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New DIT Campus - Grangegorman

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  • #92
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    DIT still insisting that it will go ahead

    [SIZE=-1]Irish Times - [/SIZE]Flagship DIT site to proceed if planning granted
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    [/SIZE]Irish Independent Private Backers for DIT Campus
    [SIZE=-1][/SIZE]


  • #93
    robd
    Registered Users Posts: 951 ✭✭✭robd


    nowecant wrote: »
    DIT still insisting that it will go ahead

    [SIZE=-1]Irish Times - [/SIZE]Flagship DIT site to proceed if planning granted
    [SIZE=-1]
    [/SIZE]Irish Independent Private Backers for DIT Campus
    [SIZE=-1][/SIZE]

    I don't see why not. DCU managed to build their campus in relatively tough times without a specific overall grant to do so. Was built building by building in an Easterly direction. Wasn't the most pleasant place to be when construction was in full swing but they did it. That's not to say they didn't get grants for individual projects/buildings.


  • #94
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Seen this and thought i would update the thread
    HSE hand over Grangegorman to DIT
    Posted on March 20, 2012 at 7:19 pm.

    Written by contributor

    Words by Louisa McGrath

    The Health Service Executive (HSE) signed the Grangegorman site over to DIT earlier this month.

    The site was home to Ireland’s oldest public psychiatric hospital and looked after patients for over 200 years.

    It housed 2,000 patients from all around Ireland at its peak. This number fell to under 100 in recent times due to a new system of local care. Plans for Grangegorman to become the new, single site of DIT were then developed in 1999.

    http://www.edition.ie/news/hse-hand-over-grangegorman-to-dit-340


  • #95
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    The good news has just been anounced:)
    €500m centralised DIT campus at Grangegorman gets go-ahead

    The €500m development of a centralised DIT campus in Grangegorman has been approved by An Bord Pleanála.

    But the board ruled that three proposed buildings of between 12 and 15 storeys high will have to get separate planning permissions because of their potential impact on the city skyline.

    The Grangegorman Development Agency says it plans to proceed with the development through its own private funding despite the government withdrawing its financial backing.

    Its plans to have 10,000 students - about half of all DIT's total - on the site by 2017.

    The plan to move the 39 different DIT colleges situated around Dublin into one campus has been in the pipeline for nearly ten years.

    The plan involves development on part of 75 acres of grounds at St Brendan's psychiatric hospital.

    It will involve the third-level facility, healthcare facilities and a primary school and include three buildings between 12 and 15 stories high.
    Local residents objected to the height and density of the development and say that the plans are too vague.

    In its approval the board made a number of conditions designed to improve access, ensure the renovation of protected buildings on the site and lessen the impact on local residents.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0514/500m-dit-campus-at-grangegorman-gets-go-ahead.html


  • #96
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Same story in the Independent

    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/education/latest-news/500m-grangegorman-dit-campus-gets-green-light-from-an-bord-pleanala-3108471.html


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  • #97
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Here's the ABP reports http://www.pleanala.ie/news/ZD2005/ZD2005.htm


  • #98
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    monument wrote: »
    Here's the ABP reports http://www.pleanala.ie/news/ZD2005/ZD2005.htm

    The 2 maps at the end of the "Board Order" document clearly show where changes have to be made to the plans. I will need to take a proper look at these later but at the moment I think its great news.

    I did find a document recently detailing an amended timeline for the movement of students and lectures to the new campus. Obviously there will be a long lead in and the first few years there could be a bit lonely but in the future it should have a great atmosphere. When I find it again ill repost.


  • #99
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    One of the main changes is access to the west / to Prussia Street is a requirement, not just the vague notion that it was before.

    Here's the maps:

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  • #100
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    A more comprehensive article in the Irish Times
    Monday, May 14, 2012

    DIT site at Grangegorman approved


    An Bord Pleanála has approved the development of a €486 million centralised Dublin Insitute of Technology (DIT) campus at Grangegorman in Dublin.

    The blueprint for a new “urban quarter” and campus was approved by Dublin City Council last July but it was subseqently appealed to the planning board by local residents, who raised concerns about the height of some of the buildings among other issues.

    Today the board ruled that three proposed buildings of between 12 and 15 storeys high will require separate planning permissions because of their potential impact on the city skyline.

