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Is gay marriage a threat to humanity?

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    #62
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Min wrote: »
    Not having gay marriage in law is not discrimination..

    It very clearly is.
    Min wrote: »
    Are gay couples going to say that now that nature itself must change as it discriminates against them when it comes to having children that are biologically from both of the gay couple?..

    A non sequitur.
    Min wrote: »
    I think the threat is everyone feeling they have some right to this, that and the other, that all traditions must be swept out, otherwise these new discriminations are invented as everything must be homogenised...

    People thinking they have rights? That'll lead to trouble.

    I don't see how the tradition of men and women getting married is in anyway to be "swept out". Being gay is not mandatory.

    Min wrote: »

    Anyway, the world is in a mess and it's getting worse, whether that is due to how society has gone is another matter.

    The usual 'golden age' crapology which displays a truly woejous lack of historical knowledge.


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    #63
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


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    #64
    MagicSean
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    I don't understand the attraction to the word marriage. I'd be perfectly happy with a civil partnership. I associate the word marriage with the religious ceremony.


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    #65
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Min wrote: »
    The church gets it's teaching on homosexuality from the bible where it states homosexual sex is a sin. The church will not change it's view as the bible will not be changing it's text, just as the rules of nature only allow for human life to be created naturally via a male/female relationship, to some that may be discrimination but it is no different to Pope Benedict being against gay marriage when the rules of the bible only allow for male/female marriage.

    What a foolish thing to say. The Church has a long history of not holding itself to it's own standards. It will happily change it's view when the Church or it's reputation will be directly affected.


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    #66
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Definitely. What with the media's gay agenda - token gay on Eastenders etc - the gayness is spreading like wildfire, and before we know it, we'll all be gay, and... bam! No more kids!


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    #67
    stoneill
    Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭stoneill


    It's all about ridin'

    If you like ridin' blokes then ride blokes.
    If you like ridin' women, then ride women.

    If your a priest - stop ridin' what your ridin'


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    #68
    KeithAFC
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    Who cares what the Pope says or Rome.


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    #69
    Johro
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    efb wrote: »
    Well I used think it was Holy C as in "Catholic"- kinda like Special K...
    ..unt. :D


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    #70
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Min wrote:
    Anyway, the world is in a mess and it's getting worse, whether that is due to how society has gone is another matter.
    Oh for the days of children being sent to sweep chimneys, life expectancy being one's 30s, torture being run of the mill state punishment, etc etc...


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    #71
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Who cares what the Pope says or Rome.
    Even if you fully agree with it...


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    #72
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Dudess wrote: »
    Even if you fully agree with it...
    No.


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    #73
    TylerIE
    Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I don't understand the attraction to the word marriage. I'd be perfectly happy with a civil partnership. I associate the word marriage with the religious ceremony.

    If the State offers Marriage then it should be open to all consenting adult couples.

    If it offers Civil Partnerships then they it shouldnt be a second class half marriage different titled issue.

    In many of the US States where there is equal in all but name CP one of the massive issues is that hospitals, solicitors, schools, etc dont know the difference when someone says one is CP'd not married, and even occasionally people choose to make it more difficult. If it was one status for everybody then there wouldnt be those problems.


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    #74
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Anyone who does not want gay marriage don't enter one


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    #75
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Dudess wrote: »
    Even if you fully agree with it...
    No.
    That's just silly - dismissing something you agree with for sectarian reasons.


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    #76
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Dudess wrote: »
    That's just silly - dismissing something you agree with for sectarian reasons.
    What are you on about? I don't care about gay marriage or disagree with it. They can do what they want.


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    #77
    Duggy747
    Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    For once, I agree with the pope. The gays do destroy the idea of marriage.

    I mean, there's so many shining examples of a natural marriage between a man and a woman like the recent high profile weddings of Sinead O'Connor and Kim Kardashian..........


    Oh......


    Wait a minute........


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    #78
    EGAR
    Registered Users Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    Originally Posted by Min
    Are gay couples going to say that now that nature itself must change as it discriminates against them when it comes to having children that are biologically from both of the gay couple?..

    THAT made me laugh out loud and I frightened the sleeping dogs :D. Because the same applies to many many straight couples. But that is ok, because they are straight, eh? Say hello to your wife and my kids, ok?


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    #79
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Who cares what the Pope says or Rome.

    Catholics
    TylerIE wrote: »
    If the State offers Marriage then it should be open to all consenting adult couples.

    If it offers Civil Partnerships then they it shouldnt be a second class half marriage different titled issue.

    In many of the US States where there is equal in all but name CP one of the massive issues is that hospitals, solicitors, schools, etc dont know the difference when someone says one is CP'd not married, and even occasionally people choose to make it more difficult. If it was one status for everybody then there wouldnt be those problems.

    I don't think the state should offer marriage. Leave that to the religious folk. A civil partnership should be sufficient for all legal and tax reasons. Ironically my sexual orientation prevents me from entering a civil partnership.


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    #80
    starbelgrade
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    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Forcing a young teenage boy to join Hitler Youth does not make someone a Nazi


    He was young, it's not something you can use decades later

    Maybe so, but I'd like to hear his excuse then for being;

    a). A homophobe

    b). Aiding the spread of HIV in Africa by telling African Catholics that they should not use condoms

    c). Aiding & abetting the cover up of systematic child abuse in his organisation

    Here is a man who claims himself to be a Christian, yet there is nothing Christian about how he leads his life - in fact his dogmatic, intolerant, bully boy nature is more akin to the ways of the Nazis than a Christ-like belief in all that is noble & good.

