then. As long as they do it in Europe.
    They do it all over the UK too!


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    #107
    fits
    Registered Users Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭fits


    And these countries have how many official languages???


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    #108
    Iwasfrozen
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    They do it all over the UK too!
    The UK is in Europe. We have bilingual signs here, if anything we should be making Irish language names smaller to compensate for their longer names.


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    #109
    Iwasfrozen
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    fits wrote: »
    And these countries have how many official languages???
    Look up article 8.3 of the constitution, what does it say? The government has no obligation to pursue this folly.


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    #110
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    As suspected, Kilmacanog (previously Kilmaconogue) was just the tip of the iceberg. The countdown to 2016 is well under way ;)


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    #111
    DDC1990
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    So the €65 million would have to be spent anyway regardless of the design of the signs.

    And the Signs actually look better and are easier for the motorists to read.

    But the Irish is more prominent so fúck you Government/Conradh/Gaeilgóirí. You are wasting €65 million on a dead language, could be better off spent on healthcare instead of propping up a dead language, etc. rabble rabble.

    Just another day in AH.


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    #112
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The UK is in Europe. We have bilingual signs here, if anything we should be making Irish language names smaller to compensate for their longer names.
    Don't you want Ireland to join a United Kingdom? Seeing as they have bilingual signs the easiest way to progress towards your goal is to show the English/Scots/Welsh that we are capable of the same open mindedness as they possess.


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    #113
    Iwasfrozen
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Don't you want Ireland to join a United Kingdom? Seeing as they have bilingual signs the easiest way to progress towards your goal is to show the English/Scots/Welsh that we are capable of the same open mindedness as they possess.
    I toyed with the idea for long enough to post a reply but it's hardly my life passion.


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    #114
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I toyed with the idea for long enough to post a reply but it's hardly my life passion.
    So you're saying that you lack the British sense of fair play? Very good then!


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    #115
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    So you're saying that you lack the British sense of fair play? Very good then!
    It's not about fair play, the language, culture or any other such nonsense. It's about safety. The exact reason we have smaller print for Irish names as things stand.


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    #116
    JuliusCaesar
    Registered Users Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Don't be silly, I don't have low self esteem but I still know I'm a gob ****é. You are too even if you don't know it.

    I'm glad you have insight, but I still am an expert in my field. Sad for you though. :D


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    #117
    fits
    Registered Users Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not about fair play, the language, culture or any other such nonsense. It's about safety. The exact reason we have smaller print for Irish names as things stand.

    *snirk* ah go on.. pull the other one :D


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    #118
    JuliusCaesar
    Registered Users Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I toyed with the idea for long enough to post a reply but it's hardly my life passion.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not about fair play, the language, culture or any other such nonsense. It's about safety. The exact reason we have smaller print for Irish names as things stand.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Don't be silly, I don't have low self esteem but I still know I'm a gob ****é. You are too even if you don't know it.

    I'm glad you have insight*, but I still am an expert in my field. Sad for you though. :D


    *you don't.


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    #119
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    fits wrote: »
    *snirk* ah go on.. pull the other one :D
    Believe what you want it's not my place to convince you otherwise.


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    #120
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    I think an interesting analogy would be the Gaelige Vs English options on Cash Point Machines (ATMs).

    Hom many people choose the Gaelige (instead of English) option when doing an ATM transaction?


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    #121
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not about fair play, the language, culture or any other such nonsense. It's about safety. The exact reason we have smaller print for Irish names as things stand.
    Nope, your lack of the famed British sense of fair play makes you anti-British. I shall not be taking any of your posts seriously. You sir are a spoofer!


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