Freeman Megamerge

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Derry, three questions:

1. What is the purpose of the ruse that the courts are a corporation? Why, when the British system was being created and adopted in Ireland did they build in this flaw where if you know to say you are a human not a corporation you get away with anything?

2. If fremen were in control of the country and could set the laws, how would they stop people driving at whatever speed they like and potentially killing someone?

3. If fremen don't believe in tax but do elieve in the government making roads, hosptals etc, how does the government pay for it?

101 time again
question 1/
The British serfs got the Magma Charter that gave them rights common law rights . The British Crown resented this and ever since tried to make laws that could override these common law rights
So each time a new commercial law was made there had to be a exit built in to ensure humans were not included .However the Defense lawyers cant make money from that showing humans the exits. So the defense lawyers ensure if your stupid you don't find the exits .Over time many hundreds of years laws are built in layers like a onion and the exits get more difficult to find and spot even f your looking for them .
Some groups study the layers and can now navigate away from some issues in law when in court
However the more successful solutions to date is to navigate clear of the snake pits using some of the courts own inbuilt filters which try not to get tangled up in non earning court cases that don't go a Cha Ching Ching as the money rolls in and talk about humans shouldn't be in their commercial courts.
In fact its even looking from the actions of the Judges recently fed to the back teeth of the corporation government.ie sending them uneconomic flotsam like car tax non payments from social welfare claimants who pay back buttons that their probably more happy to entertain getting out of this activity as its drying up compared to the alley cat days .(err fake tiger economy days )
So its even looking like that the maneuvers by the Humans in Eire to get Human cases heard in alternative court systems like Ancient tribal Irish laws system might suit them fine
Its maybe looking like its Sorta like pushing on a open door from the lack of push back seen
Sorta logical really then "The Courts LTD " can go back to commercial courts for commercial issue and make the cha ching ching sound go better without messy humans cluttering up the show .

However that is a maybe the case for Ireland.Inc where we haven't a Crown so in our face set up
In the UK the Crown would rather Blow the whole place to bits than let the serfs take over the show but that's another issue outside my scope which remains for me Eire

Question 2
Ancient Irish laws were more practical than British law .For example say one guy was a wobbly and owned a sword. Say for no reason he attacked a neighbor farmer and cut his arm off . With that event the one armed farmer could no longer do his farming. The tribal leaders would impose that the wobbly would have to do the farming work for free the victim farmer so he could continue to feed his family.
If the wobbly couldn't do all or some of the farm work his family would have to muck in and do it. If they too for some reason couldn't do it then his whole tribe would have to muck in and do this extra farm . Very soon if the wobbly went cutting off too many arms of too many farmers he would be sorted by his tribe fed up of his activity causing them unnecessary financial pains . They could impose solutions on him such as remove his right to carry sword's. The system is based on fairness at its core with no paid legal peoples just tribal elder working for free for the tribes overall good. They only tackle real problems as they happen and they don't look for problems.
British law however would imprisons the same sword welding wobbly and probably imposes fines from him for this sword attack .
However the victim farmer and his family often would starve to death from this attack where the arm is cut off as the farmer could not do his farming anymore and often he would receive no compensation as the wobbly often had not much wealth as he was usually another farming peasant of the land .
However the legal peoples will get paid and receive the fine moneys and leech of society who have to pay taxes while often imposing unfair so called justice solutions .

A good example is In modern Ethiopia and Sudan where governments don't exist very much and things are very tribal there
Often there is no car or truck insurance much to be found. Tribes then basically self insure the cars and trucks. If there is a accident the tribe will sort out the costs. If some driver is prone to to many accidents from speeding he gets sorted out also. So if he can speed and not have accidents there isn't a issue.However real world stuff excessive speeds makes more accidents
As the tribes use cars and trucks and go across other tribal regions the same tribe will take responsibility for their tribe member when he goes into other tribe regions.The other tribe do that in reverse .
It works very well in Africa where even Governments don't operate
For Eire It requires us the people to decide that we will form new structures that will take responsibility for the actions of others who belong to us in ways such as families or tribal allegiances or similar.
It wont be possible to kick to touch the problems to the old British model the government looks after the activities like excessive speeding.
Right now lots of people get fined for going fast on very good roads and get no problems to go too fast on the bad roads where the RECOMMENDED speed limits are often too high. This tends to allows irresponsible people to speed in the worst places the small roads which cant cope with excessive speeds
Hope that give you some ideas how roughly it would work but here are many details that are to complex to explain in one page never mind one year to you

