Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

blowitupref · 19-07-2014 12:51am

Looks like a bruising contest in store with no quarter given none taken. Armagh like Roscommon are now well organised,physically fit and Armagh will likely set up with two banks of six and break at pace. In a low scoring game a goal will be huge and i think Roscommon will get it, probably one of the U-21s Conor Daly maybe.

Roscommon 1-11 Armagh 0-13

yabadabado · 19-07-2014 12:57am

I can see a low scoring game and they better have sorted out the free taking from last weekend.Cant afford to be missing kick able frees against better opposition.

Always_Running · 19-07-2014 1:37am

beggars_bush wrote: »

Armagh have dropped to Division 3.
Ros should have enough firepower to win

Armagh finished level on points with Galway in div 2 and were rather unlucky to drop down. Since then they set the seed of doubt in Cavan,rattled monaghan in clones and gave a championship knock out blow to Tyrone. A very tricky game for Roscommon and will have to be at their best to win it.

Syferus · 19-07-2014 3:04am

We thought we blew our chance to close the Hyde on a high against Mayo. More than anything else I want us to win this one to have one last good memory before the ground is renovated.

Santa Cruz · 19-07-2014 10:47am

Beware of Armagh cynicism. Every score will count

degzs · 19-07-2014 2:01pm

How much for tickets for today's game and can they be got at the game?

SureYWouldntYa · 19-07-2014 2:07pm

degzs wrote: »

How much for tickets for today's game and can they be got at the game?

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SeanJ09 · 19-07-2014 4:48pm

Is this game on the tv?

Kat97 · 19-07-2014 5:29pm

SeanJ09 wrote: »

Is this game on the tv?

Sky Sports 3

kingshankly · 19-07-2014 5:31pm

It's very rare you see 8/9 lads with colourblindness on the one team
Roscommon are horrific have yet to score from play

Hulk Hands · 19-07-2014 5:33pm

They'll singlehandedly cost the GAA the Sky deal at this rate. 6 lads playing pass the parcel along the 45, deciding which of them wants to kick it wide

kingshankly · 19-07-2014 5:37pm

Hulk Hands wrote: »

They'll singlehandedly cost the GAA the Sky deal at this rate. 6 lads playing pass the parcel along the 45, deciding which of them wants to kick it wide

Totally leaderless haven't a clue what to do with it a man breaking forward and not one player in support

Boom__Boom · 19-07-2014 5:40pm

Roscommon lucky Armagh haven't a clue what a legit tackle is. Pretty much every Armagh tackle is on the player as opposed to on the ball.

Armagh winning the tactical battle far too easily, not helped by some awful decisions & execution on pitch by players.

corny · 19-07-2014 6:22pm

Game won on drawing board me thinks. Armagh direct when in possession while Roscommon are slow and ponderous. If they were quicker and more accurate in passing the ball they'd have the beatings of Armagh. The hand passing sideways is hard to watch.

Dublin Red Devil · 19-07-2014 6:40pm

kingshankly wrote: »

Totally leaderless haven't a clue what to do with it a man breaking forward and not one player in support

Who is the leader on this team. It's supposed to be Kilbride but he regularly goes missing for long periods of most games

Dublin Red Devil · 19-07-2014 6:42pm

Armagh looked solid in defense and the better team, more comfortable on the ball, more class on offense

beggars_bush · 19-07-2014 6:54pm

Armagh are a big physical team. They like to hit early and often. Their tackling was far superior. Stopped every attempt to take a quick free.
We played into their hands with too many hand passes around midfield and no early ball into the forwards from play or frees.
Took off Senan just as he was winning the ball.
Better drilled team won

RoscommonTom · 19-07-2014 8:21pm

Its disapointing but if I was offered this season at the start of the year with the promotion and running the mayos close id have been delighted, at least were going in the right direction

therambler · 19-07-2014 9:25pm

Massive setback today.. I'd say management were slow to react but they didn't react at all.. What is it with Roscommon and managers that can't adapt mid-game? There was no plan B whatsoever, you could see long before half time that they were walking through our midfield and that we played on a U-8 sized pitch.. We're not going to beat the big teams if we don't change tactics and fast! Not taking away from Armagh, they were better drilled, better prepared and wanted it more.. Disappointing championship again..

blowitupref · 19-07-2014 10:46pm

The organisation and workrate Roscommon displayed against Mayo was missing tonight. Armagh played their normal game and won easier than they expected. Much to ponder for Roscommon over the next few months they have midfielders and forwards to progress but how far will depend on sticking to the right system and find a consistency in defence.

