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MAKE SURE YOUR BAND MEMBER IS LEAVING BEFORE YOU LOOK FOR A NEW ONE.
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06-01-2012 11:14am#1Hi Guys
Im going to start this because this has happened to me a few times here in recent months and its realy annoying .
I have been contacted by bands or i have contacted bands via boards.ie who seem to have a "genuine" add up for a musician , After a few emails back and fort songs come my way that are learned and at the LAST MINUTE i get an email or a text saying "SORRY BUD BUT YER MAN DECIDED HE IS GOIN TO STICK AROUND AFTER ALL" or "WE DECIDED WE COULDNT CARRY ON WITHOUT HIM AND HE PROMISED US HE WOULD GET LESSONS" .
Dont get me wrong knowing the extra few songs is always handy and i wouldnt mind so much if i even made it to an audition to at least get to play them , but this craic of learn 5 songs and we will see you on friday... then getting a text on thursday night , come on guys if your going looking for a new band member at least make sure the one you have is definatly heading out the exit door before you advertise (or approach) someone else
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Its not always that way... 60% of the time its me contacting them for conformation of time and place then they drop the news , but its always at the last f*****g minute . Im spending my time learning songs for these clowns and rearanging things to fit around there rehearsal and they pull a stunt like this.
A few months ago i was up auditioning for a very well known Dublin / Meath band , rehearsal went great and it turned out we had a few things in common like knowing the same musicians in other bands etc etc . Next day i get a call saying come on board it would be great to have you ...great i thought they sent me up 2 cds worth of material to learn , so i got crackin at it and nailed a 80% of it in no time . 2 weeks later i get a text YES A F*****G TEXT
"sorry but our bass player has come back to us and we have listened to what he has to say and we feel we would like to have him back so thanks for everything "
It turns out this character had left to join another band which subsiquently fell apart and he came back with his tail between his legs knocking on the door and if they come back on here saying otherwise there lying . I dont live in Dublin i live in Cavan and i am prepared to travel for any band and to put the work all i ask is for the same in return .0 -
I agree that it's very frustrating when these situations arise. Apart from high lighting it, as you are now doing, and appealing to people's common sense and fairness, I doubt if there is much else that can be done except to just accept that these type of people will always be around. :mad:
On the point of learning songs for an audition, surely two or three would be enough to show what you can do ? That's all I have ever opted to learn for an audition. Well and good, if I get the audition, then they can hit me with the full monty.
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I got a phone call on a Friday night to sub for a very busy nationwide Coverband for gigs starting on a Tuesday. There were 5 gigs for the following week, and I'd to have the entire set learned off. I cancelled my work on Monday and Tuesday (Worth around 300 euro to me), spend a hell of a lot of time learning the set, drove to Killarney for the first gig, rocked the place and really made an effort to fit in with the band lifting in and out the gear, setting up lights, etc. End of the night, I hung around waiting to be paid only to be told I'd be paid at the end of the week for the gigs. I'd moved a lot of stuff around to be available for the remainder of the gigs, so I thought that was legit.
Got a text from the owner of the band, also the singer, also full of sh*t, at 5 in the morning to say that he had a full time bass player lined up who would be permenantly replaacing the guy I was subbing for, and that he didn't need me for the rest of the gigs he'd asked me to do. So I was down about 300 to begin with, petrol and food to Killarney and back, and 5 nights of work. Somewhere around a grand I think.
I'd really love to name and shame, but I can't, and won't
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if i go to the trouble of learning a load of material for your band at least have the courtesy of listening to me play it
As I mentioned earlier, why not opt for say three or four songs for audition purposes ? This should be enough to show your skills. Then if you get the audition, work on the rest of the songs. If the situation is as pathetic as it seems to be, judging from this thread, then as "Dell Boy" would say......"you know it makes sense."
Also, would you not think that it seems like a further waste of your time for them to listen to you playing, when they have already come to a decision which does not include you. Would you really want to go ahead with it knowing that you have not got the gig ?0 -
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I got a phone call on a Friday night to sub for a very busy nationwide Coverband for gigs starting on a Tuesday. There were 5 gigs for the following week, and I'd to have the entire set learned off. I cancelled my work on Monday and Tuesday (Worth around 300 euro to me), spend a hell of a lot of time learning the set, drove to Killarney for the first gig, rocked the place and really made an effort to fit in with the band lifting in and out the gear, setting up lights, etc. End of the night, I hung around waiting to be paid only to be told I'd be paid at the end of the week for the gigs. I'd moved a lot of stuff around to be available for the remainder of the gigs, so I thought that was legit.
Got a text from the owner of the band, also the singer, also full of sh*t, at 5 in the morning to say that he had a full time bass player lined up who would be permenantly replaacing the guy I was subbing for, and that he didn't need me for the rest of the gigs he'd asked me to do. So I was down about 300 to begin with, petrol and food to Killarney and back, and 5 nights of work. Somewhere around a grand I think.
I'd really love to name and shame, but I can't, and won't
What they did was to take advantage of you. The reason being, they have done it before and gotten aaway with it. I was a member of the Musicians' Union in the UK for many years. Every month, they have a news letter for members. In that news letter, any agencies, band leaders etc that have been bold in anyway will be named in a long 'black list'. Mores the pity that we don't do the same here. Name and shame and save another player in the future the trouble you went through. It's you duty.0 -
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I'd really love to name and shame, but I can't, and won't
If they still owe you money, invest €20 to take them to small claims court......
These guys, I know their types, They pay you 150 and they are taking 1800+VAT. I bet you on their books you are earning 3-400 a night.
A name & Shame would be cool. I know the bulk of the bands on the scene, and inasmuch as the the bulk of them are fine, there are one or two wingnuts out there.
If we were naming and shaming, it should be dodgy bars/venues expecting miracles with C**p fees
I actually know one band who kicked bits out of their new drummer while he was sleeping on the way home.... Why.... He was 17 and they were 24+, Reason..... so that he will never open his mouth to them. wouldn't mind it, but the 3 guys in question are nice as pie to his families faces, but are evil twisted individuals, But they will get their comeuppance.
True Story.
Getting back to OP, it happens in this business man, you just gotta take it on the chin, but names and faces are 2 things you can never change, always be nice, courteous, do your job, because eventually your paths will cross, and then you will have your opportunity to make them know that it is YOU that does not need THEM!!
hurts worse than a wet kipper wrapped around a brick, in the chops, believe me!!!0 -
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