Question 3
The present system of Irish government losses over one third of all the taxes it collects to a waste full system called the Usury banking model.
Effectively the Irish government borrows money with interest from the Banks.
The banks for security demand the tax money be collected and sent direct to them and they issue more loans with interest to the government.
The government then makes roads hospitals etc with these bank loans not the taxes which the banks get
As governments never pay back the principle only interest on loans the dept never get paid back even after 100 years the dept is still being paid for .
Example the government borrows $1,000,000 at 10% interest so every year they pay back $100,000 .Then after 10 years they have paid back the 1,000,000 loan .However the loan never ends so after 100 years they paid back $10,000,000. Now as every year they borrow money the dept mountains grow exponentially
After time typically 50 years the debt repayments exceed the total tax take and the country is bankrupt and defaults . Then the Banks receivers like IMF move in take everything the oil, the gas, the coal , the forests, the farms, the lands the lot.
Then the peoples become indentured slaves on the plantations of the large corporations that are friends to the banks like the IMF .often the IMF bank take down the countries in the later stages of the usury banking model cycle .
Then the hospital schools and so forth stop to exist and the people die from no water no food no home they afford to rent and no nada .

So depending the country the loans etc each country is somewhere in this cycle if they are using the usury banking model which is 99% of the countries in the world

One fairly modern example of a nation that cracked how to solve this problem and with in ten years turn the story around and become fabulously wealthy was the pre war Germany. The Hitler run Germany pre war chose to copy history examples and turn the tables on this usury model which had helped to destroy the post WW1 German economy.
In Hitlers Germans case they copied the more ancient economic model the Venice banking model that has worked for 600 years in Venice. This banking model brought fabulous wealth to the Venice merchant classes for 600 years .The Venice system had no usury banking interest . It was based on basically invoices as collateral notes of exchange. Simply explained say a merchant had 100 tons of wheat in a wheat barn. He would get a certificate of ownership that he had this wheat stored in a location and trade this certificate like cash in the system . Eventually a final user who could use or sell the wheat would take the wheat and the 100 ton wheat certificate would no longer exist in the system. It might become 100 tons of flour certificate or maybe sold as bread for gold
So the certificate system based on real goods in circulation could never suffer inflation or deflation very much .These certificates of goods ensure banking stability where no booms and bust cycles came along. For some 600 years Venice went from strength to strength .

Pre war Germany too found that when they copied this Venice banking model they got very rich very fast . Instead the 30% of the economy going to the banking classes to be often used outside the country the money went back into Germany and made the economy grow at a very rapid pace
However Hitler did not intend to stop there and the war after this destroyed to history this example economy which exposed the Usury banking model for what it is ,a way for the rich Banksters to steal everything as they make us into interest owing banking indentured slaves
There also exist Islamic banking models that also are non interest payment systems . Some of them in some Islamic countries where the corruption is low have proved to work very well.
There are also other economic models based on mixes of the Venice or pre WW2 German models or other less well known examples that all have one common theme no usury baking model in them .
However various countries that have tried to implement these other forms of banking models have often had their countries economically boycotted or worse bombed back to the stone age when the usury banking model users like the USA or EU see them try these new idea´s out .
Ask Gaddafi of Libya 2011 he announced he wanted to bring in the new solution for Africa to the Usary banking model the gold backed Libyan Dinar using his 800 tons of gold .
Within months he went from the darling to the USA and the EU to public enemy no 1 got the hell bombed out of Libya and then Gaddafi was dead .

