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Things youth defence hates..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Against contraception.

    How does that work for married couples with kids who don't want more kids?

    I may have had a few Beamish, but, am I missing something? Should they try abstinence or perhaps using 'the back door' would suffice?

    One would expect the church to support the gheys, since they don't need birth control. :pac:

    Furthermore, what the jaysus is religion doing lurking in a chemist? Medicine, religion. Is there some connection?


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭NotForResale


    Against contraception.

    How does that work for married couples with kids who don't want more kids?

    I may have had a few Beamish, but, am I missing something? Should they try abstinence or perhaps using 'the back door' would suffice?

    One would expect the church to support the gheys, since they don't need birth control. :pac:

    Furthermore, what the jaysus is religion doing lurking in a chemist? Medicine, religion. Is there some connection?

    With the catholic church sex is for the purpose of procreation, so to be having it even within marriage and using contraception would be considered sinful. to add to that i have heard mention that abstinence within marriage itself could be considered sinful as nobody is making babies then.


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭stanley 2


    you forgot childabuse (abortion)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    I'm trying to keep a running tally of things youth defence and their members/leaders are against.

    And so far i have:

    Anti-Choice(no citation needed here)

    Homophobic
    Homophobic naturally that includes marriage and proud about it


    Against the HPV vaccine for school girls

    Against IVF treatments they other publicans on this too.

    Anti-Contraception : this had been pointed out the reading materiel they are offering to schools which exclusively promotes abstinence. They are not fond the pill


    Anti-immigration or racist to an extent. Its member/spokesperson Justin barret(Also protested against legalization of Divorce) Admits attending and speaking at far-right neo-nazi meetings. While another long term member Micheal Quinn (a founding member of the DRM an anti-immigration irish white nationalist movement)was also seen at their most recent belfast rally. he even filmed himself


    I need to know, is there anything im missing?

    Whatever about YD say, you're the one with the problem - you certainly seem to hate them (which is blatantly obvious from your misrepresentations).


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭NotForResale


    stanley 2 wrote: »
    you forgot childabuse (abortion)

    See "Anti-choice".

    You and them agree in other areas too


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  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭NotForResale


    Actor wrote: »
    Whatever about YD say, you're the one with the problem - you certainly seem to hate them (which is blatantly obvious from your misrepresentations).


    Where are the misrepresentations?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    Where are the misrepresentations?

    You accuse YD of being "homophobic" (a fear of homosexuals), yet cite some "indymedia" and "broadsheet" articles - both heavily leftist in their editorial policies. You really ought to try harder if you're going to try to brand an organisation as being "homophobic".


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    There was a program on RTE about the old tenement houses in Dublin. They were swarming with children. Women were basically baby-making-machines. When the husband got home from work, it didn't matter if his wife wasn't in the humour for sex, he was getting it. The church said so. Ahhh, the good ol' days.

    Because women had up to fifteen or so children, this meant that they also gave birth to two or three still born babies. There was no counselling back then. Just get on with it.

    The program showed photos of the little white coffins.

    The children lived in poverty, which was exacerbated by the churches views on parenthood. I mean, if you're struggling to raise two or three children, what's it going to be like with twelve? You could say your prayers, but what's that going to achieve.

    Best person to ask for answers on raising a family is a deluded celibate man. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    stanley 2 wrote: »
    you forgot child abuse (priests)

    FYP


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    They're anti-craic


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    There was a program on RTE about the old tenement houses in Dublin. They were swarming with children. Women were basically baby-making-machines. When the husband got home from work, it didn't matter if his wife wasn't in the humour for sex, he was getting it. The church said so. Ahhh, the good ol' days.

    Because women had up to fifteen or so children, this meant that they also gave birth to two or three still born babies. There was no counselling back then. Just get on with it.

    The program showed photos of the little white coffins.

    The children lived in poverty, which was exacerbated by the churches views on parenthood. I mean, if you're struggling to raise two or three children, what's it going to be like with twelve? You could say your prayers, but what's that going to achieve.

    Best person to ask for answers on raising a family is a deluded celibate man. :rolleyes:

    What would you suggest for the inhabitants of tenemants? Condoms? (or perhaps a sock in the early 20th century?)


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭NotForResale


    Actor wrote: »
    You accuse YD of being "homophobic" (a fear of homosexuals), yet cite some "indymedia" and "broadsheet" articles - both heavily leftist in their editorial policies. You really ought to try harder if you're going to try to brand an organisation as being "homophobic".

    my apologies, i had no idea you where incapable of following the link on broadsheets article to the homophobic youth defense pdf https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3Ivl7XmaaV4SDVQV05QWTlWemc/edit?pli=1


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    my apologies, i had no idea you where incapable of following the link on broadsheets article to the homophobic youth defense pdf https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3Ivl7XmaaV4SDVQV05QWTlWemc/edit?pli=1

    Fail to see any homophobia. Perhaps you can pass me?

    Also, all those happy smiley youthful photos must really get up your goat!


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭NotForResale


    Actor wrote: »
    Fail to see any homophobia. Perhaps you can pass me?

