Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

Johnny_BravoIII · 21-07-2014 12:07am

Always_Running wrote: »

Was hardly super defensively when Armagh forwards had so much time on the ball to pick a pass or score. Clarke,kernan were so loosely marked and the runners weren't tracked. I'm surprised Senan Kilbride lasted as long as he did, he looked disinterested

I saying the system was super defensive.the problem being we had no options once in possession going forward.

Senan was decent in the second half when played inside near goal.his movement gave guys options in the second half.he had maybe 5 quick possessions and attemted to do something positive each time.

To honest I haven't seen them live this year. I was shocked how bad they were tactically going forward in the first half.

padd b1975 · 21-07-2014 5:59am

Strongbow10 wrote: »

The county board needs to broaden its horizons and look for a seasoned manager with tactical nous.
Shown up at both under 21 and senior level when it mattered, with a glaring lack of ability to make changes on the fly when things are not going to plan.
I'm
Fergie O'Donnell had the same problem when managing the senior team. Roscommon have huge potential but lack a disciplined coach who offers a bit of variation in his tactics. The players are there to be competitive if given the environment to progress.

You could have hardly classed Jim Gavin/James Horan/Jim MGuinness as aseasoned managers when they took over, yet have had fantastic success.

Roscommon supporters really need to come around to the idea that their players may not be as good as they think they are.

The whole camp went into Saturday's game top heavy with negativity and a vibe of damage limitation.

Even though Armagh were relegated from Division 2, there was in marked difference in quality, particularly in the forwards.

Always_Running · 21-07-2014 3:11pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

You could have hardly classed Jim Gavin/James Horan/Jim MGuinness as aseasoned managers when they took over, yet have had fantastic success.

Roscommon supporters really need to come around to the idea that their players may not be as good as they think they are.

The whole camp went into Saturday's game top heavy with negativity and a vibe of damage limitation.

Even though Armagh were relegated from Division 2, there was in marked difference in quality, particularly in the forwards.

In fairness the best wasn't brought out in Roscommon forwards. Cregg,kilbride who are two experience players that should be leading from the front were seen more in defence in Kilbrides case he wasn't giving the required work rate. The other forwards are young lads learning the ropes they were up against some top experienced defenders in mckeever,mallon and a real wall of defence that even Tyrone the week before couldn't break down. Murtagh for example was fed on scraps yet still managed to score the same as Tony kernan who had more room to play.

nice_guy80 · 21-07-2014 3:52pm

Not much Senan can do if the ball isn't delivered accurately into him and then he needs support runners.

While I understand the need to tighten up at the back, we have the forwards and midfield to beat a lot of teams and we should put faith in the ability of out backs to keep the score down.
We should play to our strengths - all good teams do. Once you implement tactics to negate the opposition you've already half lost the battle. Let them worry about you.

Boom__Boom · 21-07-2014 4:49pm

If Roscommon want to develop they need to take the league seriously. Posted pretty much the same below in the Cavan thread and it's worth remembering for ye lads as well.

If Roscommon hadn't got promoted for instance and Fermanagh had for some reason - Roscommon football would be in a far bleaker place - facing into the league with games against - Armagh, Louth, Sligo, Wexford, Limerick, Tipperary, Clare as opposed to facing teams of the quality of Kildare, Westmeath, Meath, Down, Laois, Galway, and of course Roscommon. Which of those two scenarios is likely to improve players/bring players on (even if it is "only the league") Basically my point is when you look at the overall level of difference in quality, Roscommon are a far better place than if they were still in Division 3. Look at the teams in Division 2 and what they have done in the Championship over the last few years versus what the teams in Division 3 have, especially in terms of overall progression. At the moment of the 12 teams left in the Championship 5 are from Division 1 & 5 from Division 2. Obviously being in those divisions doesn't guarantee anything, but overall it makes progress more likely.

Also I came across a stat on the Kerry website a few months back that someone posted about the Kerry juniors - Kerry used 29 players in the league this year and 9 of them had played with the Kerry juniors previously. When you look at the number of lads who would have been ineligible because of the clubs they played for in Kerry it's clear that it's a very valuable stepping stone in terms of developing players for the senior panel.

The nine were

Darren O'Sullivan
Anthony Maher
Stephen O’Brien
Shane Enright
Brian Maguire
Conor Cox
Jack Sherwood
Pa Kilkenny
Alan Fitzgerald

Some of them names might not be too familiar to those outside the county but 7 of them have already played Championship for Kerry and I wouldn't bet against the other 2 getting a chance at some stage.