There does exist solutions to these issues that are not as extreme as the Gaddafi or Hitler pre world war solutions mostly centering around the state prints Fiat money into existence and the banks can only act as agents to store the cash .
Sort of Venice banking model light version for the internal economy Then the external economy could still operate with some very limited usury banking model where there was severe restrictions to to its ability to over extend its borrowing.
Nothing is new under the sun the Roman empire had at times the Usary banking model . Every 50 years they had the jubilee year
That was when every fifty years the debts mountains from the usury banking model were so damaging to the economy they reset all debts back to zero and restarted the economy.
Needless to say present Banksters don't like that Roman model restart every 50 years so they rather keep with the present model keep bleeding us to death until we are dead from debts .
Its sorta like whipping a dead horse logic what modern Banksters want from their slaves horses
Look Eire now and Enya boy how he laps up the whipping from the Banksters and he is giving sweat blood tears and austerity birth pains to them in bucket loads

Derry

nuac wrote: »

Ok Derry - whatever.

Stand up in any court on a busy morning and insist the judge consider these points.

A tip, bring your toothbrush and pjs

You guys are fixated on the standing in court and telling the judge in court some big thing

Anybody who studies this subject would say court is probably the last place on earth your likely to solve any problems

However to humour your fantacy about this court thing

Example say I am walking down the street and the street has a walk only one way traffic sign . Lets say the government was so broke they brought in a on way walking rule and I broke it and a cop stops me and give a fixxed penalty fine that must be paid on the spot
Lets say i got no cash with me.
I can chose there and then not to accept the notice . But lets say the cop wont go with that and arrests me and brings me to the station.then he demands my ID
Lets say and i give something say my passport. He might ask me is that you pointing at the passport . I would reply to him I am me I cannot be that piece of paper you hold . The cop has to charge me for something or he has to let me go . .Lets say he charges me with not paying the on the spot fine so then he has to bring me to court ASAP.
Now when i arrive to court its simple
When they ask something do you plead guilty or innocent whatever they might say I will say "i am here under duress and i do not consent" .
Most the system of the law is built on consent to recognize the judge has the right to judge you.

If you do not consent there is immediate a problem for the Judge.
Most judges will kick for touch and throw the case out as there is two issues your there under duress and you do not consent to him to be your judge
There is lots of other stuff but we go through these at the studies on thes subjects .
Basically we the people ant in the business to tell judges the magna charter they already know it so there zero that we teach them about it
We the people ant in the business to change the money earning commercial courts for commercial activity that makes them in commercial courts pots of money.

We are in the business of quickly identifying ourselfs as humans not to be converted to commercial corporations and end up tangled up in commercial activities which isn't interesting for us and seems is getting less interesting for the commercial courts .

However sometimes you individually get unlucky get a judge who wants to go all the way so various study groups on this subject device as many strategies as they can to cater for this type of issue your in the pit with the snake and he wants to bite you bad .
The typical first trap will be the judge will offer you legal consul for free
First rule there is nothing for free.
If you accept any of their lawyers from the BAR (British accredited registry ) you are now dead meat as you have consented to the Judge to be your judge .
He now can decide your fate eg you now contracted with the Judge. The judge has contract with the BAR people eg they work for him . If you contract with them you take a barrister or lawyer now you have a contract with the judge and now your guilty of the crime they invented against you like walking up the street the wrong way
Its end of story pack your pajamas and tooth brush.doesn't matter what the crime is your now guilty.
Your new found defense lawyer might spin a yarn about something and the wind might blow the right way and the judge might be getting his nuts that night and decide to let you off because he like a good yarn to break the boredom of yet another wrong way street walker in his court .
Its all pot luck after you employ one of his hench men from the BAR but mostly your toast after that .
However when your defending yourself its a different story then the Judge has got the possibility to make you fall into traps if he wants .
"Do you understand me" he might say . If your stupid and say yes your toasted . Again he has actually said using legal ease do you stand under me meaning do you accept that I will be higher than you and therefore can judge you.

If you reply I do not stand under you you are making it clear that the judge is as civil servant and still your servant and you still remain over him .
Usually most Judges when they are now no longer hearing that regular cha ching ching that makes the money roll in will throw the case out at that point with some remark like watch which way you walk up the footpaths in future and follow the road signs recommendations and do yourself a favor learn the green cross code

But the best rule is ensure the paper work never allows the case to ever see the court is the best solution
So the paper work that quickly identifying yourself as human and not suitable prey for the court system usually means court filters systems will block the case ever coming to court .

