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Horse trainer and house builders on secret HSE Asvisory Committee

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  • 22-05-2010 8:51pm
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    anymore
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    The irish Examoner has a story reporting that there is what it describes as a '"secret" group of 17 people advising the Health Service Executive (HSE) on reconfiguration of health services in the South

    Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/home/hse-under-fire-over-secret-advisers-120518.html#ixzz0ognxdcB6

    Builder Michael O Flynn and horse trainer Aidna O Brien are amongst the seventeen members of the group which is chaired by O Flynn.
    "Fine Gael TD Bernard Allen said it was "crazy stuff" that the existence of the group had been kept under wraps "

    " The future of health services in this region is being discussed behind closed doors by a secret group and it is typical of how the HSE operates. I found out about this accidentally, and I was gobsmacked," the Cork North Central TD said. "



    One might have thought the the days of keeping the public uninformed wre over but apparently not. What do you think - are groups like these a healthy sign of transparency ?


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    Elevator
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    one would have thought that 17 experts in this field would have been better than a speculator and a horse trainer, what are these two going to be suggesting?!? we build a couple of hundred hospitals accross the south and connect them all with an extra large course for the ambulances to race around in wasting more tax payers monies.


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    Elevator wrote: »
    one would have thought that 17 experts in this field would have been better than a speculator and a horse trainer, what are these two going to be suggesting?!? we build a couple of hundred hospitals accross the south and connect them all with an extra large course for the ambulances to race around in wasting more tax payers monies.

    Well a house builder is an expert in property and can advise on the best way to sell surplus land attached to hospitals and on how to build private sector hospitals - still Government policy.
    Now thorougbred horse are a very valuable commodity which enjoy the best of facilitiaties. A horse trainer might be well placed on how to strt impriving hospital standards in the hopes that one day in the distant future hospital patients might be able to enjoy the first class facilities that thorogh bred horses can enjoy. When was the last time you heard of thorougbred horses waiting months for medical appointments ?


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    ArmaniJeanss
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    Elevator wrote: »
    one would have thought that 17 experts in this field would have been better than a speculator and a horse trainer, what are these two going to be suggesting?!? we build a couple of hundred hospitals accross the south and connect them all with an extra large course for the ambulances to race around in wasting more tax payers monies.

    In fairness to him, he's not just a 'horse trainer' - he is the best horse trainer in the country, employed by some of the richest men in the world and a vitally important cog in a company (Coolmore) which has an income of, I would estimate, over €300M a year.
    He clearly has a superbly analytical mind to deal with the campaigns of over 100 pedigree thoroughbreds.

    It is quite possible that he could turn this brainpower into analysing datasets in other areas and make a worthwhile contribution. It is also possible that he would be rubbish at it because he does the horsey stuff on instinct or would be unable to articulate his thought processes properly.

    However to dismiss him in advance as being unable to make a contribution because he is 'just a horse trainer' would be typically backward Irish thinking.


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    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    In fairness to him, he's not just a 'horse trainer' - he is the best horse trainer in the country, employed by some of the richest men in the world and a vitally important cog in a company (Coolmore) which has an income of, I would estimate, over €300M a year.
    He clearly has a superbly analytical mind to deal with the campaigns of over 100 pedigree thoroughbreds.

    It is quite possible that he could turn this brainpower into analysing datasets in other areas and make a worthwhile contribution. It is also possible that he would be rubbish at it because he does the horsey stuff on instinct or would be unable to articulate his thought processes properly.

    However to dismiss him in advance as being unable to make a contribution because he is 'just a horse trainer' would be typically backward Irish thinking.

    There is also a slight difference between dealing with dumb animals and sick human beings !:mad:


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    Chiparus
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    The group was in existence before Higgins took over reconfiguration, he just broadened the academics and clinicians,

    The question is who set up the group and when.
    Who allowed a property developer be the chair
    What are the terms of reference?
    Why is it kept secret?;)
    Are there other secret groups directing medical care?:rolleyes:
    Are the meetings minuted?:rolleyes:
    Are these available under FOI?:rolleyes:

    I hear that following reconfiguration in the mid west the colocation hospital plan is on again.

    Interesting as Drumm says we have too many beds in the public system, Harney says we need colocation to free up badly need public beds.:rolleyes:


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    Chiparus wrote: »
    The group was in existence before Higgins took over reconfiguration, he just broadened the academics and clinicians,

    The question is who set up the group and when.
    Who allowed a property developer be the chair
    What are the terms of reference?
    Why is it kept secret?;)
    Are there other secret groups directing medical care?:rolleyes:
    Are the meetings minuted?:rolleyes:
    Are these available under FOI?:rolleyes:

    I hear that following reconfiguration in the mid west the colocation hospital plan is on again.

    Interesting as Drumm says we have too many beds in the public system, Harney says we need colocation to free up badly need public beds.:rolleyes:
    And harney's Ministerial colleague Michael Martin is one of the objectors to the Co Location Hospital on the grounds of CUH along with Green Chairman Dan Boyle and FF TD Michael Mcgrath.


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