Miss Universe has a little secret...

hondasam · 10-04-2012 4:35pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Electroshock treatment is really the most cost effective and humane treatment.

Why are you so against them? how does it affect your life?

hooradiation · 10-04-2012 4:35pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

I think this is polital correctness or liberal socialist bullsh1t gone mad,

Of course you do, now shush the adults are talking.

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 4:35pm

hondasam wrote: »

They are not men now. it's a bit different.

ok , would you date a transgender ? if yes thats just what your into and if not, then why ?

Morag · 10-04-2012 4:37pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Electroshock treatment is really the most cost effective and humane treatment.

It does if they expect the State to pay for the purely cosmetic and non health related operation.
If they pay for it themselves, fine, go knock yourself out.

But it doesn't end there.
They push to force the rest of society to accept them through legislation.
Why should we be forced to play along with someone else's delusion?

Congratulations

Your post above has just won the most insensitive, ignorant and bigoted post I've seen this year on AH.

Seriously educate yourself about the issues that Transgender people face and stop making such a show of yourself.

davet82 · 10-04-2012 4:37pm

hondasam wrote: »

Why are you so against them? how does it affect your life?

A trip to Thailand no doubt, damn them sneaky he-shes

seamus · 10-04-2012 4:41pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Why should we be forced to play along with someone else's delusion?

I think you'll find that in general you spend a lot of your time playing along with people's delusions, if that's what you want to call it. Some delusions are greater than others, but in the interest of having a civil and enjoyable society, we tend to humour other people so long as it doesn't affect us.

And it's the same here. I really fail to see what business it is of anyone's. If someone born a man believes they're a woman, let them at it. Why should you care? You're not being forced to do anything.

"Purely cosmetic" is exceptionally debateable. The suicide rate for people with gender identification issues is high. Way above another other group. Yes, this means that they require a certain amount of working through their issues, but at the same time there is still the issue that they basically hate their body. Dysmorphic issues? Perhaps.

The problem is that the area is still very new in terms of studies. Suicide rates for post-op transgender are also very high, but the operation does help in many cases. So while clearly many transgender have more going on than surgery alone can fix, it's fair to say that the surgery can form a major part of the process of becoming a normally happy person.

Dismissing it as "purely cosmetic" and "indulging delusion" is as backwards and prehistoric as telling someone with depression to "get over it, sure what have you to be depressed about". We don't have anything approaching a good set of facts about the disorder, so making any definitive statements about how to approach the problem, is itself a delusional position.

hondasam · 10-04-2012 4:43pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

ok , would you date a transgender ? if yes thats just what your into and if not, then why ?

I have to be honest and say no I would not. There would be lots of reasons.

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 4:47pm

hooradiation wrote: »

Of course you do, now shush the adults are talking.

Im sorry if I hurt your feelings , your here! your q.... etc .
so please dont get you're frilly knickers in a bunch. x

davet82 · 10-04-2012 4:49pm

i think people can do what makes them happy once its not hurting anybody else, i just didnt think they qualify for miss universe is all (not that it bothered me a whole lot) but alot of the posts here today, well have educated me a bit so i'm abit more open minded about it and a little bit more careful about who i sleep with until i see their birth cert

thanks for the posts

CreepingDeath · 10-04-2012 4:51pm

The King of Moo wrote: »

Can you point me to some of the research on that?

Nope, I threw in a trolling remark, as I was being asked for a solution that doesn't exist, so I gave any old answer.
We're being asked to accept people with psychological defects and pretend they're normal.

Hamhide wrote: »

why is CreepingDeath allowed to be on this planet?.. sorry but the biggots belong somewhere else

Since you're in the dysfunctional minority, the logistics would suggest it's easier for you to move. Maybe Transylvania ?

Sharrow wrote: »

Seriously educate yourself about the issues that Transgender people face and stop making such a show of yourself.

I've heard it all before.
You can thank 1970's drag acts on TV and Brendan O'Carroll's "Mrs Brown" for making the condition associated with humour.

hooradiation · 10-04-2012 4:51pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

Im sorry if I hurt your feelings , your here! your q.... etc .
so please dont get you're frilly knickers in a bunch. x

The sad thing is you're as proud of that nonsense as you are of your equally moronic "cats in crufts" analogy.

