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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,011 ✭✭✭Itziger


    The bloody tely's gone and died on me. Snow on the dish or something. Was really looking forward to this evening's line up. That women's pole vault looked like it was going to be one hell of a competition. And the 800 mens and then the 1500. Bollic$ anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Itziger wrote: »
    The bloody tely's gone and died on me. Snow on the dish or something. Was really looking forward to this evening's line up. That women's pole vault looked like it was going to be one hell of a competition. And the 800 mens and then the 1500. Bollic$ anyway.

    Try the mobdro app


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,011 ✭✭✭Itziger


    Came back on. Got to see the 800 and now it turns out the winner AND second are DQ'd . It's beyond a fooking joke at this stage. The DQs at 400 and now 800 are almost enough to turn me off the sport. And that's saying a lot, I've been watching athletics since about 1976. 
    I suppose there is the pole vault, what? 
    And we do get to see Dibaba again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,102 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    What a performance by Laura Muir.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,364 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    What a performance by Laura Muir.

    She's great to watch. Interesting to see how she does when the studying is finished.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Never seen someone perform such a hilariously moody teenager look on the podium as the Dutch woman just then. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭wgtomblin


    The Big London Half at 9am Sunday. Farah v Hawkins is the headliner.

    Not televised as far as I know, but live commentary on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭4Ad


    robinph wrote: »
    Never seen someone perform such a hilariously moody teenager look on the podium as the Dutch woman just then. :)

    Ya one Hassan, I noticed that..moody cheann on her.
    I love watching Laur Muir running..


  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭wgtomblin


    wgtomblin wrote: »
    The Big London Half at 9am Sunday. Farah v Hawkins is the headliner.

    Not televised as far as I know, but live commentary on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra.

    Farah wins in 61:40 ahead of Wanjiru and Hawkins. 5 seconds separated the first three.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,011 ✭✭✭Itziger


    wgtomblin wrote: »
    wgtomblin wrote: »
    The Big London Half at 9am Sunday. Farah v Hawkins is the headliner.

    Not televised as far as I know, but live commentary on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra.

    Farah wins in 61:40 ahead of Wanjiru and Hawkins. 5 seconds separated the first three.
    MP for for the very top lads.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭Safiri


    Can't understand why Wanjiru didn't take it out fast but maybe he wasn't a fan of the weather, himself and Hawkins were never going to challenge him in a sprint. Wouldn't pay much attention to time in this one though, Farah said he felt very comfortable the whole way and with the nature of marathon training at the elite level, it's very rare to see someone do/be able to run very fast half 5-6 weeks out from a marathon.

    Still, he has no shot in London and has said so himself in the last week. His only shot at a top 3-4 is when the race blows to pieces as usual from the early pace if he can reel them in. Mo is never going to be able to hang with the top guys in fast marathons; he's a 3:28 1500 guy and to be able to run 3:28 and 2:03 would require some sort of extreme freak athlete among an already extremely freakish bunch of athletes.

    While on the subject of Freakish outliers, Rod Dixon's(once ranked no.1 in the World in the 1500m and marathon) 34 year old New Zealand national record was taken down by Jake Robertson in his debut this morning in Lake Biwa finishing in 2:08:26 to lob nearly 30 seconds off the old mark.

    For anyone unfamilar with the Lake Biwa marathon, it's the hardest marathon in the world to qualify for. Entry standard is sub-2:30 or a 1:10 half and even on raceday; if you slip outside 2:30 pace at any point; a sweeper bus comes along and pulls you off the course.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,841 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Safiri wrote: »
    Can't understand why Wanjiru didn't take it out fast but maybe he wasn't a fan of the weather, himself and Hawkins were never going to challenge him in a sprint. Wouldn't pay much attention to time in this one though, Farah said he felt very comfortable the whole way and with the nature of marathon training at the elite level, it's very rare to see someone do/be able to run very fast half 5-6 weeks out from a marathon.

