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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Thanks but the Sunday World story
    We can also reveal how official Garda reports in the case may have been forged, vital evidence has gone missing without trace and how officers took eight years to interview a key witness about the night of the murder and then failed to get him to sign his statement, rendering it useless.
    A retired Sergeant, Edward Russell, who was involved in the original investigation, has also claimed that he did not make a key statement about the discovery of the body attributed to him in official files.
    fachtna-murphy.jpgREFUSED REQUEST: Fachtna Murphy
    REFUSED REQUEST: Fachtna Murphy

    The statement made on the day the baby was found - April 4, 1973 - gives a detailed account of how he allegedly removed the body to the mortuary and identified it for the subsequent postmortem.The baby was buried within days of the discovery and the initial murder probe wound up within six weeks with no mother identified.
    It was shelved until 1995 when Cynthia Owen came forward and claimed to be the mother of the child. She was able to show officers where the body was discovered and gave them detailed descriptions of what was in the plastic bag the child had been dumped in.
    Since then she has given a series of statements to officers detailing the horrific abuse she alleges she suffered at the hands of her father Peter Snr and brothers Peter Jnr and John Joe.
    She claimed she had her father's baby aged just 11 and witnessed her mother stabbing the infant with knitting needles before she went with her to dump the body.
    In further statements she has alleged that her parents sold her to a paedophile ring that operated in Dalkey who ritually abused her , five of whom are still alive today.
    In 2007 an inquest ruled that the murdered baby that died as a result of stab wounds was Noeleen Murphy - the daughter of Cynthia.
    Her father, a "penniless" alcoholic, immediately launched an expensive High Court challenge to the decision. It reached court this week with Cynthia's sisters Catherine Stevenson and Esther Roberts taking up the mantle for their dead dad.
    Incredibly, both sisters have given statements to Gardai saying they knew about incidents of sexual abuse in the house perpetrated
    by their father and brothers. Catherine has said she herself was abused by John Joe. The case was struck out this week when the coroner acknowledged in a statement that the inquest verdict did not implicate Catherine in any wrongdoing.
    The Garda file on the Dalkey House of Horrors contains a dossier of claims. Of the six female children raised in the Murphy house, five have said they were either abused or knew about the abuse.
    theresa-michael-murphy.jpgTHE SADDEST FAMILY: Theresa and Michael Murphy in 1979, who both later killed themselves
    THE SADDEST FAMILY: Theresa and Michael Murphy in 1979, who both later killed themselves

    One, a niece, Theresa, who was reared by her grandparents committed suicide in 2005 but left a 32-page note detailing how she was raped along with her brother Micheal, who was found dead more than two years after he disappeared. Another brother Martin also committed suicide in the family home after telling relatives he couldn't cope with the abuse.Stabbed

    In a statement issued last night Cynthia said: "I was abused and raped over approximately 6 years by family members and a group of others including members of the Gardai and whose identity is known to the Authorities.

    Contains many elements not confirmed by the other articles.

    Thanks for trying though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    NB: The Thought Police are TRYING to scrub the Net - going 404 - of all links to the Dalkey satanic abuse cases involving the Garda! They wont succeeed because people like me save pages and buy the original hard copies!


    The Irish Star July 19th 2005
    (tucked away on page 20)
    Also see:
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    http://www.alliancesupport.org/news/archives/001682.html

    DALKEY RAPE ALLEGATIONS MADE AGAINST TWO GARDAI

    Added on February 20, 2007
    Ladies, Gentlemen and Scholars,

    The following articles were published on the Voices Emerge website www.voicesemerge.org in July 2005 following the failure by the Gardai to find any evidence of a baby's body buried at the "Dalkey House of Horrors". At that time Cynthia Owen (then referred to as "Niamh") started to make rape allegations against a "top Garda Detective" (as per the Evening Herald) and a retired Garda. Please note that the main allegations are that "Niamh" was sexually abused by Gardai (i.e. she is not just talking about a "cover up").

    In our child abuse witch-hunt I have frequently come across references to "Top People" being involved in a child abuse "ring". I assume this is typical paranoiac behaviour.

    Rory Connor
    18 February 2007


    DALKEY RAPE ALLEGATIONS MADE AGAINST TWO GARDAI
    Irish Times, 11 July 2005 by Marie O?Halloran

    DETECTIVES ARE EXAMINING NEW RAPE ALLEGATIONS, AGAINST A GARDA AND A RETIRED GARDA, MADE BY THE WOMAN AT THE CENTRE OF THE DALKEY, CO. DUBLIN ABUSE CASE.