However some people are hell bent keen to get stuck in to the pit believing they have some magic formula to slay the serpents
500 years of History show that's rarely ever gonna to happen the serpent get practice every day and he can make a thousand mistakes with no penalties but the victims only must make one mistake and their toast .

Most anybody who really studies this subject will tend to say sod that find every way possible known to avoid going into that pit
however if you ever have the misfortune to fall into the pit here are some possible ideas where to find the ladders spread around the court room to get humans out from the pit before they get eaten alive .
Needless to say Some ladders are better than others .


Contrary to what many of you keep saying many of us never study this stuff to ever use it in real life .
Many of us always recommend most people for example that if they got a speeding fine just pay up if they can afford the price of it .
However if for example your on your last penalty points and the fine and the points will make you lose the license then these strategies might save you if the car license is that important for you.

Alway´s it down to risk to benefit ratios . Resisting the system is time consuming and can easily become a means to an end in itself and there exists possible severe risks if you get it wrong

Many in these subject study of freemen are more keen to develop the logic the commercial courts go their way we go ours they do their commercial thing we do our human thing.

Test Court cases in commercial courts are the last place many who study the subject would believe there is likely to be any progress made Its also much more likely to be counter productive

The best way to think about it is like the Gannet birds that eat the fish at sea. These birds don't want to eat pieces of plastic flotsam . It makes them feel full up but doesn't norish them at all . So if some new way was developed that could make Plastic flotsam look uninteresting to eat to Gannets they could avoid those non food items and instead get back to eating the fish what they should eat .

Same here for us we figure to the court system all these speeding fine no car tax, no this, no that, stuff isn't as juicy money making as a good real commercial case .Court cases like a dispute between big enterprises who fall out over some merger or something and the commercial courts make pots of money from that .

However the Government,corp which has as its slave master the banksters demanding their tax collections want every penny they can get from us with car tax and other con job taxes that we humans should not have to pay.
So the government.corp puts pressure on the policy enforcement corporation the " Garda.corp" and "The Courts.Ltd "to make us pay up. Then we get tangled up in commercial courts where we shouldn't ever be.

No for many of us who study this issue the real direction to change is the principle that humans should never face trials in commercial courts.
Many commercial court problems can be solved with other solutions
Examples of this are traffic calming island often can slow speeding cars netter than so called regular speed cameras and fines can .
Some police departments in the USA and the UK have scraped all speed fine solutions as they don't improve safety for motorists and gone for other methods .
Sweden has scraped nearly all traffic lights and done way with the majority of jumping the traffic light fines .
Using fines and courts and Garda for many the problems for safety or for revenue generation is often counter productive for all concerned

Many of us studying these issue would prefer to be involved in making useful solutions and getting humans out of commercial courts where to be honest often they never should have been there in the first place.
For us looking across the world at other solutions to these problems we can only be often gob smacked how often only in Ireland do we find so many peoples in courts for often minor stupid things that should have been dealt with some where else.

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So here we go 101 lesson for legal eagles 500 years of commercial courts has shown that most cases are boring rerun of similar cases that have been done thousands of times before and there is virtually no possibility that some new strategy will make the case go a new way if you decide to follow the courts methods. If you follow commercial courts methods your already guilty so might as well give up a that point.
The only few strategies s that might work is to ensure that the court case never gets to court .If you are arrested then brought to court and If the court case does get to court identify your human position clearly in the correct way and your lack of consent and your there under duress.

Many who study this isssue phrase the problem as best as possible some strategies might work but they all have inherent risks attached to them and playing with fire always has majors risks to it

However if you back is against the wall and you have no choice knowings strategies might solve the issues . However not knowing anything is much more likely to be the worst solutions

Derry

Marcusm wrote: »

Derry,

Might be time to start the class before 101. The Magma Charter probably has something to do with volcanoes. If you are relying on the Magna Cara (or rather if your England based brethren are), you might want to go back and look at the various iterations f it. I say this as it provided no rights to the serfs or the common good. It, inter alia (you seem to like pseudo latinisms), provided remedies to the and owning nobility against their leader, the monarch.

Harder to pick holes in your arguments if they were a little better founded.

