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Over 5,000 have child benefit suspended

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    #62
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,646 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    fortwilliam wrote: »
    Do you need it?
    i mean really need this payment to keep your child fed and warm?

    just wondering why you feel I should pay for your children..?
    There's a good chance that his child will be paying for you when you're sitting in your pissed-soaked chair in about 60 years time.


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    #63
    battries not included
    Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭battries not included


    fortwilliam wrote: »
    Do you need it?
    i mean really need this payment to keep your child fed and warm?

    just wondering why you feel I should pay for your children..?


    There's a good chance that his child will be paying for you when you're sitting in your pissed-soaked chair in about 60 years time.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q36uaSlf0ck


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    #64
    fortwilliam
    Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭fortwilliam


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    There's a good chance that his child will be paying for you when you're sitting in your pissed-soaked chair in about 60 years time.

    I'll be well dead before the child is of tax paying age...

    There is also a good chance that I & you will continue to pay for this or any other child through the welfare system...

    By the way, this is in now way a direct shot at this particular child, just at the sense of entitlement in Ireland.. Has anybody actually said
    "Well I'm doing ok at the moment, I could live without this welfare payment, no thanks, I don't need it"

    Hmmm... Just because it is there, it does not mean you should have it.


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    #65
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    stupidusername wrote: »
    and so they probably have two copies of all letters sent out, on record. but that in itself isn't adequate to prove it was sent and that it was received.

    Only that it was sent. I guess it's the responsibility of the person who it's addressed to to reply.

    They only suspended payments so the non-reply was good enough grounds I guess.

    I'm now officially out of my depth. :o


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    #66
    Sleepy
    Registered Users Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    up, the timing on this was fantastic... my other half got cut off despite not having moved house and no letter arriving...

    Of course the relevant public servants were extremely helpful and didn't hang up on her when she called to enquire as to why her children's allowance hadn't come through this month [/sarcasm]

    Being careful as to where welfare payments going to is a good thing. Being indiscriminate in stopping those payments can leave people that pay a lot of tax in a precarious financial position is not a good thing.


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    #67
    smallBiscuit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭smallBiscuit


    ResearchWill wrote: »

    Don't think they are that standard letter, unless 9 year olds leave school, friend of mine got 2 in the last year in relation to their 9 year old.

    I also have a friend who is married to a russian woman, they get the letters or are cut off every few months


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    #68
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    The Department says this is part of their ongoing control work to ensure resources go to those who need them most.

    A pity such diligence wasn't occurring pre-recession, because it might have saved us a lot of money.


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    #69
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,974 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Nodin wrote: »
    And the Roma get the other two thirds. Terrible.

    You forgot the Klingons, they're always on the inter-galactic fiddle.


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    #70
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,974 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    fortwilliam wrote: »
    I'll be well dead before the child is of tax paying age...

    There is also a good chance that I & you will continue to pay for this or any other child through the welfare system...

    By the way, this is in now way a direct shot at this particular child, just at the sense of entitlement in Ireland.. Has anybody actually said
    "Well I'm doing ok at the moment, I could live without this welfare payment, no thanks, I don't need it"

    Hmmm... Just because it is there, it does not mean you should have it.

    People probably consider that they've paid for it in their taxes, so why shouldn't they claim it? Just because you claim your entitlement doesn't mean that you have a sense of entitlement.

    I believe that it was first introduced as a specific payment to the mother, so that they had at least something that they could call their own, especially in situations where a husband might not give them enough money to live on for one reason or another.

    There certainly are people who don't need it, but it doesn't mean that they're not still paying for it.


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    #71
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Sleepy wrote: »
    up, the timing on this was fantastic... my other half got cut off despite not having moved house and no letter arriving...

    Ah here.

    Social welfare offices will be full of people over the next couple of weeks insisting "I didn't get any letter" despite the fact that An Post actually have very strong delivery results (85% next day; vast majority thereafter). You do realize that even if you say your case is genuine, the social welfare inspectors hear this hundreds if not thousands of times a year. What do you want them to do, never cut off a welfare transfer and assume that if a claimant is not responding, there's a genuine reason? That defeats the whole purpose of the operation.


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    #72
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    There's a good chance that his child will be paying for you when you're sitting in your pissed-soaked chair in about 60 years time.

    I'm not sure I like that line of reasoning....

    "I'm going to do something to you now, because, in 60 years, something *MIGHT* happen".

    It's entirely possible his child will be a net loss in terms of tax dollars. There exist people who go their entire life without contributing more in taxes than they consume. It's also entirely possible that the man objecting to paying more taxes/supporting things like child credits will never see a penny of benefit for it.


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    #73
    ameeee
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭ameeee


    Here's a crazy idea... why not try only having children if you can afford to? Why should taxpayers pay for randomers to have as many kids as they feel like? Way beyond time for this.


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    #74
    hawkelady
    Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    ameeee wrote: »
    Here's a crazy idea... why not try only having children if you can afford to? Why should taxpayers pay for randomers to have as many kids as they feel like? Way beyond time for this.

    Here's a not so crazy idea.....Its possible that people had kids when they "could afford them"..then through no fault of their own, they find it hard to afford them now!! so unless you can forsee the future and you know what your situation is going to be exactly in 5-10 years time stop talking rubbish!!
    If everyone thought along your lines,the end of the human race wouldnt be too far away.


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    #75
    Tayla
    Registered Users Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Tayla


    Carter P Fly wrote: »
    typically irish of the Dept to wait over a month for people to respond ensuring those 5k+ fraudsters get an additional payment.

    When you get the letters they tend to be backdated to a month before that, they don't really give you 42 days to respond.

    I know some foreigners who get them a lot, they usually only get a week or so to respond and always send their response by registered post because because the department has a habit of saying they didn't receive them.


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    #76
    GASMANN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭GASMANN


    ThePower11 wrote: »
    No, sure isn't half of Nigeria getting Irish Child Benefit.
    Show Time wrote: »
    And Poland.
    battries not included wrote: »
    and UK,

    members of a certain 'indigenous people' claiming across the border...
    Nodin wrote: »
    And the Roma get the other two thirds. Terrible.
    Doom wrote: »
    I'd say alot of Irish people are in this too, how many have left for Oz etc and still getting it.

    2 halfs + 2 thirds + whatevers headin down under...

    is there a maths forum


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    #77
    EGAR
    Registered Users Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    ameeee wrote: »
    Here's a crazy idea... why not try only having children if you can afford to? Why should taxpayers pay for randomers to have as many kids as they feel like? Way beyond time for this.

    Every child in Ireland is entitled to Child Benefit currently, regardless of the income of the parents. Rich or poor - all get the same amount.


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    #78
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    You forgot the Klingons, they're always on the inter-galactic fiddle.

    ...breed like tribbles, so they do. I'd send them back on the cruiser they came in on.


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    #79
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    GASMANN wrote: »
    2 halfs + 2 thirds + whatevers headin down under...

    is there a maths forum

    ..twas an (admittedly weak) attempt at humour.


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    #80
    GASMANN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭GASMANN


    Nodin wrote: »
    ..twas an (admittedly weak) attempt at humour.

    you or me?


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    #81
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    GASMANN wrote: »
    you or me?

    Me.


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    #82
    GASMANN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭GASMANN


    Nodin wrote: »
    Me.

    phew!


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