How come Atheists are against anti blasphemy laws but are OK with bashing other .....

thatsthewaythe · 01-03-2012 4:14pm #1

peoples beliefs and religions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_Ireland#In_the_news

Turtwig · 01-03-2012 4:16pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

peoples beliefs and religions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_Ireland#In_the_news

Because criticism =/= bashing? :pac:

Links234 · 01-03-2012 4:16pm

I'm trying to figure out a way to answer this, but the question just doesn't make any sense... Even if atheists are "bashing" people's beliefs and religions, how is that at odds with opposition to stupid laws like the blasphemy one?

Gregor Samsa · 01-03-2012 4:21pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

How come Atheists are against anti blasphemy laws but are OK with bashing other peoples beliefs and religions?

Jernal's answer sums it up, but I'm curious about something:

Lets say atheists, as you suggest, enjoy bashing other people's beliefs and religions. Why would you be surprised that they would then be against anti-blasphemy laws? Surely it stands to reason that anyone involved in blasphemy would be against anti-blasphemy laws?

Edit: Links234 got there first.

thatsthewaythe · 01-03-2012 4:22pm

Links234 wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out a way to answer this, but the question just doesn't make any sense... Even if atheists are "bashing" people's beliefs and religions, how is that at odds with opposition to stupid laws like the blasphemy one?

Some hardcore atheists say that religion should not be a part of society, and some of my atheists accquaintences say it should be illegal, so its ok for a scummy atheist to say religion should be illegal but according to the atheists blasphemy should be ok .....

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Turtwig · 01-03-2012 4:25pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

Some hardcore atheists say that religion should not be a part of society, and some of my atheists accquaintences say it should be illegal, so its ok for a scummy atheist to say religion should be illegal but according to the atheists blasphemy should be ok .....

Basically, yeah.

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

So say we all!

Doctor DooM · 01-03-2012 4:26pm

Because most atheists (or should I say secularists, because other than not believing in god there's not much to bind atheists as a group together) would also probably be against a law that said you had to be nasty about religion the whole time too.

By and large, it's the "being forced" to behave in concordance with religion or whatever which irks the denizens here.

legspin · 01-03-2012 4:26pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

Some hardcore atheists say that religion should not be a part of society, and some of my atheists accquaintences say it should be illegal, so its ok for a scummy atheist to say religion should be illegal but according to the atheists blasphemy should be ok .....

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Blasphemy is one of life's great pleasures afaic. A victimless crime that pisses off loopers. Of course it's ok.

edit.
post 500. It's only taken me 7 years

Dades · 01-03-2012 4:26pm

Do we want to keep him, folks?

Delirium · 01-03-2012 4:28pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

Some hardcore atheists say that religion should not be a part of society, and some of my atheists accquaintences say it should be illegal, so its ok for a scummy atheist to say religion should be illegal but according to the atheists blasphemy should be ok .....

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Why should it be illegal to say that religion should be illegal?

Links234 · 01-03-2012 4:30pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

Some hardcore atheists say that religion should not be a part of society, and some of my atheists accquaintences say it should be illegal, so its ok for a scummy atheist to say religion should be illegal but according to the atheists blasphemy should be ok .....

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

if we ever get to a point where there are actual laws in effect against religion we might take that question at face value, but as it stands it's a ridiculous statement. besides, there's some serious strawmannery going on there because even so called "hardcore" atheists aren't advocating that religious should be illegal. to paraphrase hitchens, you can play with the toys; you don't come over to my house and try to make me play with the toys.

I believe in the mighty Thor.

Ps. Valhalla is better than heaven, it's got beer

Turtwig · 01-03-2012 4:30pm

Dades wrote: »

Do we want to keep him, folks?

Excuse me, "him" how do you know? This wouldn't be faith now would it by an atheist moderator!!?

Sonics2k · 01-03-2012 4:31pm

Dades wrote: »

Do we want to keep him, folks?

I say we play with this one, I suspect it's an second account honestly.

legspin · 01-03-2012 4:32pm

Dades wrote: »

Do we want to keep him, folks?

Ahh go on. Watching the lack of coherency and wooly thinking is soothing and re-assuring.

muppeteer · 01-03-2012 4:32pm

Jernal wrote: »

Excuse me, "him" how do you know? This wouldn't be faith now would it by an atheist moderator!!?

Faith!! Where???

skregs · 01-03-2012 4:37pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

How come Atheists are against anti blasphemy laws

Because they want to be able to freely criticise other people's religions.

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

but are OK with bashing other peoples beliefs and religions.

Because they want to be able to freely criticise other people's religions.

Do you really just not understand the words you wrote or what?

