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  • #32
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    The old trams would have been replaced with new ones. The tracks would still be there, and the overhead wires would have been maintained. We have new trains still running on the old rail tracks that were not ripped up.

    It is the infrastructure that costs the money.

    So the only advantage would be coverage. Very little segregation.


  • #33
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    But they went everywhere, and were plentiful. If we still had them all, and they were cheap, they would be used extensively as in Zurich or Geneva. Cars are only filling the road because they are allowed to, and trams could be segregated the way buses are - in special lanes.


  • #34
    Schadenfreudia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Cars are only filling the road because they are allowed to, and trams could be segregated the way buses are - in special lanes.

    In many cases cars, buses, taxis and delivery vehicles of all sorts are essential. And of course bikes.

    The entire tram system would have to have been removed and redesigned for separation.


  • #35
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    In many cases cars, buses, taxis and delivery vehicles of all sorts are essential. And of course bikes.

    The entire tram system would have to have been removed and redesigned for separation.

    Like they do in other countries?

    They leave the trams as they are because they were there first. Look at any city that still has the trams, they maintain the system because it works - cars are secondary.

    Knock down the casbah, we need a motorway through here for cars - widen the streets so we can park both sides. I don't think so.


  • #36
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    This new body and the NTA should remain separate. The NTA is concerned with policy and strategic planning and that must be paramount. They seem to be quite progressive with a focus on actually delivering better services for the customer, they should not be diluted down by other organisations. I fear that having head guys from the project delivery side (NRA and RPA) in there will see planning go out the window and there will be people pushing for any project, whether it is part of an overall strategy or not, just to be seen to be doing something and to justify jobs. Look at the RPA who are currently pushing all sorts of light rail options to the airport, all the studies which justified Metro North have been forgotten about and they are now happy with an under-spec'ed Luas extension because it fits in with the budget.

    Both the RPA and Irish Rail were at this recently... what's stopping TII and Irish Rail from doing the same?

    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Rolling a load of different companies and bodies into one super-quango will only create another HSE style monster that is more inefficient than the sum of its parts, is full of different in-house factions competing against each other rather than working together, has a ridiculously long management chain that even basic issues slip through the cracks and has a huge middle management and administrative staff half of whom nobodies knows what they actually do. Just imagine a board meeting trying to agree budget allocations for roads, public transport, ports, airports, gas network, electric grid and telecoms with the heads of each of those areas bitching about their allocation needs to be increased (because it is their turn or some other frivolous reason) while someone else has pissed away a chunk of their disproportionate allocation to hold up as proof that they spent last years budget and need the same again!

    It is better to have a series of bodies and authorities with a clearly defined remit and whos management are actually responsible for their performance rather than another HSE where responsibility gets passed up and down the chain of command until everyone has forgotten what the problem was is the first place.

    I agree with this response to Ren2k7's idea, but bundling land transport into one makes sense and having planning, design, construction oversight and operational oversight in one is the norm (from London to LA).
    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Like they do in other countries?

    They leave the trams as they are because they were there first. Look at any city that still has the trams, they maintain the system because it works - cars are secondary.

    Knock down the casbah, we need a motorway through here for cars - widen the streets so we can park both sides. I don't think so.

    In some places (I'm thinking parts of Berlin) trams are badly served by that approach because it has to go along with access for cars, bikes etc.

    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    In many cases cars, buses, taxis and delivery vehicles of all sorts are essential. And of course bikes.

    But in most cases cars are not essential.

    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    The entire tram system would have to have been removed and redesigned for separation.

    One form of separation is just getting rid of other traffic by diverting it, not allowing it down some streets etc.


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Like they do in other countries?

    They leave the trams as they are because they were there first. Look at any city that still has the trams, they maintain the system because it works - cars are secondary.

    Knock down the casbah, we need a motorway through here for cars - widen the streets so we can park both sides. I don't think so.
    I was in Brussels about 30 years ago and the city Transport authorities were in the process of segregating many of the tram routes from other traffic, a lot of lines were replaced by "cut-n-shut" tunnels and some others were pedestrianised to allow the trams to operate efficiently. I remember being on one that was due to be re-routed and it crawled in the congested traffic. The upgraded sections were as fast as any other metro system as it mostly had exclusive right of way.


  • #38
    Schadenfreudia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Like they do in other countries?

    They leave the trams as they are because they were there first. Look at any city that still has the trams, they maintain the system because it works - cars are secondary.

    Knock down the casbah, we need a motorway through here for cars - widen the streets so we can park both sides. I don't think so.

    In those cities where the trams haven't been segregated or converted into Luas type lines that are no better than buses - often worse and much less flexible around roadworks etc.

    Thank God they removed than in Dublin or we'd have people saying we don't need metro or luas lines!


  • #39
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    In those cities where the trams haven't been segregated or converted into Luas type lines that are no better than buses - often worse and much less flexible around roadworks etc.

    Thank God they removed than in Dublin or we'd have people saying we don't need metro or luas lines!

    They would be Luas lines, just a lot more of them. It is possible to upgrade infrastructure - look at the Dart - that used to be terrible.

    We need Metro lines, Dart Underground, and other infrastructure - the missing trams have not advanced any of those projects one jot.


  • #40
    Schadenfreudia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    They would be Luas lines, just a lot more of them. It is possible to upgrade infrastructure - look at the Dart - that used to be terrible.

    Agree.
    We need Metro lines, Dart Underground, and other infrastructure - the missing trams have not advanced any of those projects one jot.

    Not so sure - I'd worry, for example that the proposed Airport luas will greatly weaken the chances of a proper metro connection.