    When he was elected Pope however, I was happy - happy to see that the Church had given up any hope on trying to feign any signs that their interests were based around humanity. The resounding cry from this out-dated hierarchy is that their main focus is & always has been one of authority.

    At least for that tiny shred of honesty, we can be grateful because it allows more & more people to realise that this is an organisation that deserves no place or respect in the modern world as it is belongs in the Dark Ages.


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    #81
    Locker10a
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    the catholic church also said the same thing about contraception! That it would end humanity and destroy marriage and family! HA ! How wrong they were ! That was 30 years ago and since that the world population has been on the rise and its not slowing down !
    At this stage the Catholic Church are so out of touch with reality its not even a joke anymore!


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    #82
    later12
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    Scrawny71 wrote: »
    Factually incorrect, perhaps; but not ridiculous, IMO. They have extreme right-wing Catholicism in common, and Pope Ben's casuistry regarding gay marriage is the kind of thing you'd expect to hear from a tyrannical regime, eg that of Robert Mugabe (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/8912132/Mugabe-calls-David-Cameron-satanic-for-backing-gay-rights.html)
    I have to agree with this. Totalitarian regimes have often been so ineffably cruel that we have placed them 'a cut above' plain old fashioned bigotry and sectarianism. We even invoke things like Godwin's Law to scoff at any attempt to draw parallels with Nazi totalitarianism, when genuine parallels are exactly what we should be looking out for and highlighting.

    It's gotten to the stage where the whole point of Godwin's law - to poke fun at irrational and petty online comparisons with fascism - has precluded virtually any kind of valid comparison at all.

    The fact is that there is a common thread running throughout 20th century totalitarianism which remains firmly embedded in Roman Catholic (and to some extent wider Christian) moral philosophy and authoritarianism. This deserves to be addressed

    I firmly believe that the Papacy is the last great inheritor of the Totalitarian legacy. It won't be around forever. Despite popular misconception, it isn't a particularly old institution in the grand scheme of things. Some tremendous generation will have the honour of dismissing it altogether, sadly I fear it will not be ours who does so.

    Our disreputable fate, like the Germans of 1933, is to perpetuate it unto them who will be strong enough to have us rid of it.


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    #83
    starbelgrade
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    Someone is a lot more intelligent than I thought.


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    #84
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Someone is a lot more intelligent than I thought.

    Why thank you.:D


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    #85
    Tonyandthewhale
    Registered Users Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭Tonyandthewhale


    efb wrote: »
    Well I used think it was Holy C as in "Catholic"- kinda like Special K...

    Does the 'K' in special K actually stand for anything?


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    #86
    Babybuff
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    don't think anyone really gives a toss what "the ghey" do.


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    #87
    EGAR
    Registered Users Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    Tonyandthewhale wrote: »
    Does the 'K' in special K actually stand for anything?

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_special_k_what_does_the_k_stand_for


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    #88
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Locker10a wrote: »
    the catholic church also said the same thing about contraception! That it would end humanity and destroy marriage and family! HA ! How wrong they were ! That was 30 years ago and since that the world population has been on the rise and its not slowing down !
    At this stage the Catholic Church are so out of touch with reality its not even a joke anymore!

    I looked it up (just cos I'm that kind of pedantic A-Hole)



    Contraception began to become available in Ireland (26 counties) in the late 1970s
    Population of Ireland in 1970 = 2,950,100
    Current population of Ireland = 4,581,269

    Does that contraception thing actually work? :confused: :eek:


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    #89
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    later10 wrote: »
    I have to agree with this. Totalitarian regimes have often been so ineffably cruel that we have placed them 'a cut above' plain old fashioned bigotry and sectarianism. We even invoke things like Godwin's Law to scoff at any attempt to draw parallels with Nazi totalitarianism, when genuine parallels are exactly what we should be looking out for and highlighting.

    It's gotten to the stage where the whole point of Godwin's law - to poke fun at irrational and petty online comparisons with fascism - has precluded virtually any kind of valid comparison at all.

    The fact is that there is a common thread running throughout 20th century totalitarianism which remains firmly embedded in Roman Catholic (and to some extent wider Christian) moral philosophy and authoritarianism. This deserves to be addressed
    Er...much and all as I'm against many aspects of the Church's general moral outlook, you do realise some of, if not the most brutal totalitarian regimes enforced atheism and forbade any form of religion?

    Authoritarianism is an element of Catholicism, but it is not peculiar to the religion, nor Christianity either for that matter.


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    later12
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    Pace2008 wrote: »
    you do realise some of, if not the most brutal totalitarian regimes enforced atheism and forbade any form of religion?
    You mean that they enforced their movement as being the only true source of moral philosophy or outlook?

    Yes, I do know that.

    The point is not that the 20th century totalitarians were religious, the point is that the Roman Catholic Church embodies many of the totalitarian characteristics of a 20th century regime.


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    #91
    krudler
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    Tonyandthewhale wrote: »
    Does the 'K' in special K actually stand for anything?

    Kan't believe idiots think this sh1t is good for you


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