Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v2.0

Harry Angstrom · 31-10-2012 12:28am

Feck off Vinnie. The last time he told us he had a juicy story about Phil Hogan, it was buried by lunchtime the following day. I hope he's not having us on again with another explosive "exclusive" :rolleyes:

tayto lover · 31-10-2012 12:46am

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Feck off Vinnie. The last time he told us he had a juicy story about Phil Hogan, it was buried by lunchtime the following day. I hope he's not having us on again with another explosive "exclusive" :rolleyes:

Deja vu again, a nothing story.

Skid · 31-10-2012 12:50am

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Feck off Vinnie. The last time he told us he had a juicy story about Phil Hogan, it was buried by lunchtime the following day. I hope he's not having us on again with another explosive "exclusive" :rolleyes:

Based on what they said it sounds like more of the same. I don't think there is too much substance this time either

In reality, Phil Hogan's interference in Traveller housing policy will probably secure him some extra votes at the next General Election.

Harry Angstrom · 31-10-2012 12:56am

Nice dig there by Sheahan

Neeson · 31-10-2012 2:40am

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Nice dig there by Sheahan

What did he say?

chinwag · 31-10-2012 8:39pm

Line up for Children's Referendum Debate with Frances Fitzgerald, Fergus Finlay, John Waters & Kathy Sinnott tonight @10pm.

Lisha · 31-10-2012 11:22pm

Nothing of any interest being said in any clear way yet.
It's a pity as this Is so important

Lady Chatterton · 31-10-2012 11:34pm

I still have no idea how I'm going to vote. When you consider the number of children who have died while in State care I'm not sure that I want to give them anymore power over children.

I think it would be far better if they ensured that there were enough resources to help families in crisis. In this day and age social workers should be on call at weekends. It is ludicrous to have these people working 9 - 5.

tayto lover · 31-10-2012 11:38pm

MrsD007 wrote: »

I still have no idea how I'm going to vote. When you consider the number of children who have died while in State care I'm not sure that I want to give them anymore power over children.

I think it would be far better if they ensured that there were enough resources to help families in trouble. In this day and age social workers should be on call at weekends. It is ludicrous to have these people working 9 - 5.

Having legislation set out to protect children is no good unless the legislation is used correctly. How many children have died because Social Workers and other agencies were off for weekends? Remember the Wexford case of a few years ago when the mother sought help but none was available and then she drove off a pier with her children. There have been other cases too.

Lady Chatterton · 31-10-2012 11:45pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Having legislation set out to protect children is no good unless the legislation is used correctly. How many children have died because Social Workers and other agencies were off for weekends? Remember the Wexford case of a few years ago when the mother sought help but none was available and then she drove off a pier with her children. There have been other cases too.

That is the case I was thinking of Tayto Lover. Sharon Grace and more importantly her children were badly led down by this State :mad::mad::mad: The poor women had made efforts to get help but it wasn't there for her. I don't think I'll ever forget that case, it was absolutely heartbreaking

Looks like no lessons have been learned from that case. Apart from voluntary groups there seems to be very little help out there for people in crisis.

The young separated mother was in distress and called to Ely Hospital on a Saturday evening asking to speak to a social worker.

After the receptionist told her there was no social workeravailable until Monday, she took Mikhala and Abby to Kaats Strand and walked into the water.

http://www.wexfordpeople.ie/news/report-into-child-deaths-concludes-that-tragedy-could-strike-again-3156478.html

Lisha · 31-10-2012 11:48pm

IMO and from anecdotal examples I ve heard from people who work in social services the kids who died while in the states care were in the parents or family members care or being hidden from soc services . Imagine being a social worker and seeing a kid coming back from a weekend visit to family drunk drugged after sexual activity or just upset after being back in the family chaos
If the kids could be kept away from bad family influences then we might have a better chance of breaking the cycle
Kids deserve a second chance

Lisha · 31-10-2012 11:52pm

Sadly some parents are incapable of putting their kids first

Atlantic Dawn · 31-10-2012 11:58pm

Not sure myself how to vote but going on stats a child in a broken home has more of a chance of survival than one in the care of the state I'm keeping an open mind. Every day theres stories about muppet parents who should'nt be allowed near kids but hard to believe statwise they are better being raised by them than the state.

Lady Chatterton · 31-10-2012 11:58pm

Primetime did a special programme a while back and there were numerous cases of children dying while they were in State care and were away from their families.

There is a lack of appropriate services for troubled teenagers. In many cases, if teenagers has mental health issues they often have to wait for up to a year to access psychiatry services through (HSE) CAMHS (Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service).

Lady Chatterton · 01-11-2012 12:00am

Lisha wrote: »

Sadly some parents are incapable of putting their kids first

Very true!

As they say - If you have a dog you need a licence but anyone can have a child.