Counties who don't take the junior seriously are definitely missing a trick imo.
What sort of approach is taken to the juniors in Roscommon? Is it being used as well as it could be to bring players on or is it more of a half-hearted approach being taken?
Obviously it's not going to magically start turning out huge volumes of players but as a method for bringing on lads - especially in terms of giving lads from smaller clubs access to experience with top-class coaching & fitness and giving them games against other decent players it can be very valuable.

nice_guy80 · 21-07-2014 4:58pm

Boom__Boom wrote: »

If Roscommon want to develop they need to take the league seriously. Posted pretty much the same below in the Cavan thread and it's worth remembering for ye lads as well.

If Roscommon hadn't got promoted for instance and Fermanagh had for some reason - Roscommon football would be in a far bleaker place - facing into the league with games against - Armagh, Louth, Sligo, Wexford, Limerick, Tipperary, Clare as opposed to facing teams of the quality of Kildare, Westmeath, Meath, Down, Laois, Galway, and of course Roscommon. Which of those two scenarios is likely to improve players/bring players on (even if it is "only the league") Basically my point is when you look at the overall level of difference in quality, Roscommon are a far better place than if they were still in Division 3. Look at the teams in Division 2 and what they have done in the Championship over the last few years versus what the teams in Division 3 have, especially in terms of overall progression. At the moment of the 12 teams left in the Championship 5 are from Division 1 & 5 from Division 2. Obviously being in those divisions doesn't guarantee anything, but overall it makes progress more likely.

Also I came across a stat on the Kerry website a few months back that someone posted about the Kerry juniors - Kerry used 29 players in the league this year and 9 of them had played with the Kerry juniors previously. When you look at the number of lads who would have been ineligible because of the clubs they played for in Kerry it's clear that it's a very valuable stepping stone in terms of developing players for the senior panel.

The nine were

Darren O'Sullivan
Anthony Maher
Stephen O’Brien
Shane Enright
Brian Maguire
Conor Cox
Jack Sherwood
Pa Kilkenny
Alan Fitzgerald

Some of them names might not be too familiar to those outside the county but 7 of them have already played Championship for Kerry and I wouldn't bet against the other 2 getting a chance at some stage.

Counties who don't take the junior seriously are definitely missing a trick imo.
What sort of approach is taken to the juniors in Roscommon? Is it being used as well as it could be to bring players on or is it more of a half-hearted approach being taken?
Obviously it's not going to magically start turning out huge volumes of players but as a method for bringing on lads - especially in terms of giving lads from smaller clubs access to experience with top-class coaching & fitness and giving them games against other decent players it can be very valuable.

Roscommon don't enter the junior anymore
It was deemed a drain on resources

Boom__Boom · 21-07-2014 5:14pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Roscommon don't enter the junior anymore
It was deemed a drain on resources

Ah that's just fecking reckless stupidity imo.:mad:

Beyond that I love the fact that junior gives lads who might not be up to the very top standard of intercounty football a chance to represent their county.

I know a lad in Kerry - decent club footballer for years who was fecking overjoyed at lining out for the Kerry juniors. As he said himself he knew he wasnt ever going to get within an asses roar of a Kerry panel but getting to wear the green-and-gold and represent his county was a huge honour.

With the situation with a growing club v county divide, I think the GAA should be doing more to push the junior championship. With no qualifiers it can be run off fairly easily and at least it gives some of the more devoted club players something to do as opposed to twiddle their thumbs when the senior team is in action.

Ros14 · 04-08-2014 7:49pm

Championship returns this weekend.

Senior:

Group A:
Kilmore vs Castlerea St Kevins - Saturday 9th, 6pm, Abbey Park
Clann na nGael vs Roscommon Gaels - Sunday 10th, 5pm, Ballyforan

Group B:
Boyle vs St Brigids - Saturday 9th, 7.30pm, Abbey Park
Elphin vs Padraig Pearses - Saturday 9th, 7.45pm, Orchard Park

Group C:
St Faithleachs vs Western Gaels - Sunday 10th, 3.30pm, Ballyleague
St Aidans vs Strokestown - Sunday 10th, 6.30pm, Ballyforan

Intermediate:

Group A:
Clann na nGael vs Eire Óg - Saturday 9th, 7.30pm, Johnstown
St Dominics vs St Michaels - Saturday 9th, Knockcroghery