Thanks for the info
For most of us who make studies on this subject we quickly decide that we are not interested in the studying the subject of the law that the UK has as it a foreign occupier law that still remains in Ireland.Inc
Rather we look for solutions to how do joe soaps and freemen and similar avoid contracting or getting involved with this Commercial court system which we inherited.
We also strive to find solutions such as replacements like ancient Irish laws which were in our opinion far superior to these imported British non solutions.
To understand what we need to know of the enemy British law system we have a quick basic look at it and move rapidly through the system to get to know where the levers are that can be used by us to ensure we never get inside these courts.If those methods fail we look for methods that will get us out of these courts in the fastest methods and often that is without getting confrontational or raising controversy.
However like all movements where there are many different opinions on how to slay the serpents some within the freeman movements will be drawn to the idea of the gladiatorial approach
This Gladiatorial approach is most often pushed by the UK freeman movements and will try the educating the Judge on the history of law approach inside a gladiatorial environment the commercial. courts.
AS we in the freeman movement have a different agenda different needs and different targets we dont need or want to get hung up on the fine details of the system .We only want to find the basics how to avoid the Pitfalls,how to find the exits if you fall into the pit. How to keep the serpents at bay long enough and not contract with them so that they lose interest in you as prey and eject you from the pit
For Irish it also important how to bring about fair solutions for humans that the British commercial court system were never designed to supply these solutions. We Irish in Ireland would strive for replacing the system where humans are involved with proven historical solutions that worked for Irish .
The British freemen would probably strive to find ways to modify the British legal system so their strategies would be totally different to ours and arresting the Judge could be something that makes sense for them.
However the internet allows some Irish to think that British solutions are the way forward in Eire and as a result some Irish might fall for the import a British serpant slayer to do the job in Eire.
The recent example shows how that wont work. If the irish person had contacted the Irish Freeman www.tnsradio.ning.com they would have been very able to predict that that strategy educating the judge on the law would be a near certianty not to work Worse he would be enlightened to it ran serious risks to incurr to make things much worse. In fact that Irish guy got off lightly the judge must have been mildly amused somewhat by this deviation from the routine or he could have been toast.
So for us the fine details of this treaty how to spell it etc isn't our business we leave that to those that ply that trade called barristers lawyers solicitors . For us these people employed in commercial courts are servants to the serpents who stand around the serpents pits offering reductions in how many body parts the serpent will eat from us in return for some suitable fees. Fine detail in laws treaties and so forth make them pots of money. However for us freemen detail of law its a distraction and we would rather find ways to pass around this serpents pit placed in our path . Often its the fine details the serpent helpers throw to us lure us into the pit so they can extract something for us while we lose body parts .:eek:
So for us British law is up there with volcano s to be honest in terms of its relevance to the over all life of freemen who mostly just want to wander the the place having a good time within sensible limits such as would be found from ancient Irish laws

Derry

Paulw wrote: »

Fine details, like how things work in reality?

What about details like if you borrow money to buy a property, you must pay it back? Or is it the banks fault that you made the request to borrow money?

The more of this freeman rubbish I read, the more it seems like people want to use it so that they take no personal responsibility for their lives. It's always someone else's fault.

Ok you want to go into that sector property and loans there off

First is Mortgage in Latin means death grip

Lets start with the banks in the USA who had a great idea to boost property sales into infinity. They noticed a small quirk in property loans. A very small group of loans called sub prime loans had a very good return on investments and a low default rate. Basically sub prime loans up to that time was where maybe some small local entrepreneur with maybe a small corner shops needed credit to buy property
Often these guys had no long track record needed but would agree to pay higher than normal interest rates. Local bank managers usually using their experience for backing winners extended these high risk sub prime loans and the returns were very good on a small scale.
The head office decided that they would wave their magic wands and ramp up sub prime on steroids for all property loans
They would dispense with any credit or income checks and loan out whatever amount the costumer requested.(Happy days)
Head office knowing full well that most of these loans would go belly up within a few years packaged these sub prime loans into triple A loans and sold the packages as triple a loans. Now toxic loans were mixed into good loans
The vast amounts of cash going into the property markets made house prices rise exponentially. However banks in the USA still had one issue to overcome and that was the requirement for a independent agent to go verify if a property was worth the selling price.
The solution was simple if a agent returned a negative reply he was never chosen again from the panel of independent property value agents. The independent agents to feed themselves then eventually became whores who would agree that some shack was worth millions .
As the banks gave out wads of cash into this toxic loan scheme the directors paid themselves big bonuses for loans lent out so even more loans were lent out as fast as possible.
Well it blew up and the victims of these loans its estimated that people sold houses for three times more than thier real value in this fraud
Its been calculated the independent agents lack of truth allowed the banks to defrauded the USA peoples who invested in property of $1 trillion dollars in over valued property.
At least the victims in the USA can hand back the keys and not still have the debt hanging onto them