    The original plan would have allowed the construction of buildings of up to 50m in height on the 70-acre former psychiatric hospital site between the north city neighbourhoods of Phibsboro, Stoneybatter and Cabra.

    In its decision today, the board said it had concluded that the draft planning scheme, with modification, "would not be likely to have significant effects on the environment".

    It said that subject to modifications it set out, the planning scheme complied with the statutory requirements set out under the site's designation as a Strategic Development Zone, and provided for the "comprehensive planning and development" of the site.

    "The draft planning scheme would, therefore, be in accordance with the proper planning and sustainable development of the area," it said.

    Grangegorman Development Agency chief executive Michael Hand told a planning hearing last year there had been much said in the media about the decision of the Government to postpone funding for the project.

    But he said Exchequer funding for the redevelopment would amount to 20 per cent of the development, and he quoted Minister for Education Ruairi Quinn to the effect that the Government "is committed to the long term funding of this project”. He said there were “multiple” avenues of funding which could be tapped to relocate constituent colleges of DIT; establish a range of HSE healthcare facilities on site, and create a new urban quarter.


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0514/breaking38.html


    Business and Finance
    DIT development plan gets green light
    14 May 2012 16:19
    An Bord Pleanála has given the go ahead for the construction of DIT's planned new campus in Grangegorman in Dublin City.

    The 73 acre development, which will incorporate a major education and health campus, as well as sport, recreation and other public amenities, is the first to be approved as a Strategic Development Zone (SDZ) in Dublin City. The SDZ designation is available only to major projects which are deemed to have national social and economic importance.

    Mr. Michael Hand, CEO of the Grangegorman Development Agency , said the decision reflects the significance of the Grangegorman site and the surrounding area.

    “This project will have a transformative effect on the city of Dublin, as well as contributing an employment stimulus to the construction industry in particular. It was important that the overall development was agreed from the outset to ensure that it is in keeping with the Development Plan for the city and so that everyone knew exactly what would be built on site.”

    Hand also said that following the decision work on the the first phase of development could begin immediately.

    The Grangegorman Development Agency has pledged to push forward with the planned campus despite the Government withdrawing financial support for project as part of cuts to capital expenditure announced last year.

    http://www.businessandfinance.ie/cat_news_detail.jsp?itemID=4385

    I think the statement by Mr. Michael Hand, that work would begin immediately on the first phases of the development is great news. Hopefully we will see enabling works on site within a few weeks with construction work starting during the summer.


  • #101
    zom
    Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    Anyone knows architect involved?


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  • #102
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Moore Ruble Yudell are the main architects. I think they have a local firm here doing some work on it but i forget who it is

    http://www.moorerubleyudell.com/


  • #103
    shaddupayaface
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭shaddupayaface


    nowecant wrote: »
    Moore Ruble Yudell are the main architects. I think they have a local firm here doing some work on it but i forget who it is

    http://www.moorerubleyudell.com/

    Dmod


  • #104
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Apparently the Environmental Health Science Institute will be the first part of DIT to be moved to Grangegorman.
    The Environmental Health Science Institute (EHSI) is a dedicated research institute within this theme and was established by DIT in partnership with the HSE and Dublin City Council.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0611/1224317672139.html

    The 2010 Annual report also says that a lot of work has been done on the DIT Business School and Library and these may be prime candidates for an early move.

    However as to which building is going to be built first I cannot tell. The names of the buildings on the planes are quite general and the EHSI could fit into any number of them

    http://www.grangegormandevelopmentagency.ie/assets/masterplan/MP_24_May_2008_Slide_36-41_Building_Layouts_and_Heights_A.pdf

    The Science buildings which I believe is the most likely is right in the center of the development, this could initially mean a very lonely existence for a few staff and students.

    But the views of the rest of the development taking place would be great.


  • #105
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    For a while now i have been thinking that the Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann Broadstone Garage will be stage 2 of the DIT development. I believe this is approximately 30 - 35 acres in size and would add significantly to the college in future. Though that may be 20 years or more.

    Many of the images in the plans on the GGDA website show concept buildings on this site, including the below 2 concepts for the Broadstone Gate.

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    While I understand this may be a long time coming the usefulness of this garage will be extremely limited once a larger proportion of students locate to this area and use this as a main entrance.

    The Luas BXD line is also going straight through the middle of the Garage as well.


  • #106
    BowWow
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    zom wrote: »
    Anyone knows architect involved?

