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Palestine recognised by the UN General Assembly

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  • #62
    Higher
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    Canada has the largest jewish population after Israel and America, that's why it voted no.


  • #63
    Brayden Tender Celery
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    seamus wrote: »
    Only rocket attacks by an official Palestinian military. Rocket attacks from a terrorist organisation not backed by the Palestinian government, could not be considered war.


    You do realise that Hamas are in government in Gaza ?


  • #64
    MagicSean
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    smurgen wrote: »


    I don't this is the start of a very long process and finally the Palestinians are on the right tracks. Abbas has said that he wants to fight the Isreali settlers in a court of law and it's steps like this that will help him. Hopefully Palestinian terrorists will abondon their efforts,show restraint and the Isreali's will then show themselves up as the real bullies they are.

    Palestinian terrorists? You mean their government and army. With recognition of them being a state they now have to act like one.


  • #65
    brimal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭brimal


    Higher wrote: »
    Canada has the largest jewish population after Israel and America, that's why it voted no.

    You forgot France. They have a larger Jewish population than Canada.

    They voted in favour..


  • #66
    Higher
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    brimal wrote: »
    You forgot France. They have a larger Jewish population than Canada.

    They voted in favour..

    True although the jewish in France are nowhere near as supportive of Israel as the Jewish in North America.


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  • #67
    MagicSean
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    Higher wrote: »

    True although the jewish in France are nowhere near as supportive of Israel as the Jewish in North America.

    I find that a bit odd. I would have thought that, following the holocaust, there would be many more people of French descent who had fled to and settled in Israel.


  • #68
    Seaneh
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    Brayden Tender Celery wrote: »
    You do realise that Hamas are in government in Gaza ?

    Most of the rocket attacks from insaide Gaza were from other militant groups, not Hamas, even Israel have admitted that.

    The man they blew up on the 11th of November was doing his best to stop those groups from carrying out the attacks, he was known as "Israel's enforcer" in the Gaza Strip.


  • #69
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Could not believe the aggressive response from the US after the vote results.They should be ashamed of themselves and should not be allowed in any future peace talks.

    Should get China or Russia to replace them


  • #70
    Seaneh
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    czx wrote: »
    Should get China or Russia to replace them

    Nah, the EU.


  • #71
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Nah, the EU.

    They both hold spots on the security council, the EU doesn't


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  • #72
    Seaneh
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    czx wrote: »
    They both hold spots on the security council, the EU doesn't

    A spot on the council isn't need to mediate peace talks.
    Hell, have the UK as the leader of the EU Delegation, or France... That's 2 UNSC members right there.


  • #73
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    Seaneh wrote: »
    A spot on the council isn't need to mediate peace talks.
    Hell, have the UK as the leader of the EU Delegation, or France... That's 2 UNSC members right there.

    I think they have diverging views on the matter. See vote


  • #74
    Seaneh
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    czx wrote: »
    I think they have diverging views on the matter. See vote

    They both have a pretty similar view on it.

    The UK were hours away from voting Yes and in general are pretty supportive of the right of Palestine to self determination.


  • #75
    Mr Freeze
    Registered Users Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Could not believe the aggressive response from the US after the vote results.They should be ashamed of themselves and should not be allowed in any future peace talks.

    That was nasty alright.

    Still, Its not surprising that they would come out with a comment like that.


  • #76
    newmug
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    Mr Freeze wrote: »
    That was nasty alright.

    Still, Its not surprising that they would come out with a comment like that.


    Why, what did they say / do?


  • #77
    RandomName2
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    seamus wrote: »
    Palestine are now free to submit a petition to become a full U.N. member, which would give them voting rights at the UN as well as international recognition as a sovereign and indepedent state.

    It doesn't prevent Israel from doing anything, but recognition as a sovereign state is somewhat crucial if you want to ask for assistance from the international community.

    I know that a lot of people feel that it is a good thing because they are specifically pro-Palestinian.

    I personally think that it is a good thing per se.


  • #78
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    I personally think that it is a good thing per se.
    Agreed. It's the first step towards a proper two-state solution on equal terms IMHO.


  • #79
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    seamus wrote: »
    Agreed. It's the first step towards a proper two-state solution on equal terms IMHO.

    Both sides have denied the other's right to exist for too long. At one stage the Palestinians had the upper hand (militarily and politically), and now the Israelis do. Neither extreme is a terribly good thing.


  • #80
    steddyeddy
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    What did America say/do anybody?


  • #81
    hatrickpatrick
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    What did America say/do anybody?

    Threw a hissy fit, predictably. Always amusing to see people getting frustrated upon meeting the edge of their authority and realizing that not everyone is going to bow to them and lick their arses.

    The hypocrisy of American foreign policy never shines quite as brightly as it does where Israel and Palestine are concerned.


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  • #82
    OurLadyofKnock
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    statesaver wrote: »
    Kinda shocked that a lot of the central and eastern european countries voted no, Czech Rep, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania ........

    racism is normal there - very backward places.


