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Would you like to leave the Catholic Church?

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    #62
    Rockn
    Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭Rockn


    I'm not bothered. I don't consider being splashed with water a binding contract.


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    #63
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    No.


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    #64
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Witchie wrote: »
    I insist in Hospitals etc that they put me down as no religion but have had to fight with many nurses to ensure they do. Thankfully in recent years they are starting to listen to me.

    I had a fairly long argument with a nurse because my mother told them I was catholic and I said I wasn't. The nurse thought "but your mother knows what's best for you" would change my mind.

    My uncle also had to call hospital security to remove a priest that tried to visit him a week before he died.


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    #65
    the culture of deference
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭the culture of deference


    Crea wrote: »
    TBH I don't believe in fundatmental parts of the religion like transubstantiation and that Mary was born without sin so i'd prefer to opt out. I think that's a good enough reason.

    Mary wasn't born.
    GarIT wrote: »
    My uncle also had to call hospital security to remove a priest that tried to visit him a week before he died.

    Thats the priests motto, Get them when they are down.


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    #66
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Stopped going to mass when I was 13/14 (other than Christmas which would done purely as a traditional thing and I haven't even done that in a while). Don't need a letter from anyone to tell me that I've left. I've left in my own head and that's what matters to me.


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    #67
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,974 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Knowing my luck, the day after telling them I've quit, they'll be handing out free Beemers. I'll hedge my bets for a little while longer.


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    #68
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    i dont see how its a big deal its only religion the church never really asks for anything so i might as wel stay just to be safe


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    #69
    marty1985
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    the culture of deference wrote: »
    Mary wasn't born.


    What do you mean?


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    #70
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    i dont see how its a big deal its only religion the church never really asks for anything so i might as wel stay just to be safe

    what do you think the vatican was built from? well wishes and prayers?


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    #71
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    marty1985 wrote: »
    What do you mean?

    She's not real....


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    #72
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    krudler wrote: »
    what do you think the vatican was built from? well wishes and prayers?

    the vatician was there before the catholic church
    the church does ask for donations and i wont defend them because I'm not that religious but you dont have to give anything in return for membership you dont even have to go. (how would you actually leave besides just not calling your selve a catholic )


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    #73
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    the church does ask for donations and i wont defend them because I'm not that religious but you dont have to give anything in return for membership you dont even have to go.

    you get nothing in return for giving them your time.


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    #74
    MugMugs
    Registered Users Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    smash wrote: »
    you get nothing in return for giving them your time.

    Do you not still get Spiritual healing and the ocassional newsletter?


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    #75
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    MugMugs wrote: »
    Do you not still get Spiritual healing and the ocassional newsletter?

    Spiritual healing.... you crack me up man. You probably have to pay for the newsletter though.


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    #76
    ProfessorWeeto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭ProfessorWeeto


    The Poll stands at:

    Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church - 75.65%
    No I would not like to leave the Catholic Church - 13.91%
    I have never been a member of the Catholic Church 10.43%

    Why am I not suprised to see "Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church" topping the polls at 75%? Would I actually be wrong to think the 'anti chruch' athiests we see on here voted in option 1, even tho they arent apart of the church :rolleyes: .. can't pass up an opportunity to try and make Ireland seem more people are favoring no religion these days (sure, there was a big debate by them about the census last week :rolleyes:)


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    #77
    the culture of deference
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭the culture of deference


    marty1985 wrote: »
    What do you mean?



    Mary’s birth, which is not contained in Scripture, but the sanctity of which is attested by the words of the angel Gabriel.

    It would take many centuries, though, for the Catholic Church to recognize the Immaculate Conception as a doctrine, and many more before Pope Pius IX, on December 8, 1854, would declare it a dogma.

    There is no biblical support or scriptural basis for the Immaculate Conception of Mary doctrine.


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    #78
    marty1985
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    the culture of deference wrote: »
    The first mention of this is in the 6th century, the feast spread to Rome in the seventh century, and the west much later.

    Mary’s birth, which is not contained in Scripture, but the sanctity of which is attested by the words of the angel Gabriel.

    It would take many centuries, though, for the Catholic Church to recognize the Immaculate Conception as a doctrine, and many more before Pope Pius IX, on December 8, 1854, would declare it a dogma.

    There is no biblical support or scriptural basis for the Immaculate Conception of Mary doctrine.

    You said she wasn't born. The Immaculate Conception refers to the dogma that she was born without original sin.


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    #79
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    ProfessorWeeto wrote: »
    The Poll stands at:

    Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church - 75.65%
    No I would not like to leave the Catholic Church - 13.91%
    I have never been a member of the Catholic Church 10.43%

    Why am I not suprised to see "Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church" topping the polls at 75%? Would I actually be wrong to think the 'anti chruch' athiests we see on here voted in option 1, even tho they arent apart of the church :rolleyes: .. can't pass up an opportunity to try and make Ireland seem more people are favoring no religion these days (sure, there was a big debate by them about the census last week :rolleyes:)

    I believe a lot of people were probably put down as catholic by their family in the Census.

    I don't believe 84% of Irish people are practicing Catholics.


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    #80
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    smash wrote: »
    you get nothing in return for giving them your time.

    That's your opinion yes but I imagine those with faith get quite a lot out of attending religious services.