    THE TWO MEN ARE TO BE INTERVIEWED, FOLLOWING CLAIMS THAT THE WOMAN WHO IS NOW 43, WAS RAPED IN THE 1970S BY THEM. THE ALLEGATIONS ARE UNDERSTOOD TO HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS, AND ARE BEING TREATED BY THE GARDAI WITH ?SCEPTICISM?, ACCORDING TO ONE GARDA SOURCE, IN PART BECAUSE OF THE DELAY IN MAKING THE CLAIMS.

    According to a Garda spokesperson, ?a lot of information has been put forward? and a number of people have been named by the woman, known as Niamh and all information would be examined.

    Gardai have been investigating the deaths of two children in Dalkey some 30 years ago, to whom Niamh allegedly gave birth.

    Last week the excavation of the garden of the woman?s former family home failed to find any remains of a child to whom Niamh says she gave birth when she was 14. The remains of another child, to whom she allegedly gave birth aged just 11, were found dumped in a lane in Upper Georges Street, Dun Laoghaire, in 1973. The Dun Laoghaire coroner has agreed to reopen the inquest into the death of that infant, a girl, who had been stabbed up to 14 times with a knitting needle.

    Solicitors for Niamh have said she had been attempting to obtain justice for many years and that the State owed her an explanation for the way it had dealt with her allegations of rape as a young girl by her father and brothers. Allegations were also made that a male visitor to the family home had paid to have sex with her. She also alleged witnessing the abuse of other family members and two of her sisters have also made statements alleging abuse.
    https://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2007/may/20/what-further-horrors-will-emerge-in-the-review-of-/


    What further horrors will emerge in the review of the Dalkey baby case?
    The verdict on Cynthia Owen's baby is up for a High Court review . . . at some expense, writes Ali Bracken
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    Peter Murphy snr: seeking to overturn the unanimous verdict reached by an inquest jury

    Why is the Dalkey 'House of Horrors' story back in the spotlight?

    Because last week, a High Court challenge was initiated aimed at overturning the unanimous verdict of an inquest jury that an unidentified female baby found murdered in a laneway in Dun Laoghaire 34 years ago was the child of Cynthia Owen. Owen named the infant Noleen and claimed it was conceived as a result of sexual abuse in the family home in Dalkey, south Dublin. After listening to harrowing accounts of sodomy, rape and infanticide over a four-day hearing in February, an inquest jury of six men and six women unanimously upheld her claim.

    But Owen's father, Peter Murphy snr, and three of her sisters . . . Esther Roberts, Margaret Stokes and Catherine Stevenson . . . maintain that Owen's account of giving birth in the family home to an infant, that she says was subsequently stabbed to death with knitting needles by her now deceased mother, is entirely fictitious.

    What's the basis for challenging the inquest's findings?

    The four contend that Dublin county coroner Dr Kieran Geraghty was biased in his conduct of the inquest and he wrongly excluded from the jury a number of conflicting statements made by Owen.

    In an affidavit submitted to the High Court, Catherine Stevenson states that the coroner should not have proceeded with the inquest in the absence of a body after he was refused permission by the minister for justice to have the body exhumed from the Little Angels plot in Glasnevin cemetery. The affidavit also maintains that the coroner "became emotional" at the conclusion of the inquest.

    At the High Court on Monday, Mr Justice Michael Peart granted leave to bring judicial review proceedings against Geraghty aimed at overturning the jury's verdict.

    What happens next?

    Coroner Dr Kieran Geraghty will begin the process of addressing these claims in the High Court on 12 June. When contacted by the Sunday Tribune recently, Geraghty said it was not the first time his findings have been questioned through a judicial review (it is not an unusual course of action against coroners' findings) but never has this course of legal action been successful. "In this case, all 12 jurors were unanimous in their decision so it would be difficult, " he said.

    Cynthia Owen also plans to travel from Britain to attend the High Court proceedings on 12 June. Her legal team will outline why the inquest's findings have no basis to be challenged. It is expected it will strongly refute the claim that Owen's evidence was unreliable and weak and that "retrieved memory syndrome" was used.

    Two clinical psychologists who treated Owen told the inquest in February that her story of sexual abuse and murder is "very credible" and "truthful and coherent".