Try having less awful opinions, or if you can't do that at least stop voicing them.
It'll do you wonders.

ejmaztec · 10-04-2012 4:52pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Electroshock treatment is really the most cost effective and humane treatment.

It does if they expect the State to pay for the purely cosmetic and non health related operation.
If they pay for it themselves, fine, go knock yourself out.

But it doesn't end there.
They push to force the rest of society to accept them through legislation.
Why should we be forced to play along with someone else's delusion?

...so when was it you got traumatised by that lady-boy?

:pac:

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 4:54pm

hondasam wrote: »

I have to be honest and say no I would not. There would be lots of reasons.

thank you for an honest reply , can I ask would one of those reasons be because you would be really dating a man ?

Morlar · 10-04-2012 4:54pm

Seachmall wrote: »

If I got surgery to look like a giraffe, could I get employed at a petting zoo?

(I'd make a great giraffe by the way.)

You've some neck you have !

Sorry

No I'm not!

Mr Benevolent · 10-04-2012 4:55pm

Einhard wrote: »

Also, considering the massive complexity of the human mind, I think it far safer to change the body to suit the mind, rather than going down the route of attempting to re-wire someone psychologically in order to match their body. That's a hugely complex and dangerous area to be tinkering with.

Actually it's much easier, cheaper and less dangerous.

The King of Moo · 10-04-2012 4:55pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Nope, I threw in a trolling remark, as I was being asked for a solution that doesn't exist, so I gave any old answer.
We're being asked to accept people with psychological defects and pretend they're normal.

And even if that were true, what exactly would be the problem with that?

And since you don't think there's anything that can be done to "cure" transgender people, why not let them have the operation if it might at the very least give them some piece of mind?

I guess you'd rather they lived in mental torment, which, as has already been pointed out, leads to disproportionate suicide rates among people who don't identify with their biological identity.

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 4:56pm

hooradiation wrote: »

The sad thing is you're as proud of that nonsense as you are of your equally moronic "cats in crufts" analogy.

Try having less awful opinions, or if you can't do that at least stop voicing them.
It'll do you wonders.

ok sweet cheeks , we'll agree to disagree.

Flincher · 10-04-2012 5:00pm

Seachmall wrote: »

I see Miss Thailand taking it in 2013.

And 2014.

And 2015.

And 2016.

And...

Miss Thailand won't always be taking it.

She might a giver.

hooradiation · 10-04-2012 5:00pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

ok sweet cheeks , we'll agree to disagree.

Hardly. That would be legitimising your terrible ideas and I see no reason to be that kind to you.

hondasam · 10-04-2012 5:01pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

thank you for an honest reply , can I ask would one of those reasons be because you would be really dating a man ?

I'm female. I would have to date a man who was actually born a woman. I know what you mean. It would be part of the reason plus the issue of children.

Gummy Panda · 10-04-2012 5:01pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

...so when was it you got traumatised by that lady-boy?

That scene in Hangover 2 I think happen to creeping

Hamhide · 10-04-2012 5:06pm

i tryed to kill myself twice and if i didnt get help and talk to the super awesome James Kelly himself I probably wont be here...let me tell everyone it doesnt matter what way u were orn in whats inside you and how you fell thats important.

If i makes u happy to travel the world,drink yourself silly to become a woman or a man then whats the problem? I'm very early into my transitation but i'm already 100times happyer then i was before.I can imagine how it would feel for a transgirl to win miss universe or a transman to win mr.Olympia

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 5:06pm

hondasam wrote: »

I'm female. I would have to date a man who was actually born a woman. I know what you mean. It would be part of the reason plus the issue of children.

oh , tbh I really dont have anything against people who are transgender , gay , lesbian , or whatever , in fact I think its good to be who you are , I just think miss Universe should be for real women , I mean there has to be a line drawn somewhere or whats next ??? the world is crazy enough as it is.

Hamhide · 10-04-2012 5:07pm

born* sorry

CreepingDeath · 10-04-2012 5:11pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

That scene in Hangover 2 I think happen to creeping

Nope, I'm just speaking out on the side of common sense here.

The only way a natural born man should be allowed to enter Miss World is through vaginal penetration.

corktina · 10-04-2012 5:11pm

Hmm transgender, any gender, same gender, opposite gender...who cares?, consenting adults can do as they please in my mind....(and THATS where 95% of an Orgasm is anyway.)..

live and let live, be happy.