  • #83
    opinionated3
    Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    OurLadyofKnock wrote: »
    racism is normal there - very backward places.
    Why is it racist not to reward the terrorist policies of Hamas in the Gaza Strip?


  • #84
    Chuck Stone
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    Israel keeps yammering on about sitting down with the Palestinians and sharing the cake (West Bank) while it greedily gobbles it up day by day.

    There will be no Palestinian state in my lifetime imo.


  • #85
    pickarooney
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Threw a hissy fit, predictably. Always amusing to see people getting frustrated upon meeting the edge of their authority and realizing that not everyone is going to bow to them and lick their arses.

    The hypocrisy of American foreign policy never shines quite as brightly as it does where Israel and Palestine are concerned.

    Threw a hissy fit how? Is there an article or a video we can see?


  • #86
    Seaneh
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Threw a hissy fit how? Is there an article or a video we can see?

    They spent the week threatening the Palestinians with sanctions and with holding aide. That is throwing a hissy fit.


  • #87
    jonsnow
    Registered Users Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    OurLadyofKnock wrote: »
    racism is normal there - very backward places.

    Irony Overload

    The obama administrations response is deeply shameful.I am sure obama himself and most of his administration hold personally pro-palestinian views at least in relation to Palestinians having some rights and the right to a country. He doesn't need to be reelected and personally loathes netenyahu and his right wing cabinet.Hes shown courage before with medicare - sometimes you just have to do whats right and take the political cost.Obama is not turning out to much of a statesman by doing whatever the Israelis tell him and leaning on everyone else (ineffectually as well) to do what the Israelis demand.

    The UK governments position is even worse.The vast vast majority of British people sympathies lie with the Palestinians plight but the UK has become such a US lapdog (even worse than Ireland a much much weaker nation) that their leaders cant even vote the way most UK citizens would wish.

    Fair play to Ireland. I thought Gilmore was such a numpty that he might even take a cowardly abstention against overwhelming Irish public opinion and his own principles.We are very vulnerable to US pressure so fair play to the Irish Government so credit where credit is due.Ireland is a true friend to Palestine (and Israel too of course-sometimes you need to tell mates when they are in the wrong)


  • #88
    OurLadyofKnock
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    jonsnow wrote: »
    Irony Overload

    The obama administrations response is deeply shameful.I am sure obama himself and most of his administration hold personally pro-palestinian views at least in relation to Palestinians having some rights and the right to a country. He doesn't need to be reelected and personally loathes netenyahu and his right wing cabinet.Hes shown courage before with medicare - sometimes you just have to do whats right and take the political cost.Obama is not turning out to much of a statesman by doing whatever the Israelis tell him and leaning on everyone else (ineffectually as well) to do what the Israelis demand.

    The UK governments position is even worse.The vast vast majority of British people sympathies lie with the Palestinians plight but the UK has become such a US lapdog (even worse than Ireland a much much weaker nation) that their leaders cant even vote the way most UK citizens would wish.

    Fair play to Ireland. I thought Gilmore was such a numpty that he might even take a cowardly abstention against overwhelming Irish public opinion and his own principles.We are very vulnerable to US pressure so fair play to the Irish Government so credit where credit is due.Ireland is a true friend to Palestine (and Israel too of course-sometimes you need to tell mates when they are in the wrong)


    I was talking about Eastern Europe. You often hear monkey chants when teams with black players go there in European matches. Saw it myself when Shels were playing Staeua Bucarest. The entire stadium was doing it.

    They would consider moslems racially inferior to Israelis. Thats just how they are there. Not to mention the millions of catholic headbangers in Poland who see Islam as a heretical religion.

    It's very backward there. Go there and see for yourself. Skinheads all over these countries.


  • #89
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    pickarooney wrote: »
    Threw a hissy fit how? Is there an article or a video we can see?

    The only full account of it I've seen was from an Israeli newspaper called Haaretz, which unfortunately has recently put its website behind a paywall. Trying to find other sources which sum up America's behavior over the last week, both before and after the vote


  • #90
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    Seaneh wrote: »
    They spent the week threatening the Palestinians with sanctions and with holding aide. That is throwing a hissy fit.

    The US withholding aid to Palestine?


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  • #91
    jonsnow
    Registered Users Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    OurLadyofKnock wrote: »
    I was talking about Eastern Europe. You often hear monkey chants when teams with black players go there in European matches. Saw it myself when Shels were playing Staeua Bucarest. The entire stadium was doing it.

    They would consider moslems racially inferior to Israelis. Thats just how they are there. Not to mention the millions of catholic headbangers in Poland who see Islam as a heretical religion.

    It's very backward there. Go there and see for yourself. Skinheads all over these countries.

    I know what you were talking about and while there are some far right elements in eastern europe you can't just stereotype half a continent and call them backwards. That is playing into stereotypes as well. The main reason that eastern european countries are toing the line is because they are more vunerable to US pressure than established EU countries.


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