    Other notice parties included the garda commissioner and Owen's brother, Peter Murphy jnr, who waived his right to anonymity and faced accusations of rape at the inquest from Owen and another sister, Frances, which he vehemently denied.

    While the High Court judicial review begins in June, it would not be unusual for the proceedings to continue for over a year.

    How did gardai handle the murder investigation following the discovery of the dead infant in 1973?

    The garda handling of the murder investigation in 1973 was explored at the inquest . . . and was highlighted as wholly inadequate.

    The green bag that contained the baby was nowhere to be found when gardai reopened the investigation in 1995 after Owen came forward to claim Noleen. Neither were blood samples taken from the infant in 1973 and despite the fact that gardai were investigating a murder, the child was buried in a communal plot at Glasnevin cemetery, meaning it could never be exhumed to forensically prove the child's identity. Much of the original investigation file was also missing.

    The night Owen says her late mother Josephine Murphy stabbed her daughter to death before taking her in hand to help dump the body, she says they met two gardai in a squad car. They questioned the woman and her young daughter about what they were doing out in the dead of night, but did not hold the pair up. Why did the 11-year-old Cynthia . . . who said she had just watched her mother kill her baby that night and then attempt to drown her . . . not run into the arms of gardai? It seemed strange to the jury that she'd rather go home to a house where she says she suffered systematic rape on regular basis than seek police help.

    Implications hung heavy in the air about why she would fear some members of the gardai more than members of her own family.

    Are there more disturbing details from the so-called House of Horrors story that have yet to emerge?

    It seems so. Minister for justice Michael McDowell has ordered a full report from An Garda Siochana into the handling of the baby Noleen case, saying he found it "profoundly disturbing". Patrick Gageby SC has been asked to look at all available papers on the death of the baby "to see if the public interest would require taking the matter further". Gageby's inquiry is expected to last a number of months.

    At the inquest it was suggested that Peter Murphy snr, a father-of-nine, was 'pimping' his children out to fund his drinking habit. Owen told the inquest that she was forced to perform sexual acts with a man referred to as E, a "family friend", as well as others she wasn't related to.

    High court judicial reviews don't come cheap . . . and neither do four days at an inquest hearing with a solicitor and a barrister. The affidavit to overturn the coroner's finding outlines the occupations of Cynthia Owen's father and sisters who are challenging the findings. Peter snr is a retired street cleaner; Catherine Stevenson is a cleaning operative; Margaret Stokes is a housewife and Esther Roberts is a nurses' aide.

    The big question really is . . . who exactly is footing the legal bill for a judicial review?
    May 20, 2007


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    that was 4 years ago, there is a book on the subject, there has been plenty of media coverage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    Yes plenty of coverage with the important claims left out!
    Heres the book but I havent read it - dont know if the writer included the satanic Garda cult claims!

    Cynthia has released a book outlining her story - called"Living with Evil"! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Living-Evil-Cynthia-Owen/dp/0755319044
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    There are lots of satanic cult claims in Ireland made by the Rape Crisis Centres and CARI BUT the Garda refuse to accept satanic cults are active in Ireland! Now I wonder why they wont!!!!!!!!!!
    Also satanic cult claims about the Marc Dutroux case in Belgium but when the parents , The Marschals, of missing belgium girl appeared on the then Gay Byrne show there was no mention of the satanic cult claims!
    The pattern repeats itself time and time again!





    http://www.sra-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/MarcDutrouxmurders.htm



    Here is the text of the original article in the Sunday Times December 29, 1996 - page 14
    "Satanic Links to Belgian Murder Trial by Peter Conradi - "
    "Brussels Satanic sects involved in bizarre rites including human sacrifice are being linked by Belgian police with this summer's string of grisly paedophile murders in which at least four children died. Five witnesses came forward last week and described how black masses were held, at which children were killed in front of audiences said to have included prominent members of Belgian society

    PICT0025.JPG

    The above article was published on the 7th March 2005 by CARI - "Children at Risk Ireland" - in a recent article in the Evening Herald 5th November 2007 - titled:






    Devil worshipping perverts are abusing children in sick rituals across Ireland, a leading charity claimed!
    The evil paedophiles subject their victims to horrible violence and demonic ceremonies before using them as sexual sacrifices for the devil!
    Alan Corbett of "Children at Risk in Ireland" said: "We have heard of people operating in groups of perhaps six or seven to commit their crimes and terrorise their victims into keeping quiet.
    "We have had a number of cases where sophistocated networks of abusers commit horrible crimes of abuse in an organised way. It is often backed up by a very strange belief system which they believe justifies the abuse and they crimes they perpetrate. People tend not to want to know much about this, but ewhen you work with the cases the details of the abuse is devastating. Traumatised therapists on CARIs help line received several shocking calls from victims of the devil worshipping paedophiles!
    "Today we can reveal the twisted groups!
    • ABUSE: toddlers as young as two!
    • SACRIFICE: animals to SATAN as they threaten victims with violence!
    • BELIEVE: what they are doing is sanctioned by the devil!
    • AVOID: prosecution by threatening violence or death if victims talk of the ceremonies!
    Mr Corbett said the satanic abuse was a growing problem and it was time for the public top address the horrific crimes. He said people who worship the devil hunt in packs, luring victims to secret hedaways and subjecting them to terrifying ordeals in the name of satan. His comments came after the charity received a number of distressing calls to its helpline from victims of satanic abusers. Mr Corbett said most of the terrified callers refused to reveal their names or details of where the abuse took place for fear of retribution from the evil gangs. But he revealed the terapists heard of torture, ritualistic sacrifices and sick devil worshipping ceremonies at the hands of the satanists. He added: It sounds like something from a movie, but rituals, the reciting of satanic verse and other bazarre ceremonies all seem to form part of the paraphenalia of this kind of abuse. These kind of dreadful crimes can only be perpetrated by abusers who have quite an unusual system of belief.
    There is every chjance the people involved have normal jobs and lead normal lives outside of the crimes!
    Tackling the abuse will be discussed in Dublin on Friday 11 the March 2005 at the organisations conference - From The Margins To The Centre!
    Mr Corbett said: What we want to do is get people to think about what we can put in place to make sure these kids are protected!"
    Reporter:
    stewart.maclean@mirror.co.uk


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    Can it be reduced in size?
    But you now can read the text!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Are there any actual press releases from CARI talking about devil worship? Because after a quick glance, this all seems to be coming from tabloids and blogs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    Are you actually implying that the tabloid wrote this article without input from CARI?
    Did you read what Alan Corbett of CARI wrote?
    He was one of the top members then but has since went back to England I believe!
    Are you claiming Corbett was not a member of CARI?

    The twisters on here are amazing!

    I have the original copy!


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Wow, the irony is strong in this one. I'm not twisting anything. I'm wondering if the tabloids and the blogs are. Corbett seems to be talking about child abuse in general. And any references to devil worship look to have been added later. I'm simply asking if there's any support for him actually having said this and for any information form the CARI site that speaks of Devil Worship. Or from any other official site. Blogs are simply opinion. Tabloids are known to lie. It would be foolish to take either as gospel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    There are many satanic cults abusing and killing victims all over the world, and yes even here in Ireland, there is a cover-up, big wigs are in on it.......as strange as that may seem to some it is plain truth.

    I know a man who's daughter was put into a mental institution in england, she grew up there, he lived in Ireland, he went to visit her and the stories she told him were amazing to put it mildly, he believed her, and I believe him.

    I know I'll be smacked with "But she was mental", but theres a lot more to it than that, that it's not my place to discuss, the man said before he dies he'll get to the bottom of it and sort it.

    Theres another case of a man trying to lure a young girl/child from a bus, he was arrested by gardai, turned out to be a senior officer, I can't find anything about it, but as far as I remember it was in Ashbourne, maybe somebody else can fill in the blanks, a few years ago.

    Expect to find me suicided.....haha, I ain't fraid of no satanic paedophile ring in high places, fukk you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    Several years ago I tried to find the links to this on CARIs website and I wondered why it wasnt there!
    I had to search the website to discover this fact!
    How do you know that these satanic articles are not on CARI?

    Also, shortly after the article appeared I phoned CARI office and I spoke to Alan Corbett and I sent him much info on satanic cult activity in Ireland. Not long afterwards he returned to England!
    Why he returned I dint know but coincidences keep repeating themselves when I send people, politicians etc info about the coverups in ROI!

    Also I know Fiona Neary of RCC ireland and they too have been in many articles which prove satanic cults are out of control in ROI!
    I shared a frontpage expose in Oct 1999 with Fiona and Patricia McKenna about satanic cults here!