    James Mary O'Connor


  • #107
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    BowWow wrote: »
    James Mary O'Connor

    Planning permission for the O'Connor's new house in Sutton.
    Fingal Referance - F11A/0319


  • #108
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    BowWow wrote: »
    Planning permission for the O'Connor's new house in Sutton.
    Fingal Referance - F11A/0319

    Mr O'Connor now served with an order by Fingal Co Co to cease work on this house..........


  • #109
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    BowWow wrote: »
    Mr O'Connor now served with an order by Fingal Co Co to cease work on this house..........

    Im not sure if that is relevant here, it could be for a number of reasons unless you care to elaborate and only if you can demonstrate that is has something to do with DIT or Grangegorman


  • #110
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    So DIT might not have to fund this on their own and move at a slower pace.

    Irish Times
    The departments of Minister for Education Ruairí Quinn and Minister for Health James Reilly will also benefit. The postponed Dublin Institute of Technology (DIT) campus at Grangegorman is certain to get the go-ahead.

    DIT operates on a number of different sites around the capital and the intention is to establish a centralised campus on the north side.

    After a proposal to sanction proceeding with the development had gone to Cabinet, Mr Howlin visited the site where progress had effectively stalled last Friday, with local TDs Labour’s Joe Costello, Minister of State for Trade and Development, and Fine Gael’s Paschal Donohoe.

    The Luas extension that will benefit the facility was one of the few projects to survive last year’s drastic clampdown on capital spending.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0717/breaking2.html

    The Score
    The go-ahead for the DIT campus comes just eight months after it was deferred as part of the announcement of the Infrastructure and Capital Investment programme from 2012 to 2016.

    Speaking to RTÉ Radio ahead of the cabinet meeting this morning, Education Minister Ruairí Quinn said that it “makes more sense” to build the DIT campus in one place rather than upgrade the 33 different DIT sites around the capital.

    http://www.thescore.ie/stimulus-dit-grangegorman-roads-infrastructure-523368-Jul2012/


  • #111
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    nowecant wrote: »
    Im not sure if that is relevant here, it could be for a number of reasons unless you care to elaborate and only if you can demonstrate that is has something to do with DIT or Grangegorman

    There is a major difference between his plan, on which planning permission was granted, and what he has actually built! His new neighbours are in serious dispute with him - petitions signed etc. Fingal Co Co are in agreement with them.

    Hopefully the plans for DIT will be accurate........


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  • #112
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    RTE reports that the Luas BXD which goes through the new Grangegorman DIT campus has officially got the go ahead.

    A map can be seen here and Boards thread on Luas BXD here

    A stop called "Broadstone DIT" located at the front of the Bus garage off Constitution hill was always going to be built, a good location for the college and the local community.

    Another stop called DIT Grangegorman, to the North East of the development was always an option. I assume that this is now going ahead when they say ""A stop is also planned for the new DIT campus at Grangegorman""

    I don’t know yet if they are building both


    The Government has already announced it is committed to funding the estimated €370m cost of the project.

    Initial works are due to begin next year and passenger services are planned to start in 2017. The 6km BXDl line will extend the Green Line from St Stephen's Green through the city centre where it will link up with the Red Line at the junction of O'Connell St and Abbey St.

    It will then go to Broombridge near Cabra where it will link up with the Maynooth commuter rail line. A stop is also planned for the new DIT campus at Grangegorman a project which got approval for €180m worth of funding in the government's stimulus package.

    A number of city centre statues including Molly Malone at the bottom of Grafton St will have to be removed and kept in storage while works take place.

    The board decided that the Luas BXD line would not interfere with future development of the Metro North and Underground DART projects.

    It also decided to allow the line to run with overhead cables through the core city centre area despite concerns expressed by Dublin City Council that these would be "visually intrusive".

    It also decided that Dawson St north bound stop be omitted as it could cause traffic congestion.

    The planning permission for LUAS BXD will last for seven years.


  • #113
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Evening Herald Article on the new campus here. Nothing new really though.
    Vision for e500m DIT campus is under way

    DUBLIN'S new €500m "urban quarter" in Grangegorman and its third level campus is taking shape after a series of "green lights".

    The project was boosted by the announcement of the Government's €2bn stimulus package, which saw the project getting an immediate start.

    The new Luas Broombridge line, which will serve the new campus, was also given the go ahead from An Bord Pleanala this month.