    Also, all those happy smiley youthful photos must really get up your goat!

    no you're just pretending it isn't homophobia, did you even go to page 14? are you just being deliberately obtuse?

    and it was picked up by boards.ie users years ago too
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=221779

    and you're ignoring the **** its supporters pull at "rallies" http://i.imgur.com/568Bb.png


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,969 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    I found this thread via New Posts, but now I have to change my Nic name.....

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    I think there's a banner in that image that says 'Pro choicers are idiots'.
    Oh the irony. Coupled with the fact that there are women fighting for their right to NOT be able to choose. They're supporting ideas thought up by men. It's like turkeys voting for Xmas.


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭NotForResale


    I think there's a banner in that image that says 'Pro choicers are idiots'.
    Oh the irony. Coupled with the fact that there are women fighting for their right to NOT be able to choose. They're supporting ideas thought up by men. It's like turkeys voting for Xmas.

    That was their 2011 rally. it looks like they just scrawled those on the back of their acid house smiley signs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    I may have had a few Beamish, but, am I missing something? Should they try abstinence or perhaps using 'the back door' would suffice?
    Up the bum, no harm done?

    MrP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Actor, you claim that everything that is posted in this forum is a misrepresentation but you can't provide any evidence of such misrepresentation. You just blame it all on the liberal media etc. Strange that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭stanley 2


    pulling 7 month pregnant women off the street and forcing them to have abortions yes that would be another thing i would agree with them against what about yourself


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    no you're just pretending it isn't homophobia, did you even go to page 14? are you just being deliberately obtuse?

    and it was picked up by boards.ie users years ago too
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=221779

    and you're ignoring the **** its supporters pull at "rallies" http://i.imgur.com/568Bb.png

    Nah, being against gay "marriage" is not homophobia. You're confused.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    Perhaps homophobic might be an imprecise description, but is there a word for wanting to withhold rights from some people that the rest of the population have?
    I have a real problem when it comes to opposition to universal marriage rights, i just can't fathom the reason for it, i have tried to get my head around it but i cant. I totally fail to see how the affection one person holds for another has anything to do with anyone apart from those 2.
    I cant comprehend how in 2012 we have the continued inequality in our society.
    This has nothing to do with the religious rite of marriage, just the societal, secular, marriage rights and protections.
    For centuries the churches have stood over marriage for political, financial, family ties, and other, more sinister, reasons, they have watched, directed and supported women being sold into marriage for centuries. In the case of some religions this is still going on. for them to be so high and mighty about the sanctity of marriage is laughable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    They are all staunchly against masturbation. Every one of them that I've ever told to go and have a good **** when he thrust his foetus porn pictures into my face has immediately launched into a rant against "the sin of onanism" or just put on a gob that expressed utter disgust at the idea of tugging one off. :):)

    I sort of pity them, but maybe they'll grow out of it.;);)

    That's the males. I guess what the women need is an intensive course of fcuk therapy.:D:D

    I bet they hate pepper spray as well, but unfortunately it's illegal in Ireland.:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    Actor wrote: »
    Nah, being against gay "marriage" is not homophobia. You're confused.
    Refering to equal marriage rights as gay "marriage" is, can you provide a valid reason for denying a section of the population civil rights? Because I've yet to hear one, and without that it's nothing more than homophobia dressed up as religious concern.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    stanley 2 wrote: »
    you forgot child abuse (kiddy-fiddling)


    FYP

    Although, tbh, I don't believe Youth Defence has devoted much of its time or energy to condemning predatory priests and the kiddy-fiddler church's cover-ups of same. But maybe 6-8 years old are no longer Youth-ful enough for them.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Moderators Posts: 51,683 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    of course opposing same-sex marriage is homophobia, you're discriminating against a group of people solely because they're homosexual.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    koth wrote: »
    of course opposing same-sex marriage is homophobia, you're discriminating against a group of people solely because they're homosexual.
    I think he is trying a kind of silly semantic meaning of words game. It is not homophobia because phobia means scared and he is not scared of them (though I reckon he probably actually is).

    @ Actor, would it be more accurate if we called it homodislike or homohatred? Would that more accurately fit your view?

    MrP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    stanley 2 wrote: »
    pulling 7 month pregnant women off the street and forcing them to have abortions yes that would be another thing i would agree with them against what about yourself
    What the fuk does that mean?!


  • Moderators Posts: 51,683 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    MrPudding wrote: »
    koth wrote: »
    of course opposing same-sex marriage is homophobia, you're discriminating against a group of people solely because they're homosexual.
    I think he is trying a kind of silly semantic meaning of words game. It is not homophobia because phobia means scared and he is not scared of them (though I reckon he probably actually is).

    @ Actor, would it be more accurate if we called it homodislike or homohatred? Would that more accurately fit your view?

    MrP

    Exactly my thinking on the matter :)

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Onixx wrote: »
    What the fuk does that mean?!
    Presumably the abductions, likely involving black helicopter and the secret Euro Army, where the women are taken to the multistory abortionplex which is a requirement of the Lisbon treaty so the women can get their compulsory abortions.

    Please, keep up.

    MrP


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