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Victory for electoral fraud

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I wonder would the media be lavishing praise on those citizens coming home if they were Irish Americans from red states. It's not about the result. It's not about what way they were likely to vote. It's that it was happening and all our politicians and media outlets celebrated it.

    They were celebrating the fact people actually gave a **** about voting. In fact; that people cared so much that they even travelled across the world and used up time off work to do so.

    But you go ahead and get your panties in a twist over an antiquated voting law which sets an arbitrary limit to the amount of time you can seemingly be considered "Irish" for the purposes of a referendum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Am I saying that?? All I am saying is that the system church is insecure and broken.

    Fixed your post.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,266 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    The taste of salt is palpable


  • Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    But that didn't happen and couldn't happen because they'd never have been resident in Ireland. Again no proof that those that did return were gone longer than 18 months.

    A lot of them openly stated how long they have been gone for on RTE! For example, agroup of lads said that they have been living in London for eight years and returned to vote.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭Señor Fancy Pants


    Tis a great day for Ireland and human rights. Ya don't like it, may I suggest you move to sunny Turkmenistan.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    where the figure of 66,000 come from. It sounds like a hell of a lot to me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    I hear Ashgabat is lovely this time of year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    where the figure of 66,000 come from. It sounds like a hell of a lot to me

    Its the number of people who registered to vote I believe.

    All of them are evil foreigners and people who havent lived in the country for years of course according to the OP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    ronivek wrote: »

    But you go ahead and get your panties in a twist over an antiquated voting law which sets an arbitrary limit to the amount of time you can seemingly be considered "Irish" for the purposes of a referendum.

    Nothing antiquated about the electoral act. With the number of Irish born emigrants and Irish citizens by descent around the world, if we allowed them to vote they could potentially have more of a say in the running of the Irish state than the Irish citizens actually living here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    And the polling station guy/gal would have presumably sad "Sorry folks, your name's not down, you're not comin' in."

    Do you think people are automatically struck off the electoral register once they leave the state or something?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭emigrate2012


    It's not just one or two. The system is broken and there is widespread shenanigans going on.

    Crawl back under your rock ffs,any proof of these shenanigans??? 14 odd hours after the ballot and you're slinging some serious sh!t there pal....

    If I were to marry a bloke tommorow, what DIRECT effect would it have on YOU??
    Nothing whatsoever.....
    The people have spoken, equality for all at last.

    Look outside,it's a beautiful day go out and enjoy it and stop stirring sh!the.

    I for one am gonna go into the city tonight, cos there's gonna be one hell of a hooley!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    A lot of them openly stated how long they have been gone for on RTE! For example, agroup of lads said that they have been living in London for eight years and returned to vote.

    Report them for electoral fraud then. Doesn't invalidate the rights of those who were entitled to vote returning and doing so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    What it has shown is the hypocrisy more than anything. The yes campaigns dirty preachy tactics


    but even funnier they scream for equality for all. Yet its obvious they only mean for the gays. If your under 35 you dont deserve to be treated equally and have a chance of presidency. That has been trounced. Now they say how great we are at treating people equally. Hypocritical bandwagon jumping at its finest :D.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    Do you think people are automatically struck off the electoral register once they leave the state or something?
    You need your polling card. Why the absolute longing to believe there were polling booth shenanigans?


  • Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Triangla


    What this referendum has highlighted even more clearly is the lack of security in our electoral system, how broken and open to abuse it is.

    66,000 non-residents return to vote yes. Enda is overjoyed.

    Non-Irish registered and voting and proud.

    Is there a figure on non residents who came home to vote no?

    IMHO if you have an Irish passport you should have a right to vote in every election.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jaymcg91


    You need your polling card. Why the absolute longing to believe there were polling booth shenanigans?

    Because hateful people are desperate to believe their stance isn't shared by the "silent" majority :D. Obviously not such a majority :D.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    What it has shown is the hypocrisy more than anything. The yes campaigns dirty preachy tactics


    but even funnier they scream for equality for all. Yet its obvious they only mean for the gays. If your under 35 you dont deserve to be treated equally and have a chance of presidency. That has been trounced. Now they say how great we are at treating people equally. Hypocritical bandwagon jumping at its finest :D.

