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Chisora slapped Vitali at the weigh-in

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    #332
    RiseToTheTop
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    No, Chisora before the annoucment had very good rounds while Vitali wasn't throwing his jab nor attacking for those previous rounds, yet Chisora got none of them.

    The bias is so affluent in Germany, no wonder the Klitschko don't fight outside often. (or in the case of "Cautious Wladimir", never at all.) Wladimir putting down Haye by saying "he wants to go to Hollywood", whilst the Klitschko's star in TV commercials, appear on products, the whole 9 yards.

    I wonder how history will look upon 2 Heavyweight Champions refusing to fight each other for the first time ever. It isn't one dodging the other, it's the 2 champions dodging each other. That is something.

    I hope the view will be negative. The sooner America produces Heavyweight talent, keep the line of Dempsey/Louis/Marciano/Liston/Ali/Frazier/Foreman/Norton/Holmes/Tyson/Holyfield/Bowe going the better. Then these foreigners can come over to Madison Square Garden and fight on fair terms, instead of cowering in these own little square, knowing they can't lose their titles.

    "Vitali Klitschko has never lost a round ever since his comeback". They couldn't have put it more correctly.


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    #333
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    I don't think you really think about things before you make quotes.

    The quote was used as a vehicle to show it was you I was talking to. Simples!
    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    I had it close. I had Chisora slightly behind and looking better, around the 8th/9th. But I feel when the extreme bias came out in the public announcment of the scores (and the entire stadium chanted, despite Ali at his most famous never having an entire stadium chant for him over such a trivial matter.), showing Chisora the mandatory 3 rounds down, and needing a KO, he slightlo lost hope.

    the term "clutching at straws" springs to mind.

    Chisora was never in charge of this fight. At no point did he ever look like he was going to win it! I agree that the scores were closer than the ones given, but Chisora never looked like the guy winning the fight up until the 9th round........ and you think the reason he didn't look like that in the latter rounds was because of the score announcement?

    Not a hope!


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    #334
    gene_tunney
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    No, Chisora before the annoucment had very good rounds while Vitali wasn't throwing his jab nor attacking for those previous rounds, yet Chisora got none of them.

    The bias is so affluent in Germany    , no wonder the Klitschko don't fight outside often. (or in the case of "Cautious Wladimir", never at all.) Wladimir putting down Haye by saying "he wants to go to Hollywood", whilst the Klitschko's star in TV commercials, appear on products, the whole 9 yards.

    I wonder how history will look upon 2 Heavyweight Champions refusing to fight each other for the first time ever. It isn't one dodging the other, it's the 2 champions dodging each other. That is something.

    I hope the view will be negative. The sooner America produces Heavyweight talent, keep the line of Dempsey/Louis/Marciano/Liston/Ali/Frazier/Foreman/Norton/Holmes/Tyson/Holyfield/Bowe going the better. Then these foreigners can come over to Madison Square Garden and fight on fair terms, instead of cowering in these own little square, knowing they can't lose their titles.

    "Vitali Klitschko has never lost a round ever since his comeback". They couldn't have put it more correctly.


    Tell me more about this "affluent bias".

    LOL


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    #335
    RiseToTheTop
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    So you are saying that the extreme bias in the public annoucment didn't discourage Chisora?


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    #336
    gene_tunney
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    So you are saying that the extreme bias in the public annoucment didn't discourage Chisora?

    I'm saying you don't know what the word "affluent" means.


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    #337
    RiseToTheTop
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    Affluent means generous.


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    #338
    MrStuffins
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    So you are saying that the extreme bias in the public annoucment didn't discourage Chisora?

    Very well could've been. Maybe, maybe not! But you're making the mistake of attributing causality to your hypothesis!

    But even if he was, you're still clutching at straws!


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    #339
    MrStuffins
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    Affluent means generous.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/affluent


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    #340
    RiseToTheTop
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    Affluent means generous.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/affluent

    It depends upon the situation it is used in. It is not used exclusively to describe wealth.

    Let's keep this going!