    Still, he has no shot in London and has said so himself in the last week. His only shot at a top 3-4 is when the race blows to pieces as usual from the early pace if he can reel them in. Mo is never going to be able to hang with the top guys in fast marathons; he's a 3:28 1500 guy and to be able to run 3:28 and 2:03 would require some sort of extreme freak athlete among an already extremely freakish bunch of athletes.

    While on the subject of Freakish outliers, Rod Dixon's(once ranked no.1 in the World in the 1500m and marathon) 34 year old New Zealand national record was taken down by Jake Robertson in his debut this morning in Lake Biwa finishing in 2:08:26 to lob nearly 30 seconds off the old mark.

    For anyone unfamilar with the Lake Biwa marathon, it's the hardest marathon in the world to qualify for. Entry standard is sub-2:30 or a 1:10 half and even on raceday; if you slip outside 2:30 pace at any point; a sweeper bus comes along and pulls you off the course.

    Kipchoge is a 3:33 1500m runner.

    Mo won't win a fast race but he could win a marathon without pacer as is a smart runner.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,011 ✭✭✭Itziger


    Safiri wrote: »
    Can't understand why Wanjiru didn't take it out fast but maybe he wasn't a fan of the weather, himself and Hawkins were never going to challenge him in a sprint. Wouldn't pay much attention to time in this one though, Farah said he felt very comfortable the whole way and with the nature of marathon training at the elite level, it's very rare to see someone do/be able to run very fast half 5-6 weeks out from a marathon.

    Still, he has no shot in London and has said so himself in the last week. His only shot at a top 3-4 is when the race blows to pieces as usual from the early pace if he can reel them in. Mo is never going to be able to hang with the top guys in fast marathons; he's a 3:28 1500 guy and to be able to run 3:28 and 2:03 would require some sort of extreme freak athlete among an already extremely freakish  bunch of athletes.

    While on the subject of Freakish outliers, Rod Dixon's(once ranked no.1 in the World in the 1500m and marathon) 34 year old New Zealand national record was taken down by Jake Robertson in his debut this morning in Lake Biwa finishing in 2:08:26 to lob nearly 30 seconds off the old mark.

    For anyone unfamilar with the Lake Biwa marathon, it's the hardest marathon in the world to qualify for. Entry standard is sub-2:30 or a 1:10 half and even on raceday; if you slip outside 2:30 pace at any point; a sweeper bus comes along and pulls you off the course.

    Kipchoge is a 3:33 1500m runner.

    Mo  won't win a fast race but he could win a marathon without pacer as is a smart runner.
    For sure 3.33 ain't too shabby, but 5 seconds at elite 1500 metres is a looooong way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭Safiri


    Kipchoge is a 3:33 1500m runner.

    Mo won't win a fast race but he could win a marathon without pacer as is a smart runner.

    5 seconds over the 1500 is an eternity, it's closer to not being an Olympic Q time than it is to 3:28. Some perspective:

    Mo Farah is 10th All-time athlete in the 1500m
    Eliud Kipchoge is 155th All-time in the 1500m

    Mo Farah's 3:28.81 is 32nd all-time performance in the 1500m
    Eliud Kipchoge is not in the top 1000 performances of all-time in the 1500m

    The earliest performance faster than Mo Farah's 3:28.81 is Morcelli's 3:27 in 1995

    The earliest performance faster than Kipchoge's 3:33.21 is Jim Ryun's 3:33.1 on a cinder track in 1967

    This isn't a jab at Kipchoge as he is incredible but it just to prove how large the gulf is between 3:28 and 3:33. No one could expect a guy like Kipchoge who is all-time top 5 in the marathon to be an all-time threat at 1500 and the inverse is true for Farah. They both have phenomenal ranges but their bias is different. I know a lot of people will throw shade at Farah if he can't hang with the very top guys in the marathon but there shouldn't be any expectation of him doing that, it's just not realistic for any athlete to have that range. An all-time 10th position in the marathon is sub-2:04 if your to equate Farah's 3:28 to a marathon performance through a range argument.

