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Voluntary Redundancy in AGS

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    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    They may not need to.

    A lot of experienced members are retiring

    So if they get the numbers to where they are supposed to be, no need to fund a redundancy program


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    Dermot Illogical
    Registered Users Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    danb24 wrote: »
    Does anyone here think they should offer voluntary redundancy in order to cut the numbers in the Gardaí?

    There's no need. Thousands can leave over the next few years, and they will.
    They won't be replaced, so numbers will fall naturally.


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    Paulzx
    Registered Users Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    Why would you offer redundancy when your staff are already walking out the gate in droves?


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    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Why in a country that (I hear) good jobs are like hens teeth, would staff be walking out in droves?


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    Dermot Illogical
    Registered Users Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    Zambia wrote: »
    Why in a country that (I hear) good jobs are like hens teeth, would staff be walking out in droves?

    Large numbers reaching retirement age, and each year they stay hits them harder in taxes.


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    ste88m
    Registered Users Posts: 169 ✭✭ste88m


    RT66 wrote: »
    Large numbers reaching retirement age, and each year they stay hits them harder in taxes.

    Plus the pension changes coming into affect next January.


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    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    ste88m wrote: »
    Plus the pension changes coming into affect next January.

    Plus many many many other things.


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    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Zambia wrote: »
    Why in a country that (I hear) good jobs are like hens teeth, would staff be walking out in droves?

    This;
    RT66 wrote: »
    Large numbers reaching retirement age, and each year they stay hits them harder in taxes.

    And this;
    ste88m wrote: »
    Plus the pension changes coming into affect next January.

    We're the same in the defence forces.

    Already personally I'm at breaking point, and with 27 years service I'm thinking of marching out the gate to protect whats left of my pension and grat.

    I'm sick of it now and feel like staying on is just digging myself an early grave and I'm sure its as bad in some units in AGS?.


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    danb24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭danb24


    is there anyone you could speak to that would offer you a package to take redundancy? they might give you the full whack just to reduce another number


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    [Deleted User]
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    danb24 wrote: »
    is there anyone you could speak to that would offer you a package to take redundancy? they might give you the full whack just to reduce another number

    Michael Noonan. Or maybe Alan Shatter.


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    Paulzx
    Registered Users Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    danb24 wrote: »
    is there anyone you could speak to that would offer you a package to take redundancy? they might give you the full whack just to reduce another number

    Have you read the previous posts?

    Why would you pay someone extra to leave when they're doing it already?

    AGS's problem is going to be keeping their numbers up........not getting them down.


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    -Corkie-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    Paulzx wrote: »
    Have you read the previous posts?

    Why would you pay someone extra to leave when they're doing it already?

    AGS's problem is going to be keeping their numbers up........not getting them down.

    +1 They are getting scarce enough without trying to make things worse. Maybe a package to get them to stay longer would be a better idea. I know a few members in their early fifties that are leaving. Thats too young alltogether.


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    Bosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭Bosh


    They did the same in the early 80's. Recruitment embargo; the job only recovered from that in the 00's.

    Exodus now is due to more than pension/pay. The sense of disillusionment and low morale is the over riding factor. I've 27 years done, I think I'll never get out. :(


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    Britt Reid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭Britt Reid


    +1
    have a look at garda inspectorate report on resource allocation here

    http://www.gsinsp.ie/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=39

    go to appendix 4 for service profile

    over 3,000 members with 25 yrs or more service, then big drop in members with mid-service and then huge increase in members joining recently

    it's already been announced that there is an embargo on recruitment for the next 2 years at least

    i'm only making the point that a lot of gardai could retire in the next few years and will not be replaced


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    Alfasudcrazy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Alfasudcrazy


    Retirement for me was more about low morale and insane workloads than anything to do with pensions etc. Garda management seem totally indifferent to the low morale issue and are significant contributors to the problem themselves.

    I feel a bit sorry for members presently in the 10 - 25 year range of service. I would have loved to have stayed on as I found policing itself a wonderful and rewarding job but as another poster stated above it was digging my own grave - just not worth the bother.


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    tomo536
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭tomo536


    Zambia wrote: »
    Why in a country that (I hear) good jobs are like hens teeth, would staff be walking out in droves?
    The good jobs are not as well paid anymore thats why people are leaving in there droves


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    tomo536
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭tomo536


    Dermot Illogical wrote: »
    Large numbers reaching retirement age, and each year they stay hits them harder in taxes.
    Their pensions are being decimated the longer they stay


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    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    3years to reply wow what an old thread


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