Lisha · 01-11-2012 12:05am

I agree MrsD but one childcare worker has said to me that by the the time at present the state chooses to intervene to remove kids from an improper home that the damage is done. The child Is by then locked in a cycle of anti social behaviour
Yes there does need to be a huge increase in front line services available
Yes social workers should be available 24/7
Counselling services and parenting courses should be available Before crisis point

tayto lover · 01-11-2012 12:10am

MrsD007 wrote: »

Primetime did a special programme a while back and there were numerous cases of children dying while they were in State care and were away from their families.

There is a lack of appropriate services for troubled teenagers. In many cases, if a teenagers has mental health issues they often have to wait for up to a year to access psychiatry services through (HSE) CAMHS (Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service).

It's even worse than that. The Education Sector has questions to answer too.
I am presently doing some voluntary work teaching people to read and write. How a lad of 20 years can come through Primary School and then three years of Secondary education and still can hardly read or write is baffling. The National Adult Learning Agency (N.A.L.A.) has statistics stating that just over 25% of the population has difficulty with literacy.
What chance has a young person in today's Ireland if they cannot read or write. It is people like this who make up most of the prison population at the present time and who are the main clients of the H.S.E. Social Workers.

Lady Chatterton · 01-11-2012 12:13am

Lisha wrote: »

I agree MrsD but one childcare worker has said to me that by the the time at present the state chooses to intervene to remove kids from an improper home that the damage is done. The child Is by then locked in a cycle of anti social behaviour
Yes there does need to be a huge increase in front line services available
Yes social workers should be available 24/7
Counselling services and parenting courses should be available Before crisis point

Lisha, I have no gripe at all with childcare workers or social workers, the problem is that often they are not getting the support they need to do their job. It must be very stressful and frustrating to know that a child is being neglected or abused in someway and being powerless to act. I think the change in legislation is pointless unless resources are put in place to support front line staff.

Atlantic Dawn · 01-11-2012 12:16am

How does they money go to the bondholders and how come we dont know who they are? Surely money laundering legislation should come in to this, money going to complete unknown randomers.

Atlantic Dawn · 01-11-2012 12:17am

If you get a bill you have the choice to pay it, no bill, no pay.

Lady Chatterton · 01-11-2012 12:17am

tayto lover wrote: »

It's even worse than that. The Education Sector has questions to answer too.
I am presently doing some voluntary work teaching people to read and write. How a lad of 20 years can come through Primary School and then three years of Secondary education and still can hardly read or write is baffling. The National Adult Learning Agency (N.A.L.A.) has statistics stating that just over 25% of the population has difficulty with literacy.
What chance has a young person in today's Ireland if they cannot read or write. It is people like this who make up most of the prison population at the present time and who are the main clients of the H.S.E. Social Workers.

Fair play to you Tayto, that sounds like a brilliant scheme to be involved in!

I think things are beginning to change these days, teachers seem to looking out for dyslexia now. I know people I went to school with who were very bright but had huge issues with reading and writing. It was only when they got to college or started working that that their dyslexia was picked up on.

tayto lover · 01-11-2012 12:20am

I don't agree with a tax on someone's home.
People are struggling now with mortgages and unemployment and getting it hard. A home should be a private thing and was not provided by the Government.

notagardawife · 01-11-2012 12:20am

He forgot cornflakes

tayto lover · 01-11-2012 12:23am

MrsD007 wrote: »

Fair play to you Tayto, that sounds like a brilliant scheme to be involved in!

I think things are beginning to change these days, teachers seem to looking out for dyslexia now. I know people I went to school with who were very bright but had huge issues with reading and writing. It was only when they got to college or started working that that their dyslexia was picked up on.

Thanks. You get a good buzz out of seeing someone make progress. It also improves their quality of life. Life is obviously very scary when you can't read but they develop great coping skills to get around the problem.

Min · 01-11-2012 12:23am

That woman is deluded with her 433k people earning over €100k a year in this country.

tayto lover · 01-11-2012 12:24am

Min wrote: »

That woman is deluded with her 433k people earning over €100k a year in this country.

She knows about you Min

Lady Chatterton · 01-11-2012 12:25am

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't agree with a tax on someone's home.
People are struggling now with mortgages and unemployment and getting it hard. A home should be a private thing and was not provided by the Government.

I think if there has to be a property tax you shouldn't have to pay between €700 - €1,000 to call out the local fire service if you have a house fire.

tayto lover · 01-11-2012 12:27am

MrsD007 wrote: »

I think if there has to be a property tax you shouldn't have to pay between €700 - €1,000 to call out the local fire service if you have a house fire.

If they had a Property Tax that included your water charges, bins etc then I would have no problem with it but we won't get that. It is just a revenue raising tax.

Lady Chatterton · 01-11-2012 12:29am

Ah Vinny, Would it be too much to expect you to stick to one subject? From the referendum to the Household charge.

I thought he was going to discuss this evening's debate. Surely, it would have been better to get that out of the way first????

Lisha · 01-11-2012 12:29am

MrsD007 wrote: »

I think if there has to be a property tax you shouldn't have to pay between €700 - €1,000 to call out the local fire service if you have a house fire.

Defiantly , and also that you could drive on a country road without the fear of losing your car in a pothole

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