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    #341
    gene_tunney
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    It depends upon the situation it is used in. It is not used exclusively to describe wealth.

    Let's keep this going!

    I accept your point. :)


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    #342
    walshb
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    So you are saying that the extreme bias in the public annoucment didn't discourage Chisora?

    What?

    Was it bias because the first 4 rds happened to be dominated by Klit? Or was it bias because they simply read out the scores, which happened to be dominated by Klit?


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    #343
    RiseToTheTop
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    Vitali did good for the first 4, but then slowed down and Chisora came on.

    Chisora pressured Vitali a lot and threw many body punches, Vitali's right hand side was badly marked at one stage. The commentator on BoxNation even said "Is Vitali's age catching up with him" during all of this. The Co-commentator on BoxNation had Vitali only 2 points ahead after 8 rounds.

    And no he wasn't on acid. (at least to my knowledge :))


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    #344
    runboyrun
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    Vitali was definitely ahead after 8 rounds but not by the wide margins the judges had it.

    Germany is famous for terrible judging decisions. The old saying even if you ko your opponent in Germany you still might not get the decision.

    Calzaghe got a lot of stick for not fighting abroad until he finally did. The Klits are too protected. They are a money machine in Germany so it makes business sense but in terms of their legacy it will look bad.


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    #345
    walshb
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    Vitali did good for the first 4, but then slowed down and Chisora came on.

    Chisora pressured Vitali a lot and threw many body punches, Vitali's right hand side was badly marked at one stage. The commentator on BoxNation even said "Is Vitali's age catching up with him" during all of this. The Co-commentator on BoxNation had Vitali only 2 points ahead after 8 rounds.

    And no he wasn't on acid. (at least to my knowledge :))

    Smith was on something. He was well off with his views. His problem was that he didn't see a destruction, and he extrapolated this to come out with the "fight being close." It was never close. He saw Chisora moving forward, and then this suddenly became success in his world. Moving forward and throwing punches that are mostly missing, whilst getting tagged consistently, is for some mad reason, success in the eyes of Paul Smith and the other English commentator, oh, and you.


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    #346
    RiseToTheTop
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    Tagged consistently? WTH. Vitali wasn't even jabbing some rounds and I don't remember him landing too many flush right hands, Chisora wasn't rocked once in the fight. Vitali's power must really be draining.

    As I said, Vitali had a big red mark on the red hand side of his body from those Chisora body punches. That wasn't sunburn.


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    #347
    walshb
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    Tagged consistently? WTH. Vitali wasn't even jabbing some rounds and I don't remember him landing too many flush right hands, Chisora wasn't rocked once in the fight. Vitali's power must really be draining.

    As I said, Vitali had a big red mark on the red hand side of his body from those Chisora body punches. That wasn't sunburn.

    So he landed a few body shots. Big deal. I mean, Vit has a lot of body to hit.

    So, what was your score?

    Rds wise, and overall punches landed? To me it was a clear cut win. Not at all close in both categories.


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    #348
    RiseToTheTop
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8YdjpWrDFc


    15:40 in is the 6th round. Tell me what you see.

    In that round you can see Klitschko's wife jumping out of her seat screaming.


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    #349
    MrStuffins
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    Tagged consistently? WTH. Vitali wasn't even jabbing some rounds and I don't remember him landing too many flush right hands, Chisora wasn't rocked once in the fight. Vitali's power must really be draining.

    As I said, Vitali had a big red mark on the red hand side of his body from those Chisora body punches. That wasn't sunburn.

    So Chisora wasn't rcked once and actually PUNCHED Vitali and left a mark............ so what?

    He didn't win the fight! Nobody had his winning the fight. Not at any point! Even Chisora's ma sitting at home would've had Chisora ahead ot any point.

    So what are you still moaning about. He lost He was never gonna win! Let it go! There's no controversy!


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    #350
    RiseToTheTop
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    walshb wrote: »
    So he landed a few body shots. Big deal. I mean, Vit has a lot of body to hit.

    So, what was your score?