Stercus Accidit · 01-03-2012 4:39pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

Some hardcore atheists say that religion should not be a part of society, and some of my atheists accquaintences say it should be illegal, so its ok for a scummy atheist to say religion should be illegal but according to the atheists blasphemy should be ok .....

Why did you use the word BUT there? There is no but, those two statments work well together!

Why are liberals pro freedom of speech BUT anti-censorship?

Why are cake manufacturers pro cake BUT anti-dieting?

...

Sarky · 01-03-2012 4:39pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Apparently you have to believe ON him, or you're as screwed as the rest of us.

Turtwig · 01-03-2012 4:41pm

Sarky wrote: »

Apparently you have to believe ON him, or you're as screwed as the rest of us.

Is that the only thing you have to do on Him?
*Gets coat.*

Beruthiel · 01-03-2012 4:42pm

Sarky wrote: »

you have to believe ON him

Am I the only one to think dodgy thoughts while reading this comment?

Turtwig · 01-03-2012 4:42pm

Beruthiel wrote: »

Am I the only one to think dodgy thoughts while reading this comment?

Thankfully, no.

Solair · 01-03-2012 4:47pm

Actually, most people (atheist, and religious) who believe in the concept of liberal democracy, freedom of expression and freedom of thought, tend to oppose blasphemy laws.

Such laws have nothing to do with religious beliefs and everything to do with state control and oppression!

Bannasidhe · 01-03-2012 4:49pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

Some hardcore atheists say that religion should not be a part of society, and some of my atheists accquaintences say it should be illegal, so its ok for a scummy atheist to say religion should be illegal but according to the atheists blasphemy should be ok .....

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm agnostic not atheist - I am also militantly secularist.
My son is atheist - also militantly secularist.
My OH is a Christian -also militantly secularist.
My mother is a Catholic -also militantly secularist to the extent that she paid for me to go to a private non-denominational school.

The entire French State is secular - even though a poll in Jan 2007 by the Catholic World News stated that 51% of French people describe themselves as Catholic (although only 5% -10% of those attend Mass regularly

). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France#Religion

Who is saying religion should be illegal - most secularists are saying religion is a private matter and should be kept separate from the civil State and not be allowed to dictate policy, education, healthcare etc.

Should citizens who are members of a particular religion wish to follow the 'laws' of that religion they are free to do so as long as these 'laws' do not conflict with civil laws.
What they should not have is the right to expect those who do not share their religious beliefs to also follow the 'laws' of their particular religion.

EDIT TO SAY: my son has informed me he is agnostic not atheist and insists I set the record straight. So everyone my son, whose boards.ie user name should be pedantic nit picker is not an atheist he is an agnostic militant secularist.

Tin Foil Hat · 01-03-2012 4:50pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

How come Atheists are against anti blasphemy laws but are OK with bashing other .....
peoples beliefs and religions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_Ireland#In_the_news

Worst Troll Ever

Doctor DooM · 01-03-2012 4:56pm

Beruthiel wrote: »

Am I the only one to think dodgy thoughts while reading this comment?

Been too long since I believed on someone good and proper

Penn · 01-03-2012 5:12pm

thatsthewaythe wrote: »

Some hardcore atheists say that religion should not be a part of society, and some of my atheists accquaintences say it should be illegal, so its ok for a scummy atheist to say religion should be illegal but according to the atheists blasphemy should be ok .....

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Otacon · 01-03-2012 5:48pm

Hit and run?

Genghiz Cohen · 01-03-2012 6:01pm

Aww

Oranage2 · 01-03-2012 6:18pm

Have to agree with you op, I dont think anyone would disagree that we shouldnt have free speech and anti-blasphemy laws are a good thing because it keeps whats sacred sacred.

Also agree with the second part that Atheists do like bashing people. Also you know what the say about opinions, Atheists opinions are that there's no God and they want to force others not to believe while religious folk believe in god and just want to live in peace. And as they're both opinions (one opinion is there is a god and the other no god) both can be right.

The thing I dont get is if Atheists dont like religion in the state so much then why dont they just move to communist china, or even closer to the non-religious Mecca France.

smcgiff · 01-03-2012 6:27pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

The thing I dont get is if Atheists dont like religion in the state so much then why dont they just move to communist china, or even closer to the non-religious Mecca France.

Because we want to stay and save ye from yourselves. Can I get an amen brother?

Dades · 01-03-2012 6:29pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

Have to agree with you op

Are you also wondering why atheists who love bashing religion are so anti the blasphemy laws?

Because that one had me scratching my head too.

How come Atheists are against anti blasphemy laws but are OK with bashing other .....

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