    Michael Hand, chief executive of the Grangegorman Development Agency (GDA) said: "We intend to bring 20,000 students to the Dublin 7 area.

    "But we also want others to come and experience the new urban quarter in Grangegorman."

    Work will now start on preserving and restoring a number of listed buildings on the site and the building of a new health science research facility for 1,000 students.

    Another 10,000 students will arrive by 2017, with the completion of the central and east quads, which are public private partnerships.

    "Physical" work on the Grangegorman project is already well under way with the building of the new Mental Health Replacement facility for the Health Service Executive, the GDA said.

    The new building is due to be completed later this year.

    Pipeline

    The plan to move 39 Dublin Institute of Technology facilities situated around Dublin into one campus has been in the pipeline for nearly 10 years.

    The project involves development on part of the 75 acres of grounds of St Brendan's psychiatric hospital.

    Dublin Labour MEP Emer Costello said a unified DIT campus was "terrific news" for Irish education and jobs.

    DIT had over 20,000 students and 2,000 staff in six faculties scattered in different sites around the city, making it "a logistical nightmare" for students and staff.

    "A single campus is long overdue and will help to make DIT one of the finest third level educational institutions in the world," she said.

    mlavery@herald.ie

    - Michael Lavery


  • #114
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    As announced on the Grangegorman Development authority Facebook page
    The first planning application under the Grangegorman Planning Scheme has just been lodged with Dublin City Council, and it is a big one. Site Infrastructure and Public Realm. 5 week period for observations now begins. Well done to all involved.

    The planning application are....

    Application Reference: 3335/12
    Description: Protected Structure: construction of 15.90Ha of public realm/site infrastructure
    Location:St. Brendan's Hospital Site, Grangegorman, Dublin 7
    Or click here
    This is for ground works on the site


    Application Reference: 3336/12
    Description: Protected Structure : demolition of 16 no Structures, within large site....
    Location: St. Brendan's Hospital Site, Grangegorman, Dublin 7
    Or click Here
    This is for the demolition of 16 structures on the site to make way for the new buildings


  • #115
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Hopefully Mr O'Connors plans for DIT will be more accurate than those he did for his house.


  • #116
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    BowWow wrote: »
    Hopefully Mr O'Connors plans for DIT will be more accurate than those he did for his house.

    BowWow what is your argument here?

    This is your second time asserting this, there was really no need, we got your point the first time.

    You give no reason as to why he has been asked to stop working on his house, this could be for a number of reasons including a genuine mistake, a mistake by the builders, a complaint by a neighbor.... founded or unfounded.

    Or... he maybe breached planning laws.

    What ever your personal grudge here it has nothing to do with your statement. The plans were accurate and were agreed to by the council, his building (if your statement is correct) was not to the specifications or the plans. Plans once agreed to, right or wrong are by their nature accurate.

    As regards the new DIT Campus, the plans have been years in development, have been made publically available in numerous locations around the city. They have the input of multiple local residence organizations and have representatives from those local committees advising the development organization. These plans as agreed to by everyone involved are also accurate.

    What is occurring now is the publishing of the smaller individual aspects of the development. Putting forward as it were how the development is going to proceed.

    All of this does not include the fact that both Dublin City Council and An Bord Pleanála have approved the making of these Planning Schemes for the Grangegorman Strategic Development Zone (SDZ) The public, including yourself, now have the opportunity to comment on these plans.

    However getting back to your above statement, this is dangerously close to trolling, it has no place here.


  • #117
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Background -
    He bought the original house/site.
    He sent in plans. They were approved - no issues with the neighbours.
    House built. Neighbours surprised that finished house is 5 feet higher that the houses on either side of him, when the "perspective" with the plans showed his new house would be the same height.
    Neighbours approach him to discuss - told that they should be pleased he's created this president! It was a simple draftman's error. Other remarks about how things are done in America;)
    Meetings with Fingal Co Council - eventually allowed retain the building.

    My point -
    If he cant be trusted to get the plans right for a two storey dwelling, can he get the plans right for a multi million Euro project?

    Agenda -
    Mine? Yes, I have one - Unfortunately I'm a neighbour!
    Yours nowecant?