    The closest to 1500m- marathon god range is probably Bekele with a 3:31 1500 and 2:03.02 but those 3 more seconds quicker at 1500m mean you going to have trouble with the marathon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,841 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Safiri wrote: »
    5 seconds over the 1500 is an eternity, it's closer to not being an Olympic Q time than it is to 3:28. Some perspective:

    Mo Farah is 10th All-time athlete in the 1500m
    Eliud Kipchoge is 155th All-time in the 1500m

    Mo Farah's 3:28.81 is 32nd all-time performance in the 1500m
    Eliud Kipchoge is not in the top 1000 performances of all-time in the 1500m

    The earliest performance faster than Mo Farah's 3:28.81 is Morcelli's 3:27 in 1995

    The earliest performance faster than Kipchoge's 3:33.21 is Jim Ryun's 3:33.1 on a cinder track in 1967

    This isn't a jab at Kipchoge as he is incredible but it just to prove how large the gulf is between 3:28 and 3:33. No one could expect a guy like Kipchoge who is all-time top 5 in the marathon to be an all-time threat at 1500 and the inverse is true for Farah. They both have phenomenal ranges but their bias is different. I know a lot of people will throw shade at Farah if he can't hang with the very top guys in the marathon but there shouldn't be any expectation of him doing that, it's just not realistic for any athlete to have that range. An all-time 10th position in the marathon is sub-2:04 if your to equate Farah's 3:28 to a marathon performance through a range argument.

    The closest to 1500m- marathon god range is probably Bekele with a 3:31 1500 and 2:03.02 but those 3 more seconds quicker at 1500m mean you going to have trouble with the marathon.

    Very true. Bekele is just a beast with his ranges over different distances.


  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭wgtomblin


    Itziger wrote: »
    MP for for the very top lads.

    Yes, totally agree. Though in fairness the race was mainly set up as a "Best of British" ... particularly on the women's side. It's nice to see some pure racing as well sometimes, instead of record-chasing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    Safiri wrote: »
    5 seconds over the 1500 is an eternity, it's closer to not being an Olympic Q time than it is to 3:28. Some perspective:

    Mo Farah is 10th All-time athlete in the 1500m
    Eliud Kipchoge is 155th All-time in the 1500m

    Mo Farah's 3:28.81 is 32nd all-time performance in the 1500m
    Eliud Kipchoge is not in the top 1000 performances of all-time in the 1500m

    The earliest performance faster than Mo Farah's 3:28.81 is Morcelli's 3:27 in 1995

    The earliest performance faster than Kipchoge's 3:33.21 is Jim Ryun's 3:33.1 on a cinder track in 1967

    This isn't a jab at Kipchoge as he is incredible but it just to prove how large the gulf is between 3:28 and 3:33. No one could expect a guy like Kipchoge who is all-time top 5 in the marathon to be an all-time threat at 1500 and the inverse is true for Farah. They both have phenomenal ranges but their bias is different. I know a lot of people will throw shade at Farah if he can't hang with the very top guys in the marathon but there shouldn't be any expectation of him doing that, it's just not realistic for any athlete to have that range. An all-time 10th position in the marathon is sub-2:04 if your to equate Farah's 3:28 to a marathon performance through a range argument.

    The closest to 1500m- marathon god range is probably Bekele with a 3:31 1500 and 2:03.02 but those 3 more seconds quicker at 1500m mean you going to have trouble with the marathon.

    There's a bit of context missing here. 1500m is not their specialist distance so the type of race where they set their 15 pb is quite significant. If memory serves me right, Mo's PB came in the Monaco Diamond League meet where almost everyone ran a PB and in a lot of cases quite significant one. Winning a race in 3.33 is a lot different to coming 4th or 5th in a race running 3.28. Mo has an incredible range going by his Half PB and there's definitely potential to go fast over the marathon but it's a big change in focus so takes a bit of time. I certainly wouldn't write him off just because his 1500 PB is significantly better than possibly the greatest marathoner of all time. It is possible to run fast over both just not many people give it a go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭Safiri


    There's a bit of context missing here. 1500m is not their specialist distance so the type of race where they set their 15 pb is quite significant. If memory serves me right, Mo's PB came in the Monaco Diamond League meet where almost everyone ran a PB and in a lot of cases quite significant one. Winning a race in 3.33 is a lot different to coming 4th or 5th in a race running 3.28. Mo has an incredible range going by his Half PB and there's definitely potential to go fast over the marathon but it's a big change in focus so takes a bit of time. I certainly wouldn't write him off just because his 1500 PB is significantly better than possibly the greatest marathoner of all time. It is possible to run fast over both just not many people give it a go.