    I suppose all of these persons are obviously lying!


    humanji wrote: »
    Wow, the irony is strong in this one. I'm not twisting anything. I'm wondering if the tabloids and the blogs are. Corbett seems to be talking about child abuse in general. And any references to devil worship look to have been added later. I'm simply asking if there's any support for him actually having said this and for any information form the CARI site that speaks of Devil Worship. Or from any other official site. Blogs are simply opinion. Tabloids are known to lie. It would be foolish to take either as gospel.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    I think you know more about this subject than the usual member on here!
    Are you accusing me of being a satanic child molester?

    The facts of the matter are that you have nothing but a loose theory that has no evidence to support it, or at least none that you're willing to share. Anyone who asks to see any evidence you have, is in on it. Pretty much a win win situation for you. You can spout anything you want and everyone has to believe you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    These are your interpretation of my observation not mine!
    humanji wrote: »
    Are you accusing me of being a satanic child molester?

    ..................

    However you seem to be intent in proving that satanic cults are not active in Ireland and the claims against the Garda are false!

    Why are you uptight about the claims that satanic cults are abusing children in Ireland?

    The Image in the Herald is genuine but you said in the second last post that the satanic claims were added later!
    How could I add the words to an image file of the Evening Herald

    "Kids in Satanic sex horror"!
    and quote
    "Evil devil worshipping pervs are abusing children"
    and
    "devil worshipping perverts are abusing children in sick rituals across Ireland" - author/journalisy Stewart McClean

    Do these words from the newspaper image sound like "ordinary" child abuse?

    Why dont you write to Stewart McClean and tell him
    his article is only theory!






    The facts of the matter are that you have nothing but a loose theory that has no evidence to support it, or at least none that you're willing to share. Anyone who asks to see any evidence you have, is in on it. Pretty much a win win situation for you. You can spout anything you want and everyone has to believe you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    What? You've made a claim and are simply being asked if you've anything more to say on it. Do you really think you can convince, or even keep people interested if you're going to talk in vague riddles and evade questions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    A clear challenge to you!

    The article in the Evening Herald was not wriiten by me!

    Are you claiming that Stewart McCleans article is only theory and HE had no evidence to support what he wrote?

    These are not riddles but you are making direct questions into riddles and it is you who is evading the questions!

    I hope the members will see through your spurious arguments, which as I noted before displays a devious nature!


    humanji wrote: »
    What? You've made a claim and are simply being asked if you've anything more to say on it. Do you really think you can convince, or even keep people interested if you're going to talk in vague riddles and evade questions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    dekarnys2 wrote: »
    Are you claiming that Stewart McCleans article is only theory and HE had no evidence to support what he wrote?
    Are you suggesting that that is impossible? Are you aware that tabloids have a vested interest in telling sensational stories, and often publish stories with little or no foundation in fact?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    dekarnys2 wrote: »
    A clear challenge to you!

    The article in the Evening Herald was not wriiten by me!

    Are you claiming that Stewart McCleans article is only theory and HE had no evidence to support what he wrote?
    I'm simply asking what evidence has you convinced. A couple of tabloid articles and blogs aren't enough for me to accept what is essentially an anecdote.
    These are not riddles but you are making direct questions into riddles and it is you who is evading the questions!

    What questions have I evaded? Seriously, you're talking bollox. You came here claiming to know the truth. If you know the truth and refuse to tell others everything you know, then you are just as guilty as the culprits.
    I hope the members will see through your spurious arguments, which as I noted before displays a devious nature!
    You're the one acting deviously. You're making accusations and backing them up with hearsay. Think about it. If I claimed you were a child molester and only backed it up with a link to someone's blog, would you happily accept that it must be true?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    Thats an old chestnut!
    "You cant believe anything one reads in tabloids!"

    The truth is many articles in the broadsheets end up in court also!
    I can think of one recent case involving a former female member of the Dail!
    So the same thing happens in broadsheets!

    Are you suggesting that that is impossible? Are you aware that tabloids have a vested interest in telling sensational stories, and often publish stories with little or no foundation in fact?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    Quote you! - "If I claimed you were a child molester and only backed it up with a link to someone's blog, would you happily accept that it must be true?"

    Where in any of my posts did I call you a child molester?

    As a Forum "Moderator" you should be careful what claims you make about others!

    When I stated that you seemed to know more about this subject (the fact that this article was not mentioned on the CARI website) than other forum members, that registered in my mind but the thought that you were a child molester was not in my mind!