  • #118
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Background -
    He bought the original house/site.
    He sent in plans. They were approved - no issues with the neighbours.
    House built. Neighbours surprised that finished house is 5 feet higher that the houses on either side of him, when the "perspective" with the plans showed his new house would be the same height.
    Neighbours approach him to discuss - told that they should be pleased he's created this president! It was a simple draftman's error. Other remarks about how things are done in America
    Meetings with Fingal Co Council - eventually allowed retain the building.

    That shouldn't have happened and if what you say here is correct (and I assume it is) then he was wrong. As an experienced architect and someone who presumably knows the ins and outs of planning I find it unlikely that this was a mistake. He should have been made to correct it.
    My point -
    If he cant be trusted to get the plans right for a two story dwelling, can he get the plans right for a multi million Euro project?

    While I agree what happened above is wrong. The planning oversight in this is a lot more stringent that in a private dwelling, multiple architects and architects firms and a lot of public scrutiny (including here) not to mention clients who have been fighting for this development for decades and various government bodies including the GGDA who can be held responsible.

    Yes there may be mistakes/changes to the plan as envisioned right now as the development takes place, and hopefully these will all be done through the correct planning routes. The difference is that where his "mistake" on his private house was to directly benefit him, any mistake made here does not benefit him or his firm at all.
    Agenda -
    Mine? Yes, I have one - Unfortunately I'm a neighbour!

    Sorry to hear that you were affected. As I said above this should not have happened and should be changed.
    Yours nowecant?

    Former student of DIT and I live in the area.

    I believe DIT has been treated like a cousin with Tourette Syndrome in Irish third level education. This development will hopefully help balance the playing field for what is Ireland largest educational institution and who provide education to people at every level of society from FAS courses to PhDs

    I also think we have to move on from this as problems may arise from mentioning a particular individual and what he is pertained to have done. Your point is made and noted however.


  • #119
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    The DIT Newspaper has a nice article about the work starting
    Demolition work to clear the way for DIT’s single campus in Grangegorman is due to start in the new year, and the site will be ready to take students by 2014.

    The Grangegorman Development Agency (GDA) lodged the first planning notice for DIT’s unified campus with Dublin City Council earlier this month. 16 buildings on the site of St. Brendan’s psychiatric hospital are to be knocked down to make way for services and campus infrastructure like footpaths, lights, benches and playing fields.

    Spokesperson for the GDA, Ronan Doyle, told The Edition they hoped to have over 1,000 DIT students studying on the site by 2014. The agency will refurbish a number of protected buildings on the site to accommodate this group, which will include Fine Arts students from Mountjoy Square.

    The first new buildings are due to be completed in 2017 through a public-private partnership. A Central Quad will be the first set of buildings to be completed, housing about 10,000 students from tourism, food and science departments. This means half of DIT’s students will be in Grangegorman in five years’ time.

    “Things are happening now,” Mr. Doyle said. “We’re very much up and running.” The GDA’s plans for the site became the basis of a Strategic Development Zone after approval came from An Bórd Pleanála last May. “All of the appeals were sorted and the document effectively became a formal development plan,” said Mr. Doyle. “It gives a great sense of security to the project.”

    The Broombridge Luas extension, which is planned to serve Grangegorman, also got the go-ahead from an Bórd Pleanála in August.

    Initial demolition work will begin early next year, but the changing rooms used by a number of DIT sports clubs are to remain in place longer.

    This should allay fears expressed by Stephen Brandon, captain of DIT Caving Club, which is one of several groups that regularly use facilities in Grangegorman. “That’s the first I’ve heard of it,” he said, when told about the demolition notice last week. “I hope they don’t drive a bulldozer through our equipment store without telling us!”

    Im glad the Mountjoy students are among the first to be moved as they are woefully lacking in decent services up there.


  • #120
    Pete_Cavan
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    Following on from the recent opening of the Phoenix Care Centre at Grangegorman, the Grangegorman Development Agency are now seeking tenders for the refurbishment of Structure 12 (Laundry Building) on the campus to form a Primary Care Centre. More details on this project here and here. The news section of the GDA website also contains info on the appointment of legal advisors for PPP project and also recent planning applications. It is good to see further progress being made with regard to developing the site.


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  • #121
    aodhan2
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭aodhan2


    Did anyone reading this thread attend the meeting in the last few days where local residents met with builders and developers? I belive the contracts were awarded on the pretense of providing 25% employment to local residents. Apparently a tyrone builder has the contract and he is to use all his own workers. Im looking to find info regarding this and who is answerable,but if true its a disgrace .


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