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Abolish libel laws

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  • 19-01-2011 8:08pm
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    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭


    Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

    Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
    Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.


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    #2
    BOHtox
    Registered Users Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭BOHtox


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd4efSrSZfY


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    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Whiteonion raped my sister.

    White onion stole money from his workplace and uses it to buy drugs to slip into womens drinks

    White onion killed Gerry Ryan.

    White onion is in the IRA


    These are all true because they were on the front page of the Indo

    ... i think you see where im going with this


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    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    Are you for real? What if someone started a rumour about one of your parents touching kids or something like that? Do you not think they should be punished? Or is it ok for someones rep to be destroyed just cause YOU think it is?


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    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    snyper wrote: »
    Whiteonion raped my sister.

    White onion stole money from his workplace and uses it to buy drugs to slip into womens drinks

    White onion killed Gerry Ryan.

    White onion is in the IRA


    ... i think you see where im going with this
    Yeah, you should be allowed to say these things.


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    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    whiteonion wrote: »
    Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

    Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
    Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.

    libel laws are there to protect people from unfounded crap being written about them unfairly...

    ...it's not a matter of freedom of speech.


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    Degag
    Registered Users Posts: 9,952 ✭✭✭Degag


    whiteonion wrote: »
    Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

    Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
    Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.
    Disagree. What if someone wrongly called you a pedophile? I'm sure you'd like some recourse instead of seeing your face on the front page of every paper and not being able to do anything about it.


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    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Its defamation these days, read the 2009 act, fun stuff.


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    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    whiteonion wrote: »
    Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

    Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
    Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.

    Okay, bad start to your thread. We don't have libel laws anymore. There is no Libel Act. It was replaced in 2009 by the Defamation Act. The tort of Libel and Slander were thrown in the bin and a new Defamation Tort now exists.


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    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    libel laws are there to protect people from unfounded crap being written about them unfairly...

    ...it's not a matter of freedom of speech.
    I should be allowed to say whatever I like about people. I believe in freedom of speech, obviously others don't...


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    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    whiteonion wrote: »
    Yeah, you should be allowed to say these things.

    Cool.

    But you dont believe that.


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    tommyhaas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭tommyhaas


    whiteonion wrote: »
    Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

    Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
    Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.

    Have yo thought your argument through at all?


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    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    tommyhaas wrote: »
    Have yo thought your argument through at all?
    Just the principle behind the freedom of speech and not letting politicians and rich assholes hide behind these kind of laws.


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    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    snyper wrote: »
    Cool.

    But you dont believe that.
    Yes I do.


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    drunkmonkey
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    whiteonion wrote: »
    if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.


    If you liked that you'll love this,
    Even if you prove a politician is corrupt they can't be punished as proved last week.

    It's a wonderful little Island all were missing is some Bunga Bunga party's.


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    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    whiteonion wrote: »
    Yes I do.

    You're full of crap!


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    Degag
    Registered Users Posts: 9,952 ✭✭✭Degag


    whiteonion wrote: »
    I should be allowed to say whatever I like about people. I believe in freedom of speech, obviously others don't...
    By that remark, i presume you also believe in other people being able to say whatever they want about you, regardless of how true it is?


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    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    whiteonion wrote: »
    I should be allowed to say whatever I like about people. I believe in freedom of speech, obviously others don't...

    there has to be limitations to freedom. you cant go around saying whatever you want abiut people as that affects there freedom as an individual...

    you know that human rights thing... that ties in with your freedom of speech...


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    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    If you liked that you'll love this,
    Even if you prove a politician is corrupt they can't be punished as proved last week.

    It's a wonderful little Island all were missing is some Bunga Bunga party's.
    Bunga Bunga with Brian Cowen and Mary Harney :eek:


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    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    whiteonion wrote: »
    Just the principle behind the freedom of speech and not letting politicians and rich assholes hide behind these kind of laws.

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Recognise this?


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    dRNk SAnTA
    Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭dRNk SAnTA


    You can say what you want as long as you can prove it.

    I agree that in Ireland our defamation laws seem to be too strict, but if we had none then how would anyone know what to believe. There would be so much disinformation.


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    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    dRNk SAnTA wrote: »
    You can say what you want as long as you can prove it.

    I agree that in Ireland our defamation laws seem to be too strict, but if we had none then how would anyone know what to believe. There would be so much disinformation.
    There is so much disinformation out there on the Internet. In fact we should ban the Internet!


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    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Recognise this?
    Sounds like some crappy UN Resolution about "human rights".


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    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    whiteonion wrote: »
    There is so much disinformation out there on the Internet. In fact we should ban the Internet!

    Or ban your trollish account?


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    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    Kiera wrote: »
    Or ban your trollish account?
    Now carefull, we have Defamation laws in this country... :D


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    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    whiteonion wrote: »
    Now carefull, we have Defamation laws in this country... :D

    Ah but its not defamation if its the truth ;)


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    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    whiteonion wrote: »
    Yes I do.

    Jebus wept


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    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    Kiera wrote: »
    Ah but its not defamation if its the truth ;)
    No it isn't. I would never engage in trolling. All these opinions I state on this site are my legitimate opinions about things.


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    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    How are we compared to the UK where people can be bankrupted by claims of libel even with nothing to back it up?


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    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    whiteonion wrote: »
    No it isn't. I would never engage in trolling. All these opinions I state on this site are my legitimate opinions about things.

    Have you had a knock on the head recently?


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    BizzyC
    Registered Users Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭BizzyC


    whiteonion wrote: »
    I should be allowed to say whatever I like about people. I believe in freedom of speech, obviously others don't...

    Freedom of speech is there to entitle people to have their opinion and to be able to state and ask questions about any facts they want to.

    It does not entitle you to make crap up.

    Freedom of speech does not protect you from telling lies.


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