    You could have covered the CARI Satanic child abuse story in previous forum postings!
    Any number oof explanations could explain why you "knew" that the articles were not on CARIs website!


    So for you to make such a vile claim that I accused you of being a child molester is disingenuous and demonstrates a nasty and devious side
    of your nature and personally speaking someone with such a presumptuous nature you should not be a moderator on this or any other forum!

    So you retract that claim now!

    BTW You yourself claimed that the text of the "Satanic child sex Horror" article above had been altered later!

    That is another lie!

    Remember that I have the original newspaper article in hard copy!


    humanji wrote: »
    I'm simply asking what evidence has you convinced. A couple of tabloid articles and blogs aren't enough for me to accept what is essentially an anecdote.


    What questions have I evaded? Seriously, you're talking bollox. You came here claiming to know the truth. If you know the truth and refuse to tell others everything you know, then you are just as guilty as the culprits.

    You're the one acting deviously. You're making accusations and backing them up with hearsay. Think about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Thanks but the Sunday World story


    Contains many elements not confirmed by the other articles.

    Thanks for trying though.

    I actually know someone who lived next door to family friends and she was raped and abused by her father and apparently some members from outside the family.
    She wrote a book on it.
    Truly saddening and disturbing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    dekarnys2 wrote: »
    Where in any of my posts did I call you a child molester?
    Never once did I say you were calling my a child molester. I asked if you were calling me that, as you have been implying that I'm somehow in on it.
    As a Forum "Moderator" you should be careful what claims you make about others!
    Again, I've made no claim.
    When I stated that you seemed to know more about this subject (the fact that this article was not mentioned on the CARI website) than other forum members, that registered in my mind but the thought that you were a child molester was not in my mind!
    This is madness. You quoted a memeber of CARI and I asked was there any offical press releases from that organisation, as they would go a lot further than a tabloid article or a blog. How asking for something from an organisation you brought into the discussion, implies that I somehow know more than I'm letting on is ludicrous. The fact that I'm trying to drag any information I can about the topic from you is a good indication that I don't know anything about it.
    You could have covered the CARI Satanic child abuse story in previous forum postings!
    Why? I didn't know anything about it until this thread. I didn't know CARI had a representative who made a statement until you quoted him. I'm not psychic.
    Any number oof explanations could explain why you "knew" that the articles were not on CARIs website!
    Because after you brought them up, I did a quick check on the site and didn't see them. I thought that you might have actually done a bit of research on a topic you seem to have an interest in and therefore might have a proper link.
    So for you to make such a vile claim that I accused you of being a child molester is disingenuous and demonstrates a nasty and devious side
    of your nature and personally speaking someone with such a presumptuous nature you should not be a moderator on this or any other forum!
    Again, I didn't make such a claim. And for you to twist things to make it seem like I did is disingenuous and demonstrates a nasty and devious side
    of your nature.
    So you retract that claim now!
    I have nothing to retract.
    BTW You yourself claimed that the text of the "Satanic child sex Horror" article above had been altered later!
    Another lie from you. I made no such claim. I said is seemed like Corbett was talking about one thing and the devil worship part of it could have been taken out of context and shoe horned into the article, as happens a lot with tobloids. So instead of blindly believing him, or dismissing him outright, I asked you, the person who seems most interested in the story, if there were any official press releases from CARI so that we can all see the full text of the statement, instead of something that could possibly have been edited down by the paper.

    Now, it's beyond me how someone could think that trying to uncover the truth of a story is devious in any way.
    Remember that I have the original newspaper article in hard copy!
    And again, an offical statement would go a lot further than a tabloid article or blog.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    Are you claiming I added the references later and they were not in fact direct quotes from the original newspaper article in the Irish Mirror?

    humanji wrote: »
    Wow, the irony is strong in this one. I'm not twisting anything. I'm wondering if the tabloids and the blogs are. Corbett seems to be talking about child abuse in general. And any references to devil worship look to have been added later. I'm simply asking if there's any support for him actually having said this and for any information form the CARI site that speaks of Devil Worship. Or from any other official site. Blogs are simply opinion. Tabloids are known to lie. It would be foolish to take either as gospel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    dekarnys2 wrote: »
    Thats an old chestnut!
    "You cant believe anything one reads in tabloids!"

    The truth is many articles in the broadsheets end up in court also!
    I can think of one recent case involving a former female member of the Dail!
    So the same thing happens in broadsheets!
    Right, so your defence of tabloids that print nonsense is to say that broadsheets sometimes print nonsense?