    Rds wise, and overall punches landed? To me it was a clear cut win. Not at all close in both categories.

    I agree Chisora lost the fight but I don't agree with you make it clearcut as you are making it.


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    #351
    runboyrun
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    Vitali won 8-4 but some of the rounds chisora lost were close.

    If Chisora was busier on the inside he could well have won. He seemed too hesitant and I feel he has a point when he said a lack of experience let him down.

    Vit is now there for the taking and I would definitely give Haye a chance.


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    #352
    RiseToTheTop
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    MrStuffins, you think Chisora didn't win one single round. I am no longer going to respond to your views.


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    #353
    MrStuffins
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    MrStuffins, you think Chisora didn't win one single round. I am no longer going to respond to your views.

    RiseToThe Top, you need to learn to read posts properly. Or at least learn to understand what people are saying to you.

    Where the hell did I say he didn't win one round? What are you on about?


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    #354
    RiseToTheTop
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So Chisora wasn't rcked once and actually PUNCHED Vitali and left a mark............ so what?

    He didn't win the fight! Nobody had his winning the fight. Not at any point! Even Chisora's ma sitting at home would've had Chisora ahead ot any point.

    So what are you still moaning about. He lost He was never gonna win! Let it go! There's no controversy!

    Read the bold/italic parts. You said that Chisora was not winning a single part of the fight.

    This insinuating he lost a very wide UD decision in your eyes.


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    walshb
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    He said not at any point. Never said he never won a rd. He may have won a rd, but never was Chisora ahead in that fight. From second 1 until second 2160 Chisora was never winning. Vitali was always ahead in those 2160 seconds.


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    #356
    MrStuffins
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    Read the bold/italic parts. You said that Chisora was not winning a single part of the fight.

    This insinuating he lost a very wide UD decision in your eyes.
    walshb wrote: »
    He said not at any point. Never said he never won a rd. He may have won a rd, but never was Chisora ahead in that fight. From second 1 until second 2160 Chisora was never winning. Vitali was always ahead in those 2160 seconds.

    I find it quite telling that I made a very very simple point, a point evidently understood by walshb, but somehow you failed to get your head around it................

    Either that or you understood but decided to try twist it for your own ends. Either way............. very telling!


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    #357
    RiseToTheTop
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    Oh look, you found out how to use quotes!!


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    #358
    MrStuffins
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    Oh look, you found out how to use quotes!!

    Yup. But you still haven't learned to read the posts of others.
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    The quote was used as a vehicle to show it was you I was talking to. Simples!

    Also... seriously? THAT'S your reply? :rolleyes:


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    #359
    sxt
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    RiseToTheTop wrote: »
    Tagged consistently? WTH. Vitali wasn't even jabbing some rounds and I don't remember him landing too many flush right hands, Chisora wasn't rocked once in the fight. Vitali's power must really be draining.

    As I said, Vitali had a big red mark on the red hand side of his body from those Chisora body punches. That wasn't sunburn.

    He wan't jabbing most of the rounds because he tore a ligament in his shoulder early on in the fight, leaving him with zero power in his left arm .With one arm , an over the hill Vitali beat Chisora 10 rounds to two


    No matter if that fight was fought in Japan or London, Vitali won that fight by a very wide margin


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    #360
    sxt
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    runboyrun wrote: »

    I would definitely give Haye a chance.

    Did you see his last couple of fights..?


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    #361
    runboyrun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭runboyrun


    sxt wrote: »
    Did you see his last couple of fights..?

    Yes seen their fights

    Haye blitzed Harrison and Ruiz showing great power, before his loss to Vlad

    Vitali beat a cruiser and a few bums

    It was obvious that Vit is slowing down and his advanced age is starting to become a factor. Only a fool wouldn't admit that

    I feel Haye's speed and power could get a win

    Vit is not as fast on his feet or as athlethic as Vlad so I don't see him being able to stalk haye as well as Vlad did or I don't see him being able to react as well as his reflexes are slowing. Chisora caught Vit clean a couple of times and he's relatively slow compared to Haye


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