    True, his 1500 bests were coming at a time when the quality of 1500m running were dropping back, El G retiring and Ngeny was done at that stage so he never had the benefit that Mo had in chasing down Kiprop or being in the mix with Iguider and Makhloufi but I don't think he had much faster in him. All just speculation of course but he faded badly in 2007 at the Pre-classic Mile following Komen and Lagat who went on to run 3:48 and split 3:31 with Kipchoge fading badly to a 3:57 after getting gapped. It was a world champs year(where he finished 2nd) where the mile was an early sharpener for Kipchoge so it could very well be argued to be invalid but hey...we don't have much to go on:pac:

    I still think Farah is far ahead of him in the 1500m, running 3:28 when he wasn't even focusing on it shows that the 1500 is probably his strongest event and the physiology involved in being a miler of that calibre doesn't rub off too well on marathon ability, means you are fairly efficient at using lactate as fuel. Salazar said back when Rupp done a 20 mile run at 4:52 pace at 149bpm that Rupp had the potential to be a 2:05 guy and would be a better marathon runner than Farah because of that.

    Found the interview; Farah v Galen bit is towards the end:



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    Safiri wrote: »
    True, his 1500 bests were coming at a time when the quality of 1500m running were dropping back, El G retiring and Ngeny was done at that stage so he never had the benefit that Mo had in chasing down Kiprop or being in the mix with Iguider and Makhloufi but I don't think he had much faster in him. All just speculation of course but he faded badly in 2007 at the Pre-classic Mile following Komen and Lagat who went on to run 3:48 and split 3:31 with Kipchoge fading badly to a 3:57 after getting gapped. It was a world champs year(where he finished 2nd) where the mile was an early sharpener for Kipchoge so it could very well be argued to be invalid but hey...we don't have much to go on:pac:

    I still think Farah is far ahead of him in the 1500m, running 3:28 when he wasn't even focusing on it shows that the 1500 is probably his strongest event and the physiology involved in being a miler of that calibre doesn't rub off too well on marathon ability, means you are fairly efficient at using lactate as fuel. Salazar said back when Rupp done a 20 mile run at 4:52 pace at 149bpm that Rupp had the potential to be a 2:05 guy and would be a better marathon runner than Farah because of that.

    Found the interview; Farah v Galen bit is towards the end:


    It's an interesting debate to be had but using PBs without context I feel can be a bit misleading. You see a well paced 1500 race in a Diamond League in a quality field where everyone goes with the pace and it's PB central. You don't run a race like that, then your PB might be a few seconds down. Of course, running a 3.28 is phenomenal in any context, especially given it wasn't his focus at the time.

    Perhaps there is some logic in that the physiological attributes required to run a truly world class 1500m would limit you at the marathon level but it's just an argument that would be very hard to prove out given the limited number of people that have done either and the very, very limited number that have attempted both.

    It's interesting to see someone give it a shot anyway. His range from 15 to half is already insane and if he can extend that to the full, it would be amazing. Not going to be a much better opportunity than London this year anyway

    To bring things back on topic, is it time they perhaps standardising indoor tracks that are used in IAAF sanctioned events. From the rate of DQs that have been seen at the last two Birmingham held world indoors, it seems clear that there is some anomaly with the track. I don't think there is any standardised angle for the banking or the method by which it transitions to the straight. Obviously if this varies in each track, then it's going to be difficult for athletes to judge running the bends and infractions can happen. Also Coleen Quigley mentioned that athletes weren't even allowed to warm up on the track prior to the event, so this is going to further exacerbate the problem.

