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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #7682
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    lugha wrote: »
    Calm yourself laddie!
    You are paying it to a bank, not into the government coffers.

    Are you proposing that we go act nicely ask the banks (our banks!) to simply hand over the stamp duty portion of what their customers pay as part of the mortgage?

    Whut????


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    #7683
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Fine Gael missed a trick when they turned down Vincent Browne. Now there is a man who knows how to tell that troika where to get off. I suppose George Lee could be Taoiseach by now if he hadn't found politics a bit beyond his capabilities.

    Here it is again for anyone that missed it earlier.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fine-gael-deputy-on-e110000-cant-take-wage-cut-1646893.html

    That's what your beloved Fine Gael actually think about doing their bit for Ireland.

    Bit hypocritical of the man spearheading this campaign with threats of taking money forcibly from the public, when he won't even give up any of his own vast salary because of his own 'personal circumstances'

    Good for the goose, and all that lark.


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    #7684
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    *Sigh*

    Its impossible to make the FG/labour tax advocacies here see the light.
    Let them continue with their spin.


    I'm not paying twice and so far 1.3 million is not paying either.
    End of story.


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    #7685
    BarackPyjama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 974 ✭✭✭BarackPyjama


    porsche boy wrote: »
    I dont know your pesonal circumstances but the people I refer to would be more than capable of helping get this country back on track with their own money.

    28% of all wealth in Ireland is owned by the top 1%.

    I want to break that down to simpler numbers, 1% of the population is approx 36'000 adults.
    28% of the nations wealth is €130 billion
    So on average there is 36'000 people with a bank balance of 3.8 million, approximately.
    These people are also expected to pay €100. Is that fair or just? is that what a democratic republic is about?

    Well I'm definitely not in that demographic, that's for sure! A nice thought.

    I'd agree that a tax on the obscenely wealthy might not be a bad idea but I'd be loathe to think that some of them might not deserve to bail everyone else out and would be doing so anyway. Ideally, the people who got us into this mess should be getting us out of it. Anyway, wishful thinking never got us anywhere I suppose.


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    #7686
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Biggins wrote: »
    *Sigh*

    Its impossible to make the spin artists here see the light.
    Let them continue with their spin.


    I'm not paying twice and so far 1.3 million is not paying either.
    End of story.

    In fairness Biggins you mis-read the details on the site you referenced. The sliding scale going up tp 6% is for sites. The residential property rate is effectively 1%.


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    #7687
    baldymac
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭baldymac


    why dont we get rid of all the foreigners who havent been able to find a job for 3 months and send them back home instead of claiming


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    #7688
    porsche boy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭porsche boy


    alastair wrote: »
    Will it be a HUGE uprising, in the same vein as the HUGE national protest at the National Stadium?

    If you bothered to look into the protest and the organisation you would realise there is funding set aside for any lawyers or legal costs for any of the members brought to court. There will also be protesters at any court clogging up the entire building when a court case for non-payment is brought.

    further more the National Stadium rally was such a success that the capacity of the stadium was reached with a further one thousand people outside. What have you done recently, twat?


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    #7689
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Biggins wrote: »
    Go and bone up on your facts - then come back to us will you?

    The following are the rates of stamp duty which apply to sites and land in Ireland:

    1% for FIRST time buyers ONLY!

    The rest? 6%

    Don't take my word for it!

    See: http://www.propertyfile.net/stampduty.htm

    The current rate of stamp duty on residential propery is 1%.
    Don't take my word for it.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/owning_a_home/buying_a_home/stamp_duty.html


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    #7690
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    baldymac wrote: »
    why dont we get rid of all the foreigners who havent been able to find a job for 3 months and send them back home instead of claiming

    Foreigner bashing will get us nowhere but the gutter.

    Leave it there.


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    #7691
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,490 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Biggins wrote: »
    *Sigh*

    Its impossible to make the FG/labour tax advocacies here see the light.
    Let them continue with their spin.


    I'm not paying twice and so far 1.3 million is not paying either.
    End of story.

    Not quite the end. I am still saying that 58% will have paid by the 31st the same as I said a month ago. I'm inviting anyone interested to make their prediction now.


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    #7692
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Lots of posters on the side of the roads saying ''don't register, don't pay. No one is removing them either.


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    #7693
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Not quite the end. I am still saying that 58% will have paid by the 31st the same as I said a month ago. I'm inviting anyone interested to make their prediction now.