  • #41
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    Agree.



    Not so sure - I'd worry, for example that the proposed Airport luas will greatly weaken the chances of a proper metro connection.

    The airport Luas will be instead of Metro North or instead of the Dart spur?

    Why can we not have nice things?


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  • #42
    Schadenfreudia
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Why can we not have nice things?

    What "nice thing" have you in mind? :confused:


  • #43
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    What "nice thing" have you in mind? :confused:

    Things that work, things that are top class, things that are well designed, things of beauty.

    I know that all that is in the eye of the beholder but do we have to have poor design and poor execution built into every public enterprise?


  • #44
    annfield1978
    Registered Users Posts: 564 ✭✭✭annfield1978


    Transport Infrastructure Ireland
    23rd July, 2015


    To Whom It May Concern,

    I am writing to inform you that the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport Paschal Donohoe, TD has signed the order for the merger of the National Roads Authority (the Authority) with the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) to establish a single new entity called Transport Infrastructure Ireland (TII).

    TII brings together two organisations to provide high quality transport infrastructure and services, delivering a better quality of life and supporting economic growth.

    The Roads Act 2015 sets out the legal structure for the transfer of the RPA's functions, staff and contractual agreements with all rights and liabilities statutorily to the Authority. The Authority will use the name Transport Infrastructure Ireland (TII) for operational purposes from the establishment date of the 1st of August 2015. All existing contractual relationships with the National Roads Authority (the Authority) remain unaffected.


    TII will provide opportunities to:
    • Ensure an integrated approach to the future development of the national roads network and the development of light rail;
    • Combine the expertise and proven record of the organisations which have delivered the Luas and the National Motorway Network thereby offering the potential for innovation and optimised delivery in the context of national roads, light rail and other infrastructure initiatives and programmes; and
    • Ensure value for money by virtue of improved scale and the combining of complementary NRA and RPA commercial, financial and technical competencies.

    TII will be headquartered in Parkgate Business Centre, Parkgate Street, Dublin 8, D08 YFF1, and hardcopy correspondence should be sent to that address. All invoices from the 1st of August 2015 should now be addressed to TII. Any queries in relation to invoicing and payment procedures should be emailed to accountspayable@tii.ie.


    Additionally, all current email addresses for both the NRA and RPA will automatically be directed to the new TII email addresses @tii.ie. While existing email addresses will remain operational for several months, do update your email contact information accordingly after the 1st of August 2015. All TII email addresses will be: firstname.lastname@tii.ie.

    Transport Infrastructure Ireland looks forward to working closely and cooperatively with our many stakeholders, as both the NRA and the RPA have done in the past. Should you have any queries relating to the merger and how it might impact upon you or your organisation simply email your query to info@tii.ie or for any additional information please visit our website at www.tii.ie.

    Sincerely,


    Michael Nolan

    Chief Executive
    ________________________________________________________________________


  • #45
    Ren2k7
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Ren2k7


    Good. Now merge this with CIE.


  • #46
    strassenwo!f
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭strassenwo!f


    Ren2k7 wrote: »
    Good. Now merge this with CIE.

    It certainly is strange, given the organisation's title, that it doesn't specifically state any remit to deal with heavy rail projects, given that there are a number of these on the table at the moment (e.g. the DART Underground project, the possible DART spur to Dublin Airport, the completion of the Kildare Route Project, etc). One would think that these are projects which should definitely come under this organisation's wing as soon as possible, if it is to do its job most effectively.


  • #47
    Ren2k7
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Ren2k7


    strassenwo!f wrote: »
    It certainly is strange, given the organisation's title, that it doesn't specifically state any remit to deal with heavy rail projects, given that there are a number of these on the table at the moment (e.g. the DART Underground project, the possible DART spur to Dublin Airport, the completion of the Kildare Route Project, etc). One would think that these are projects which should definitely come under this organisation's wing as soon as possible, if it is to do its job most effectively.

    Merging the two might also put an end to the constant battles being fought over Metro v DART. How about one single metro system for the capital operated by one agency? Oh but I forgot, such common sense joined up thinking is to be discouraged in Ireland.


  • #48
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Lots of misinformation on the TII website about tolling.
    tii wrote:
    TII is obliged to produce and publish Bye-Laws for each Toll Scheme in Ireland.

    A list of the applicable Bye-Laws for all existing Toll Schemes are set out below.
    but nothing about the Eastlink.
    tii wrote:
    Toll roads in Ireland are generally located on major interurban corridors and impose a toll (levy or charge) on each vehicle using them
    except there is no toll levied on certain types of vehicle at many tolls.


  • #49
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Eastlink is under DCC now.


  • #50
    Ren2k7
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Ren2k7


    Bonneagar Iompair Éireann and Córas Iompair Éireann. Come on lads, it makes sense to merge the two. Or not in the case of the RPA and NRa as it was the RPA that was abolished and its functions given to the NRA, which remains the legal name and "Transport Infrastructure Ireland" being merely its operational name.


  • #51
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Eastlink is under DCC now.

    But it's tolled for certain vehicles, and has a tolling scheme


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  • #52
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Ren2k7 wrote: »
    Merging the two might also put an end to the constant battles being fought over Metro v DART. How about one single metro system for the capital operated by one agency? Oh but I forgot, such common sense joined up thinking is to be discouraged in Ireland.

    The joined up thinking stopped when they started the Luas - two separate lines and a new gauge (4' 8.5" instead of 1.6m). Continue this thinking with a Metro to the airport and a separate Dart to the airport and continue one to Swords - but which one?

    We will never know because the answer is neither will be built in our lifetime.


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