    The DQs made a joke of a lot of the races, especially the 400m and seeing Maslak take the gold in the men's while admitting himself that he sees it as a bronze makes a mockery of the whole competition.


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭echat


    There should be consistency in the application of the rules across major championships. What happened required a lot of video technology and a lot of judges time. They probably needed a good number of cameras.

    The rules seem to have been enforced more rigorously this time and I expect athletes were disqualified for breaches that they normally get away with e.g. touching the line on the back straight. Years of training and sacrifice gone in a disqualification that may not have gained them a centimetre or caused interference to another athlete.

    Would the organising country have had input into how strictly the rules were enforced? Most of the British athletes must be familiar with the track from previous races.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    robinph wrote: »
    Never seen someone perform such a hilariously moody teenager look on the podium as the Dutch woman just then. :)
    4Ad wrote: »
    Ya one Hassan, I noticed that..moody cheann on her.
    I love watching Laur Muir running..

    It's because of Dibaba's connection to Jama Aden. Muir refuses to talk to Dibaba and Hassan was unhappy to be sharing a podium with Dibaba too.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/43296871


  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭curtisbrown


    And Hassan runs for NOP.... LOL


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    And Hassan runs for NOP.... LOL

    And Muir has a time which has only been bettered by Dibaba and a selection of Chinese. Hassan and Muir come from the Radcliffe school of deflection!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    And Hassan runs for NOP.... LOL

    To be fair, she hasn’t run any faster since joining Salazar. When she was based in Europe, she ran 3:56.0 when trying to chase Dibaba en route to her WR. She blew up badly in last lap. There was a sub 3:55 there that day had she paced it right and not gone after Dibaba. Since going to Oregon she’s ran a high 3:56.

    If she’s on drugs now, with no improvement, you’d have to seriously question the doping methods!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    To be fair, she hasn’t run any faster since joining Salazar. When she was based in Europe, she ran 3:56.0 when trying to chase Dibaba en route to her WR. She blew up badly in last lap. There was a sub 3:55 there that day had she paced it right and not gone after Dibaba. Since going to Oregon she’s ran a high 3:56.

    If she’s on drugs now, with no improvement, you’d have to seriously question the doping methods!!

    One simple question....what percentage of medal winners in the indoor worlds do you think were clean? I don't mean that they haven't failed a test.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    One simple question....what percentage of medal winners in the indoor worlds do you think were clean? I don't mean that they haven't failed a test.

    That’s not a simple question at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,102 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Siofra Cléirigh-Buttner won silver in the NCAAs just now, with a new Irish indoor record of 2:02.46.

    Sean Tobin was 10th (last in the final) in the Mile.

    There was a world indoor record in the men's 400m:

    Place Athlete Affiliation Time
    1 Michael NORMAN SO USC 44.52
    2 Akeem BLOOMFIELD SO Auburn 44.86
    3 Mylik KERLEY SR Texas A&M 45.16
    4 Kahmari MONTGOMERY JR Houston 45.24
    5 Nathon ALLEN FR Auburn 45.27
    6 Nathan STROTHER SR Tennessee 45.67
    7 Derrick MOKALENG SO TCU 45.68
    8 Zach SHINNICK FR USC 45.81


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭Safiri


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Siofra Cléirigh-Buttner won silver in the NCAAs just now, with a new Irish indoor record of 2:02.46.

    Sean Tobin was 10th (last in the final) in the Mile.

    Great to see Siofra get the Silver, fantastic result for her.

    Tobin done well to make the final. Was 16th and last seed going into the heats on qualifying time from this year and was the only one outside the top-9 seeds to make the 10 man final. Probably not happy with the final but second team all-American indoor to add to his First team all-american in XC is a good season by any measure.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,492 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Anyone know if the World Half Marathon champs are televised tomorrow evening? My search has proved fruitless so far.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Anyone know if the World Half Marathon champs are televised tomorrow evening? My search has proved fruitless so far.

    Same as, think it’s being streamed live via Watch Athletics.


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