    The Yes campaign for SSM weren't involved in the presidency age vote so why are you blaming it on them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    What it has shown is the hypocrisy more than anything. The yes campaigns dirty preachy tactics
    Like what? And what about the no campaign ones? Oh they're ok because you agree with them.
    but even funnier they scream for equality for all. Yet its obvious they only mean for the gays. If your under 35 you dont deserve to be treated equally and have a chance of presidency. That has been trounced. Now they say how great we are at treating people equally. Hypocritical bandwagon jumping at its finest :D.
    The flaws of your "hypocrisy" bullsh-t argument have been exposed numerous times. People aged 21 just out of college are not deemed suitable for any job, so it's hardly unreasonable not to consider them suitable for being a senior civil servant/diplomat.
    Adults who want to marry each other should be able to marry each other.

    You disapprove of homosexuality as is your right, but resorting to nonsense arguments is pointless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Every last straw shall be clutched before you can rest OP? Best of luck


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    The Yes campaign for SSM weren't involved in the presidency age vote so why are you blaming it on them?

    The yes campaign are screaming how everyone is treated equal now. Thats clearly false but ya cant expect them on two soapboxes at once. Its funny.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    You need your polling card. Why the absolute longing to believe there were polling booth shenanigans?

    Because people admitted to it on the Finnucane show this morning and when being interviewed by RTE. Again, how would the state know that youre not resident and fail to issue a polling card to your address?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Like what? And what about the no campaign ones? Oh they're ok because you agree with them.

    The flaws of your "hypocrisy" bullsh-t argument have been exposed numerous times. People aged 21 just out of college are not deemed suitable for any job, so it's hardly unreasonable not to consider them suitable for being a senior civil servant/diplomat.
    Adults who want to marry each other should be able to marry each other.

    You disapprove of homosexuality as is your right, but resorting to nonsense arguments is pointless.

    Not suitable for any job? What about having a 1.1 degree? Its called ageism to discriminate based on age but ah shur we equality leaders now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Nothing antiquated about the electoral act. With the number of Irish born emigrants and Irish citizens by descent around the world, if we allowed them to vote they could potentially have more of a say in the running of the Irish state than the Irish citizens actually living here.

    Considering the amount of travel that professionals are in many cases required to do these days, and considering the fact we've just come out of a recession which forced many people abroad whether they really wanted to or not; I'm inclined to disagree with you about its relevance.

    In any event you are correct that it is illegal; but at the same time you have virtually no evidence that even one person actually voted illegally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    How about the no voters suck it up and stop throwing tantrums?

    If you feel laws have been broken, go to the police.

    Otherwise, shut up and accept you lost


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 323 ✭✭emigrate2012


    What it has shown is the hypocrisy more than anything. The yes campaigns dirty preachy tactics


    but even funnier they scream for equality for all. Yet its obvious they only mean for the gays. If your under 35 you dont deserve to be treated equally and have a chance of presidency. That has been trounced. Now they say how great we are at treating people equally. Hypocritical bandwagon jumping at its finest :D.

    I voted yes for that,but tbh it's obvious that people think 21 is too young/immature to be president annnnd they're probably right.I think the whole marriage thing is a much bigger issue for equal rights no?
    Its a democratic referendum, the people have voted get over,you've no yes/no side to attack,it looks like it's gonna pass.get over it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    What it has shown is the hypocrisy more than anything. The yes campaigns dirty preachy tactics


    but even funnier they scream for equality for all. Yet its obvious they only mean for the gays. If your under 35 you dont deserve to be treated equally and have a chance of presidency. That has been trounced. Now they say how great we are at treating people equally. Hypocritical bandwagon jumping at its finest :D.

    Idiotic post. In what way are the two related?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    The yes campaign are screaming how everyone is treated equal now. Thats clearly false but ya cant expect them on two soapboxes at once. Its funny.

    In terms of having equal legal regnition yes now we are all equal.
    Going by your logic we should reduce the drinking age to 12 so shall we? Ya know equality and all that. How about age of consent? Sure we might as well let everyone have a go.
    Ejit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    The yes campaign are screaming how everyone is treated equal now. Thats clearly false but ya cant expect them on two soapboxes at once. Its funny.

    It is equal everyone can once they are 35. Same as you legally become an adult under Irish law at 18.

    You'd probably question who has the right to decide that age. It could be 17,19 or 21 but it's 18 and it's 18 for everyone.

    You can't join the army or get a drivers license until you are 17, you want to lower that age for equality?

    There is your quality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom




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  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭Depraved


    I'm thinking that this thread would not have been created had the 'No' campaign been successful.


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