The same scam in a more complex way was done in Ireland but the victims are stuck with the debts unless they do several things

(No I don't have time in one short reply to explain the intricacies of this Irish home grown property scam which is still ongoing and allows the property dealers and Banks using NAMA to protect them
Worse NAMA is immune to FOI requests so you will never get the truth how the scam continues . As far as I concerned all banks in Eire are the same category as Anglo in their actions and are also Zombie banks in terms of any use they are to the economy
All Irish banks should all be shut down scrapped and burned at the stake . The Irish banks all of them knew the scam they were in and knew when and how it would blow up and knew it would cause all these problems but they still went and did it. Worse some like BOI are not even Irish they are really British banks)

One option is to continue to pay the mortgage as agreed and hope in a few decades the prices will go back up.That doesn't take into account the new Irish economy will become more like the communist French model where house taxes will eat up any future profits. House Property tax is €100 euros this year and the average three bed in Dublin in 2020 will be more like €10K a year in present money (or probably as much as €30k in the future money if inflation stays at this present rate).
Yeah if you bought at the peak 2006 not only were you raped stupid and sodomized but now the gombeen men from government .Inc will line up to gang rape you well into 2020 and beyond while the banks are still feeding off your juices

One possibly it seems is to exit the country for five years avoid the correspondence about this affair until the debt is written off

The other possibility that seems to exist is to reduce the previous monthly payment figures to manageable amounts even if it as low or less than 10% of the agreed monthly payment prices.
OK your terms will go to 50 to 100 years but beats being ejected onto the streets and still having to pay the mortgage(This requires you to tell the banks how it will work and info on freeman sites can tell you how you might achieve this new contract in your mortgage)

The other possibility that might also seem to exist is to ask the Bank to document and verify the obligation.
Often now because the loan is part of some complex puzzle of international property mortgage sales packages that isn't possible.
Often as the bank is now merely a collection agent for the mortgage there interest to pursue the issue is often close to nil and the case gets filed in the forget about filing cabinet


Unfortunately some victims cant see the light that colored pieces of paper are not worth dieing for and take the worst option and I have attended some of these funerals

There may exist other options but those are some of the ones that more peoples have chosen recently

In fact groups like www.tnsradio.ning.com figure that some people who saw their info on how maybe not to pay the mortgage and maybe not lose the home have come back from the brink of doing something really stupid like leaving these shores or worse


Now if you got scammed to pay back for some product like say life long club membership with life long payments to a local pool and then they emptied the pool forever what position would you adopt.

So easy to judge other peoples actions when you don't know all the real and extenuating facts
Yeah my Dad could say bugger them in my time we paid back our debt. However in his time the banks hadn't become a total International Mafia with mega loan sharks deals for the unlucky winners

(no I personnly dont have a Mortgage with any banks here or elsewhere but for me I don't back any of these Irish scum bag banks who continue to rob us stupid. Even my accounts are close to zero I owe nothing and own close to nothing they keep telling me that as part of the Eire sovereign dept I owe some $500,000.

@ Paulw be my guest go pay back this $500,000 on top of your other payments your that kinda guy that thinks we should all pay our debts

I recall signing no such contract they can go swing for it if they think I will pay these taxes to pay back this fake dept they are trying to stiff me and everybody in Ireland with .
If the International lender feel they are owed this money they should go demand it from the guys who signed the debts like Cowen and Enja and Bertie baby( No Bertie baby signing in pensil doesn't cancel the dept to you) )

Derry

Dead, death, deader than a hammer, and other forms of the verb noun to die is splitting hairs

A contract with death built into isn't the kinda contract I want to be part of

Derry