    Do you honestly think that addresses my point about unreliable tabloid stories?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    dekarnys2 wrote: »
    Are you claiming I added the references later and they were not in fact direct quotes from the original newspaper article in the Irish Mirror?
    No, I'm saying the article looks like the journalist selectively edited the article. From what you posted in post #65:
    Alan Corbett of "Children at Risk in Ireland" said: "We have heard of people operating in groups of perhaps six or seven to commit their crimes and terrorise their victims into keeping quiet.
    "We have had a number of cases where sophistocated networks of abusers commit horrible crimes of abuse in an organised way. It is often backed up by a very strange belief system which they believe justifies the abuse and they crimes they perpetrate. People tend not to want to know much about this, but ewhen you work with the cases the details of the abuse is devastating. Traumatised therapists on CARIs help line received several shocking calls from victims of the devil worshipping paedophiles!
    "Today we can reveal the twisted groups!
    The non-bold part reads like a quote from Alan Corbett. The part in bold reads like it is the journalists opinion and not a quote from Corbett. If there was an official press release from CARI, then that would clear up any misconceptions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    From start to finish on this post - the credibility of published articles in tabloids hinges on the predilection that "one cannot believe anything that is printed in tabloid newspapers!"

    To me this claim "one cannot ---tabloid newspapers" - is part of the recent establishment rhetoric surrounding status quo/establishments scandals and coverups --- of which the "Conspiracy Theory" tops the lot!

    It is totally questionable whether all expose's published in tabloids are without foundation!
    I say it is a falsehood!
    Some may be but not all!

    I challenge that and I dont believe it but the status quo in all western countries are using this claim to denigrate important stories in tabloids that the broadsheets will not touch!

    Secondly, whether or not the "said" article is listed on CARI website is irrelevant because CARIs name was quoted on the original of which I possess a copy, as do many people!

    If I or anyone were to challenge your claim in a court of law,
    the fact that CARI cooperated with the original expose' in the Irish Mirror is in itself enough to prove that the facts within the article were factual at that time according to CARI spokesperson Alan Corbett!





    Right, so your defence of tabloids that print nonsense is to say that broadsheets sometimes print nonsense?

    Do you honestly think that addresses my point about unreliable tabloid stories?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    dekarnys2 wrote: »
    From start to finish on this post - the credibility of published articles in tabloids hinges on the predilection that "one cannot believe anything that is printed in tabloid newspapers!"
    What the HELL are you on about? I didn't say that you can't belive anything printed in tabloids - I said that you can't believe EVERYTHING they print.

    You are some character. You don't seem to read people's posts properly - first you totally misinterpret what Humanji said, now you totally misinterpret what I said.

    Seriously, if you can't understand other people's posts, perhaps debating on a forum isn't for you? Please show us the minimum of respect by reading what we are actually saying, and addressing that - not some random point you would prefer to address.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 dekarnys2


    Obviously you and the socalled "Moderator" are two of a kind!

    You might bully the others on this forum but not me!

    Up yours!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    dekarnys2 wrote: »
    Up yours!
    facepalm.gif

    I take it that you don't want to address the points that we are actually making, then?


  • Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭RoboClam


    It's kind of annoying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Something i never heard of and i am sure no one else ever heard of i found the other day online.
    Anyone ever hear of this one?
    http://www.herald.ie/national-news/satanic-killing-that-shocked-the-nation-2660440.html
    I dont know the full story as all details still have no been released.

    Satanic killing that shocked the nation
    forgotten: Case re-emerged in inquest decades later,
    IT was a 1973 satanic killing that failed to grip a nation until now.

    Seven-year-old John Horgan was tied to the rafters in an attic before being brutally killed.

    But the case didn't receive much attention until it re-emerged during an inquest this week.

    Now the Herald can reveal that the killer was tried in an adult court and was given a life sentence.

    He has since been released and is living abroad.

    Tragic John spent the afternoon of June 14, 1973 in the care of a trusted teenage neighbour while his mother went to town.

    He had been killed by a massive blow to the head which had fractured his skull.

    It should have been one of the most talked-about murders of the 1970s but it went largely unreported and fizzled out of public memory.

    But an inquest was held into his death on Tuesday and the shocking murder came flooding back into the public consciousness.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Only heard about this today,live nearby. It seems it was kept well quite.


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