    -38%


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    #7694
    howamidifferent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    lugha wrote: »
    In fairness Biggins you mis-read the details on the site you referenced. The sliding scale going up tp 6% is for sites. The residential property rate is effectively 1%.

    Its you who need to read up. I paid 22k stamp duty in 2006. That was no 1%.
    And yes I had to borrow it. Where else was I going to get it. So I am paying it back over 25 years and it will cost in excess of 40k....Spin it how you like, its an ongoing property tax that I have to pay. :mad:

    I knew I was signing up to that. I did not and will not sign up to a second property tax on top of it. :mad:


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    #7695
    jluv
    Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭jluv


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    This Government wasn't in power during the boom times. It's like giving one business €10,000 an then refusing to give any other business more money because that one business was terrible.
    The same local authority is there.But saying that if I could be assured,not just by saying you are going to use this money for a purpose,but by having a business plan showing how you are going to use this money,and I'm not asking that it be used on my road/area as I would be agreeable to assisting the bigger picture.However as far as I'm concerned I have only been informed in a very vague way that this money will be used for "local services". Leaves a lot of room for money to be used for something other than what I had intended it to be used for..As before


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    porsche boy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭porsche boy


    BarackPyjama wrote: »
    Well I'm definitely not in that demographic, that's for sure! A nice thought.

    I'd agree that a tax on the obscenely wealthy might not be a bad idea but I'd be loathe to think that some of them might not deserve to bail everyone else out and would be doing so anyway. Ideally, the people who got us into this mess should be getting us out of it. Anyway, wishful thinking never got us anywhere I suppose.

    agreed.
    We cant rely on the people that got us here righting their wrongs, sure Bertie has just resigned. David Drumm lives in Cape Cod. Sean Fitzpatrick is on unemployment benifit (poor, poor Seanie) and the rest of the golden circle are sipping champers in yachts off the cost of Africa. I do quite like you CAB suggestion though. :)


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    #7697
    baldymac
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭baldymac


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Foreigner bashing will get us nowhere but the gutter.

    Leave it there.

    do you know how much they sent back to there own countries instead of here , not millions but billions


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    #7698
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Ghandee wrote: »
    -38%
    Minus 38%? :eek:

    That's optimism:pac:


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    #7699
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    lugha wrote: »
    In fairness Biggins you mis-read the details on the site you referenced. The sliding scale going up tp 6% is for sites. The residential property rate is effectively 1%.

    FROM 2010.

    Got that? Please tell me you got that?

    Right....

    Previously - for those that bought their home prior to 2010 (and during the Celtic period partly) - the rate's were different and as such - are you still with me? - MUCH higher and so people were/are paying those rates inbuilt into their mortgage re-payments because they (the vast bulk of Ireland buyers I suspect) purchased a lot of homes then.

    Got it?

    Need further back-up to those higher rates prior to 2010?

    http://www.sellityourself.ie/property_news/new_stamp_duty_budget_2008.html

    Note the 7%
    1% higher than Ming actually stated too!


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    #7700
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Lots of posters on the side of the roads saying ''don't register, don't pay. No one is removing them either.
    Another council service that needs to be paid for.


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    #7701
    jluv
    Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭jluv


    alastair wrote: »
    You're not getting anything extra for the tax - who suggested you were? It's an attempt to make up for a deficit that currently exists. As to the services that your local authority provides, and how much they cost - again - check your local authorities website - their accounts are publically available.
    You've answered my question..Didn't get anything last time,won't get anything this time. Yet again those who have not contributed ever are not expected to contribute now. I refuse to be a fool..


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    #7702
    D1stant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    howamidifferent wrote: »
    Its you who need to read up. I paid 22k stamp duty in 2006. That was no 1%.
    And yes I had to borrow it. Where else was I going to get it. So I am paying it back over 25 years and it will cost in excess of 40k....Spin it how you like, its an ongoing property tax that I have to pay. :mad:

    I knew I was signing up to that. I did not and will not sign up to a second property tax on top of it. :mad:

    Thats a fair gripe, and there is a case for people who have bought at high stamp rates during the boom. But Biggins is aggressively evangelising Ming talking sh1te and I cant let that go

    A 300k house purchase today is 3k in tax, not 37k. Not 1500 per year blah blah

    Banks may have lent the stamp duty in years gone by but they certainly dont now. Its 1% up front


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    #7703
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    howamidifferent wrote: »
    Its you who need to read up. I paid 22k stamp duty in 2006. That was no 1%.
    And yes I had to borrow it. Where else was I going to get it. So I am paying it back over 25 years and it will cost in excess of 40k....Spin it how you like, its an ongoing property tax that I have to pay. :mad:

    I knew I was signing up to that. I did not and will not sign up to a second property tax on top of it. :mad:
    Aw c'mon - you borrowed the money for your stamp duty on a 25 year loan and you want to call it a property tax?

