[johnny_ultimate]

Originally Posted by Bullseye1

Where you not shocked at the language and actions of a young child? I was both shocked and amused by the relationship between Cage and the young actress. There was also the hilarious scenes of the young guy standing up to the two car thiefs only to find it ain't like the comics.

You see for me the first half hour or so suggested that it was going to be more provocative than it actually was, but it eventually just became a standard superhero story like countless others. As said, I didn't hate it - Hit Girl is an interesting creation, and that dark warehouse scene is truly impressive. I just think the story overall felt half-assed, and wasn't convinced it the controversial elements (which really weren't all that controversial) existed for any other reason than mere shock value - which is a criticism I'd label at the abysmal Wanted comics too. Super, despite some annoyances, was much more willing to critique the actions of its 'heroes' and the genre overall, and felt like a much bolder and more insightful film on the whole. And, in much more IMO terms, I also found it funnier.

[Mickeroo]

Originally Posted by johnny_ultimate

You see for me the first half hour or so suggested that it was going to be more provocative than it actually was, but it eventually just became a standard superhero story like countless others. As said, I didn't hate it - Hit Girl is an interesting creation, and that dark warehouse scene is truly impressive. I just think the story overall felt half-assed, and wasn't convinced it the controversial elements (which really weren't all that controversial) existed for any other reason than mere shock value - which is a criticism I'd label at the abysmal Wanted comics too. Super, despite some annoyances, was much more willing to critique the actions of its 'heroes' and the genre overall, and felt like a much bolder and more insightful film on the whole. And, in much more IMO terms, I also found it funnier.

I think where Super edges Kick-Ass is that it never feels like its not set in the real world (though we could have done without some of the weirder stuff Spoiler: like the tentacles for example). Don't get me wrong, I loved Kick Ass, but there's a point in the film where it just becomes a fairly straight forward superhero film. Hit Girl is pretty much superhuman, Kick-Ass flies etc. where as in Super he's never anything but a nutjob with a wrench. The Kick-Ass comic handled the final act better I thought.Super's not perfect though, its a bit too tonally eneven imo, I kind of found myself hankering for a film which was closer in tone to the trailer.

As regards Mark Millar, I've liked most of his stuff. He's better when he's not trying to be overly subversive though, Superman: Red Son and The Ultimate are great.

[johnny_ultimate]

Originally Posted by Mickeroo

I think where Super edges Kick-Ass is that it never feels like its not set in the real world (though we could have done without some of the weirder stuff Spoiler: like the tentacles for example). Don't get me wrong, I loved Kick Ass, but there's a point in the film where it just becomes a fairly straight forward superhero film. Hit Girl is pretty much superhuman, Kick-Ass flies etc. where as in Super he's never anything but a nutjob with a wrench. The Kick-Ass comic handled the final act better I thought.Super's not perfect though, its a bit too tonally eneven imo, I kind of found myself hankering for a film which was closer in tone to the trailer.

Oh yeah, Super's imperfect, no doubt about it. A few awkward subplots and a fairly lame epilogue souring an otherwise excellent third act. Still, the films are unfortunately always directly compared - a section Super's wiki article is dedicated to its 'controversial' similarities to Kick Ass - and Super easily emerges stronger for me anyway. Pushes the central concept far further, and doesn't have ****ty jetpack effects

[krudler]

Originally Posted by johnny_ultimate

Oh yeah, Super's imperfect, no doubt about it. A few awkward subplots and a fairly lame epilogue souring an otherwise excellent third act. Still, the films are unfortunately always directly compared - a section Super's wiki article is dedicated to its 'controversial' similarities to Kick Ass - and Super easily emerges stronger for me anyway. Pushes the central concept far further, and doesn't have ****ty jetpack effects

it does have Ellen Page though

[briany]

It really depends what you want from a loser-cum-superhero film, doesn't it? If you want it to be about the futility of one person lashing out at the evil they see in modern society, then yeah, I think Super edges it. I think Super does suffer a lot from indie disease, though. The crayon sketches that Wilson's character does of the two high points in his life and keeps around being a prime example.

[losthorizon]

Originally Posted by Bullseye1

But that will be yours and many others opinion. there will be some people who will think that they are great. Just as for example many people think Enter the Dragon is great. Art of which cinema is a part of is always subjective. Some people think Black Swan is great. I don't, I personally think that the lead actress is incredibly limited yet she won the Oscar. Baffling to me but others feel it was justified.

I agree totally. But, some films age and some films don't and that's the difference. The Third Man is still a brilliant film even though it was made in the 1940s, Dr Jeykll and Mr Hyde is still a brilliant film even though it was made in the 1930s. Yet others were forgotten which you and I have forgotten about.

It will be the same about every years crop of films. The problem I find is that there is a load of films I want to go and see but my local cinema doesn't show them.

[Bullseye1]

Unfortunately distribution and lack of profits on many films means we never get to see them at our local screens.

[CL7]

True Grit: Great film. Anything the Coens make is golden imo.

Drive: Was blown away by this from start to finish. Last time a film had this much of an affect on me was when I saw Lost in translation for the first time. It hard to explain why but some films just connect with you on another level. This was one of them for me.

Super 8: There were many problems with this film but I'm a huge nostalgia junkie so I overlooked them. I loved it.

Antichrist: Masterclass from Lars Von Tier.












































lol just kidding about Antichrist. It was a load of old arse.

Edit: Awww crap. Antichrist was 2009 but point still stands.

[marienbad]

Originally Posted by don ramo

schindlers list, casino, terminator 2, forrest gump, leon, american history x, all off the top of my head, the 90s produced a lot of great films,

who hasnt seen the shawshank redemption, some people moan due to its over exposure (others just dont like it), but it is considered one of the greatest films due to the fact that it appeals to such an enormous group of people, and is brilliantly told,

id probably sit down at any stage and watch any of them films, although probably not schindler list, as great as it is, its not one for hugh rewatchability, and just cause you cant watch a film 20 times doesn't make it any less great,

i think most, if not all the films i posted earlier in the thread would be great films to watch in 50 years, there all great films made by people with genuine love for what they were doing and i think it translated brilliantly onto film,

Funny how tastes differ - the only film I would regard as great would be Schindler's List ( and for historical reasons rather than cinematic) and possibly Casino and T2 - the others - leon, forest gump , american history x are terrible manipulative crap . But the worst ''great movie'' ever made is without question The Shawshank Redemption closely followed by The Green Mile - and that Frank Darabont is such a supercilious twat I want to throw crap at the tv.

Now to put this into some perspective I don't rate Monty Python either and I always suspect that it is just an intellectual snobbery that keeps those films up there. Quentin Tarantino is another overated hack with a couple of excellent efforts to his name and an awful lot of dross .

Maybe it is just me ?

[OldeCinemaSoz]

there's some great films out there but if you only look in the cineplex or whatever it's called then you won't find them.

and probably not in the xrtathing either.


one place i was impressed with recently on a nosey was
in ranelagh, laser i think..

tons and tons of stuff. but only for rental.