Group B:
St Croans vs St Ronans - Saturday 9th, 6.15pm, Orchard Park
Tulsk vs St Barrys - Sunday 10th, 2pm, Ballyleague

Group C:
Kilglass Gaels vs Fuerty - Sunday 10th, 2pm, Kilglass
Kilbride vs Oran - Sunday 10th, 2pm, Kilbride

Who do we expect to come out on top in these?

rossie1977 · 04-08-2014 11:22pm

well beaten in the ted webb final today. its incredible to watch the systems currently being employed by 15 and 16 year old lads right now. galway had their system spot on with 13 men back and then brilliantly counter attacking at pace.

unfortunately the same can't be said for our lads at this level. they tried hard but we are starting to fall a good bit behind mayo and galway again at under 16 and 18 level which is worrying for the future.

Ros14 · 18-08-2014 2:00pm

Anybody at any of the games at the weekend?

megadodge · 18-08-2014 2:20pm

Ros14 wrote: »

Anybody at any of the games at the weekend?

At the Gaels v Kilmore game in Kilmore, which was actually a game of no consequence.
The Gaels won 1-11 to 0-7 without being impressive.
I still believe they are good enough to win the County title, but that doesn't mean they will.
On the Gaels current starting team they have three former All-Ireland minor winners, four players who played in All-Ireland U21 finals, a former inter-county senior, a Connacht minor winner and an All-Ireland Colleges 'B' winner (which some of the others are too). They have two other All-Ireland U21 finalists out injured.
They have an immensely talented team, but might be a bit too young this year, but if they can keep them together and injury-free in the next few years, watch out.

Ros14 · 18-08-2014 3:15pm

megadodge wrote: »

At the Gaels v Kilmore game in Kilmore, which was actually a game of no consequence.
The Gaels won 1-11 to 0-7 without being impressive.
I still believe they are good enough to win the County title, but that doesn't mean they will.
On the Gaels current starting team they have three former All-Ireland minor winners, four players who played in All-Ireland U21 finals, a former inter-county senior, a Connacht minor winner and an All-Ireland Colleges 'B' winner (which some of the others are too). They have two other All-Ireland U21 finalists out injured.
They have an immensely talented team, but might be a bit too young this year, but if they can keep them together and injury-free in the next few years, watch out.

They were very impressive against Clann last week, although Clann were very poor. I was at their game yesterday, they made 4 or 5 changes from last week and it worked. Castlerea couldn't handle Clann's inside forward line.

The game before hand was a very entertaining one, good win for Strokestown.

nice_guy80 · 24-08-2014 9:26pm

Roscommon U21 hurlers into another B final, v Kildare.
We might have lost the U21 football final, but we might win the hurling!

yabadabado · 24-08-2014 9:41pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Roscommon U21 hurlers into another B final, v Kildare.
We might have lost the U21 football final, but we might win the hurling!

Didn't we beat them in the final about 2 years ago ?

nice_guy80 · 24-08-2014 9:55pm

yabadabado wrote: »

Didn't we beat them in the final about 2 years ago ?

Yeah.
Roscommon were huge outsiders that day v Kildare.

megadodge · 20-09-2014 7:17pm

Just back from the replay between Faithleachs and the Gaels. Faithleachs won by a point and I have to say they deserved to do so.

They were unlucky in the first game where a lucky late Gaels goal nearly stole it and it looked like history was going to repeat itself again when the Gaels got another lucky goal well into the second half (followed by a point to put four in it) and it looked decisive in a tight match between very evenly matched sides. However, Faithleachs just wouldn't back down and clawed back point by point (including two soft frees) and Ciaran Murtagh got two massive points to give them the win.

The Gaels real problem was a lack of penetration. They dominated midfield but were content to play the ball sideways out around the '50 and then either play it into Mark Healy (playing at FF) who had to go to the wings to lose two markers and expect him to do it all on his own, or, worse still, just hoof a high ball into Healy where there were three or four Faithleachs players on him. The support play you usually associate with them was poor. The Gaels really, really missed Cian Connolly (injured I presume - didn't play), whose ability to win ball and finish would have given them an extra option and possibly freed up Healy also.

The first day I got to see Brigids and Clann too and despite Cathal Shine and Ultan Harney doiminating midfield, Brigids were far, far too slick and polished, plus Clann had no forwards (Donie injured). Was impressed with my first look at Mulhaire in the flesh. Shows constantly and works very well with Senan. They won't be beaten this year (which is not what I thought early in the summer).