    I know someone who got an equity release to bring their family on a trip to Florida. Property tax?

    ffs:mad:


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    #7704
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Foreigner bashing will get us nowhere but the gutter.

    Leave it there.

    Unless it's "the German gamblers".

    Plenty of no campaigners taking pops at these utterly fictitious individuals.


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    #7705
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    howamidifferent wrote: »
    Its you who need to read up. I paid 22k stamp duty in 2006. That was no 1%.
    The dispute related to what the current rate of stamp duty is. I am very well aware that it was higher in the past, I had to pay it too.
    howamidifferent wrote: »
    Spin it how you like, its an ongoing property tax that I have to pay.
    No, it is a property tax that you have paid in full in to the exchequer funds of the government of the day, (FF). You paid this tax, as most of us did with borrowed money and yes, you will be repaying that with interest for some time. But that money has long since been squandered / spend by FF.

    So how do you propose that we fund local services with tax euro paid and spent 6 years ago?


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    #7706
    rebeve
    Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭rebeve


    Shenshen wrote: »
    It's €100, that's around €8.33 a month.

    I'm finding it absolutely baffling how people can get worked up over this, yet will happily spend as much on a single drink on a night out....

    Get a grip. Seriously.
    Never had the decision to make re food or heat ?Hope its always that way for you .You hav`nt a clue whats going on in this country .


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    howamidifferent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    lugha wrote: »
    So how do you propose that we fund local services with tax euro paid and spent 6 years ago?

    I propose we start by slashing all politicians pay to reasonable levels ie. max of 70k for the top job. 50k for the rest.
    Then lets have the local council list the services they intend to provide and the costs for these services. Let us see the entries for iPhones and the likes, trips to NY for paddys day etc and let the people vote/decide on what they believe are really vital services....That would be a start. And I also like to know where they intend to build a library, a park and a swimming pool in my village...


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    #7708
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    porsche boy wrote: »
    Well, you missed that point didn't you.
    If the national movement that's in action dont manage to completely overturn this then you will only have to pay that bit extra if you decide to pay at all. Remember a national movement similar to this overturned the water rates in the mid ninties and a movement like this managed to back Maggie Tatcher into withdrawal of Poll Tax in the UK.

    I'm missing no point. Those who delay payment will only end up paying an extra 50% into the coffers. Nice windfall for the govt. Property taxes are happening - don't delude yourself otherwise.

    And as the poll tax. I was there and refused to pay. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen - This is no poll tax.


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    #7709
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    howamidifferent wrote: »
    I propose we start by slashing all politicians pay to reasonable levels ie. max of 70k for the top job. 50k for the rest.
    Then lets have the local council list the services they intend to provide and the costs for these services. Let us see the entries for iPhones and the likes, trips to NY for paddys day etc and let the people vote/decide on what they believe are really vital services....That would be a start. And I also like to know where they intend to build a library, a park and a swimming pool in my village...

    So you want to cut waste ... and get a new library, park and swimming pool in every village? :D


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    #7710
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    porsche boy wrote: »
    further more the National Stadium rally was such a success that the capacity of the stadium was reached with a further one thousand people outside. What have you done recently, twat?

    Heh. A movement that claims over a million behind them only has the ambition to book a venue with a capacity of 2,000 for their self proclaimed 'Huge' focal point protest. Major success alright. :rolleyes:

    What have I done? I've paid my taxes rather than waste people's time.


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    #7711
    MightyBouche
    Closed Accounts Posts: 54 ✭✭MightyBouche


    porsche boy wrote: »
    So on average there is 36'000 people with a bank balance of 3.8 million, approximately.

    Are you under the impression that the wealth is kept in liquid cash in bank accounts?

    The people you're referring to also pay the majority of the tax collected by the revenue every year in this country. Easy to forget that though, isn't it?

    baldymac wrote: »
    do you know how much they sent back to there own countries instead of here , not millions but billions

    Are you referring to the money they worked their arses off for, far harder than their Irish counterparts and indeed for less money than them? The money they paid PAYE to receive and put more of it back into the country in the form of VAT and taxes collected on rent? Who are you to tell them where their money should go?

    I'm not liable for the household charge but would pay it if I were. Those opposing it are being foolishly self-serving and short sighted.


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