Always_Running · 19-07-2014 11:16pm

Very flat display from Roscommon didn't give it their best shot. Armagh improving with each game I would fancy them to reach the quarter final at least and will stroll out of div 3 next year while Roscommon will have to be careful they don't fall down to that level again.

rossie1977 · 19-07-2014 11:27pm

blowitupref wrote: »

The organisation and workrate Roscommon displayed against Mayo was missing tonight. Armagh played their normal game and won easier than they expected. Much to ponder for Roscommon over the next few months they have midfielders and forwards to progress but how far will depend on sticking to the right system and find a consistency in defence.

we never laid a hand on the armagh forwards all night truth be told. it was hard to believe that was the same team that played against mayo actually. first half display was the worst this year from us.

one of two will have to take a good hard look at themselves and question whether they are fully committed to the county team at this stage and i am looking at kilbride and cathal cregg in particular. all the potential in the world but for me have never done enough at this level to be automatic names on the teamsheet.

padd b1975 · 19-07-2014 11:51pm

Real whiff of division 3 standard off that Roscommon performance.

Poor and slow decision making both on the field and off it.

You reap what you sow when you go a half of championship football without scoring from play ...at home FFS!!!

Johnny_BravoIII · 20-07-2014 12:47pm

The first half tactics lost this game.
We played a 2 man full forward inside line and the other 13 players hardly crossed the half way line. Forward play consisted of running ball from our own half. Typically down blind alleys. The 4 first half points were from drawin frees doing so.

We played with extra man back and super defensively. This meant when a player found himself in posession on the half-way line there was nothing on. There was no half-forward line!!

In the second half the Rossies played 2-3 extra men higher up the pitch.
When possession was won there was options and hence we starting scoring points. Without a goal it was almost impossible to get a 4 point lead back from a team like Armagh, especially with Jamie Clarke on fire and taking his scores at will. In effort to push forward for a goal we were constantly caught short-handed at the back. Eventually the goal came for Armagh and it was game-over.

IMO it was management first half tactics that lost this game.

Also, how did Stack not start?

Ian Kilbride looked leggy to me.
mcDermott, Senan, Cathal Shine all had fine games.

Always_Running · 20-07-2014 1:37pm

Was hardly super defensively when Armagh forwards had so much time on the ball to pick a pass or score. Clarke,kernan were so loosely marked and the runners weren't tracked. I'm surprised Senan Kilbride lasted as long as he did, he looked disinterested. Who is the Armstrong you speak of?

Comic Book Guy · 20-07-2014 9:03pm

Very disappointing way to exit the championship. A lot of progress has been made this year but still a long road to go.
As previous posters pointed out the lack of a plan b or even a small adaption of tactics to what was going on on the field of play was disappointing.
For periods of play both sides adopted similar tactics of falling back behind the 45 on mass but where we appeared clueless continually laterally passing with very few attempts to break the tackle, Armagh were consistently able to break the first line of defence and with ease at times with a simple enough drop of the shoulder.
The Armagh inside forwards were consistently able to control the ball first time in comparison to our attempts but in fairness this had a lot to do with the quality of that final pass.
A long time until the first fbd game but hopefully the upward curve will continue and we see the benefits of division 2 football next year.

davegrohl48 · 20-07-2014 10:05pm

Roscommon next year should plan the season around staying in Division 2. That means lifting heavy in the gym before league commences n then treating league games prep wise/tactically like championship games. Basically be as fresh n fit as possible for the league. Getting 2 years of at least Div 2 football would be massive progress. Mgmt/players would improve in the ability to compete with the top 10.

Strongbow10 · 20-07-2014 10:38pm

The county board needs to broaden its horizons and look for a seasoned manager with tactical nous.
Shown up at both under 21 and senior level when it mattered, with a glaring lack of ability to make changes on the fly when things are not going to plan.

Fergie O'Donnell had the same problem when managing the senior team. Roscommon have huge potential but lack a disciplined coach who offers a bit of variation in his tactics. The players are there to be competitive if given the environment to progress.

nice_guy80 · 20-07-2014 10:44pm

Strongbow10 wrote: »

The county board needs to broaden its horizons and look for a seasoned manager with tactical nous.
Shown up at both under 21 and senior level when it mattered, with a glaring lack of ability to make changes on the fly when things are not going to plan.

Fergie O'Donnell had the same problem when managing the senior team. Roscommon have huge potential but lack a disciplined coach who offers a bit of variation in his tactics. The players are there to be competitive if given the environment to progress.

where do these seasoned managers come from?

we're much better off developing managers from within the county as counties that do that have a much higher rate of success than the outside manager - Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Dublin, Kerry to name a few.
the only way to do that is to blood the managers from U16 up, get lots of training and experience into the management teams (yes, managers can be trained - coaching skills, management skills, tactical skills).

davegrohl48 · 20-07-2014 11:22pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

where do these seasoned managers come from?

we're much better off developing managers from within the county as counties that do that have a much higher rate of success than the outside manager - Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Dublin, Kerry to name a few.
the only way to do that is to blood the managers from U16 up, get lots of training and experience into the management teams (yes, managers can be trained - coaching skills, management skills, tactical skills).

Good point about training managers. They should have indepth knowledge of:
- Fitness
- Player development n assessment
- Stats usage in game and in season
- Tactical formations
- Game scenarios

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