Finally, I must say Ultan Harney is absolutely ready to play inter-county senior. His physical strength and control on the ball is stunning for someone so young and despite the fact that he's probably not six foot, his aerial ability is excellent. Hopefully he's brought in.

Syferus · 20-09-2014 10:49pm

Sure he was invited onto the panel by Evans but rightly chose to respectfully decline because of his injuries and other constraints - he only sat his Leaving in June. Don't doubt himself and Corcoran will be on the senior panel next year.

yabadabado · 20-09-2014 11:03pm

Did Ward get a 2 game suspension for the incident last Sunday ?

Syferus · 20-09-2014 11:05pm

yabadabado wrote: »

Did Ward get a 2 game suspension for the incident last Sunday ?

Heard nothing so I assume it's just a regular one game suspension.

Comic Book Guy · 09-10-2014 9:10pm

London and Sligo stand in our way to making the provincial final and at least a place in the last 12 of the All Ireland series, great opportunity to push on from this years improvement.
Is Liam Kearns now part of the management team?

yabadabado · 09-10-2014 9:15pm

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

London and Sligo stand in our way to making the provincial final and at least a place in the last 12 of the All Ireland series, great opportunity to push on from this years improvement.
Is Liam Kearns now part of the management team?

Best draw possible and hope we continue to improve.

Kearns has joined the backroom team.Mark Dowd is the new U21 manager.

SureYWouldntYa · 09-10-2014 9:26pm

No excuses not to get into a Connacht final.

Even though we're in the top side of the draw, would we be conceding home advantage to whoever we may play in the final ? On account of the Hyde being in a bad state or something

yabadabado · 09-10-2014 9:32pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

No excuses not to get into a Connacht final.

Even though we're in the top side of the draw, would we be conceding home advantage to whoever we may play in the final ? On account of the Hyde being in a bad state or something

Can't play a final in the Hyde .Hopefully the redevelopment has started by then anyways.

rossie1977 · 09-10-2014 10:03pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Even though we're in the top side of the draw, would we be conceding home advantage to whoever we may play in the final ? On account of the Hyde being in a bad state or something

if roscommon were to get to a final they would be automatically away to galway or mayo anyway having played them at home last time around.

what is interesting is that seeing as the hyde is no longer suitable for finals roscommon should get the choice of neutral venue, the same option leitrim and sligo would get in their position.

Always_Running · 09-10-2014 10:06pm

Johnny Davey tweet.

81, 87, 97, 07, we've a curiously good record of overturning Ros when not expected to.

Hulk Hands · 09-10-2014 10:25pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

if roscommon were to get to a final they would be automatically away to galway or mayo anyway having played them at home last time around.

what is interesting is that seeing as the hyde is no longer suitable for finals roscommon should get the choice of neutral venue, the same option leitrim and sligo would get in their position.

This year coming? That would be ridiculous, especially given that the Hyde should be back to normal the following year. Just play it away and we all carry on as normal

rossie1977 · 09-10-2014 10:38pm

Hulk Hands wrote: »

This year coming? That would be ridiculous, especially given that the Hyde should be back to normal the following year. Just play it away and we all carry on as normal

they will be no redevelopment in the hyde for years to come. summer 2015 is the earliest they expect to start work and you can see that being pushed back further and further as we get closer http://www.roscommonherald.ie/2014/07/22/development-hyde-park-next-summer/

theoneeyedman · 09-10-2014 10:44pm

Hulk Hands wrote: »

This year coming? That would be ridiculous, especially given that the Hyde should be back to normal the following year. Just play it away and we all carry on as normal

If the agreement is as described there is no way we should play away from home, rather than at a neutral venue.

Hulk Hands · 09-10-2014 10:46pm

If Roscommon last played Mayo/Galway at home then the next match should be away. that's common sense. It's not other counties fault that Roscommon can't provide a suitable ground. if after this year, it looks long term like Roscommon will have no home ground, then maybe rearrange the agreement to neutral every year. No way the winner of Mayo/Galway should agree to that this year however

rossie1977 · 10-10-2014 1:30pm

Hulk Hands wrote: »

If Roscommon last played Mayo/Galway at home then the next match should be away.

finals are different though. if sligo gets galway in the final next year its a neutral venue even though sligo were at home to galway this year.

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