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    #81
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    ProfessorWeeto wrote: »
    The Poll stands at:

    Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church - 75.65%
    No I would not like to leave the Catholic Church - 13.91%
    I have never been a member of the Catholic Church 10.43%

    Why am I not suprised to see "Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church" topping the polls at 75%? Would I actually be wrong to think the 'anti chruch' athiests we see on here voted in option 1, even tho they arent apart of the church :rolleyes: .. can't pass up an opportunity to try and make Ireland seem more people are favoring no religion these days (sure, there was a big debate by them about the census last week :rolleyes:)

    isnt that the problem? if people werent part of the church as they wanted we wouldnt be having this discussion.

    the 84% statistic is bullsh1t.


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    #82
    OneArt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    In Germany you've got to pay a church tax if you put down your religion as Catholic/Protestant etc. So I left it blank. They won't be getting any of my money.

    Anyway I think the full moon is coming up. Got to go get a goat for the Feast of Blood...


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    #83
    marty1985
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    woodoo wrote: »
    I believe a lot of people were probably put down as catholic by their family in the Census.

    I don't believe 84% of Irish people are practicing Catholics.

    Sure, who would believe that?

    But the census makes no attempt to measure people who are properly practising Catholics. Nor should it; it is no concern of the state's how well DEFTLEFTHAND practices his Catholicism or you practice your skepticism.

    The state is interested in knowing how people see themselves in religious terms; not in making assumptions or devising rules about how people ought to see themselves in religious terms, and then trying to skew the census question to get people to answer in those terms.

    This seems to be a big problem for atheists, but fair minded people are getting tired of pointing out that's only a "problem" in so far as you don't like the way people choose to characterise themselves. And I'm afraid that's your problem, not theirs. You're just going to have to live with it. Catholics, it should be noted, are human beings; they have dignity; they have autonomy. They get to control and determine their own religious identity according to criteria which seem proper to them.


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    #84
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    marty1985 wrote: »
    who would believe that?

    But the census makes no attempt to measure people who are properly practising Catholics. Nor should it; it is no concern of the state's how well DEFTLEFTHAND practices his Catholicism or you practice your skepticism.

    The state is interested in knowing how people see themselves in religious terms; not in making assumptions or devising rules about how people ought to see themselves in religious terms, and then trying to skew the census question to get people to answer in those terms.

    This seems to be a big problem for atheists, but fair minded people are getting tired of pointing out that's only a "problem" in so far as you don't like the way people choose to characterise themselves. And I'm afraid that's your problem, not theirs. You're just going to have to live with it. Catholics, it should be noted, are human beings; they have dignity; they have autonomy. They get to control and determine their own religious identity according to criteria which seem proper to them.

    I'm not atheist, i am agnostic. I don't damn people for believing in God. Believing in God doesn't belong to the catholic church.

    I just find the Catholic Church's teachings on many things to be dodgy.


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    #85
    marty1985
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    woodoo wrote: »
    I'm not atheist, i am agnostic. I don't damn people for believing in God. Believing in God doesn't belong to the catholic church.

    I just find the Catholic Church's teachings on many things to be dodgy.

    OK, cool. Please consider my post not directed at you personally.


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    #86
    the culture of deference
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭the culture of deference


    92% of primary schools are controlled by RCC.

    This is the issue we have with the census.

    I couldn't care less what fairy stories you believe in. You are not a catholic unless you follow their rules exactly.


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    #87
    pbirney
    Registered Users Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭pbirney


    No!


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    #88
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    someone post a clip of the simpsons leader episode where they get up to leave


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    #89
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,974 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    woodoo wrote: »
    I believe a lot of people were probably put down as catholic by their family in the Census.

    I don't believe 84% of Irish people are practicing Catholics.

    The other 16% post on After Hours and skew any related polls to give the impression that 99% of the entire population are atheists.

    The 84% can't use keyboards because their hands are stuck together, and they couldn't reach them anyway because they're always kneeling down.


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    #90
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Kess73 wrote: »
    AboutTwoFiddy wrote: »
    If you don't believe in it you've left it. It's not as if we're branded or something.



    You would still be listed as being part of it in the official figures, and I think that those figures have a bearing on funding etc the church can get in Ireland. I'm sure someone with more knowledge on that than I can either confirm or debunk that.

    The only figure that would count in this case would be the census figures, which is an entirely different discussion. The Catholic Church would be able to say how many baptisms took place in a given year, but otherwise they would have no clear numbers and would also rely on the census. If you don't consider yourself a Catholic and didn't declare yourself a Catholic in the census, then you aren't one.


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    #91
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    marty1985 wrote: »
    Sure, who would believe that?

    But the census makes no attempt to measure people who are properly practising Catholics. Nor should it; it is no concern of the state's how well DEFTLEFTHAND practices his Catholicism or you practice your skepticism.

    The state is interested in knowing how people see themselves in religious terms; not in making assumptions or devising rules about how people ought to see themselves in religious terms, and then trying to skew the census question to get people to answer in those terms.

    This seems to be a big problem for atheists, but fair minded people are getting tired of pointing out that's only a "problem" in so far as you don't like the way people choose to characterise themselves. And I'm afraid that's your problem, not theirs. You're just going to have to live with it. Catholics, it should be noted, are human beings; they have dignity; they have autonomy. They get to control and determine their own religious identity according to criteria which seem proper to them.

    er, no, the catholic church has set rules to abide by to be really considered a catholic, people picking and choosing what beliefs suit them makes them a christian, not a catholic, but people in this country seem to be unable to tell the difference between being born a catholic and being a practicing one.


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