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  • #7802
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    home help should not be cut but the state pension is extremley generous in this country , rather than cut the pension , 75 euro should be deducted each week in order to cover the cost of employing home help , the goverment can subsidise the rest
    €75 is an awful lot of money :eek:

    The elderly have expenses too. I'm just thinking of my own Granny, she lives in a modest home but she has had to re-wire it, re-roof and insulate her home in the last few years which was a very expensive exercise.

    She has free travel but she lives in Clare so public transport is very poor so she never uses her travel pass. She has lots of medical issues so she would also spent alot on health services that are not provided by the HSE. Like the rest of us she has to pay for home insurance, fuel, utilities and groceries.

    * I'm aware of the fact she would have a fuel allowance and some free units of electricity but she uses alot of fuel as she is on Warfin and a side effect of this is that she is extremely cold alot of the time.


  • #7803
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,073 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    i understand the borrowers bit but what have you in mind for savers ?

    Something like 50% return or there abouts what the rate the bank is lending their money out to borrowers, would seem fair based on them just giving out the money they are taking in with minimal work inbetween.


  • #7804
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    grey_so_what wrote: »
    That is a lot of money g-j.......that would stress any pensioners head..........They are terrified about rises in everything.........That would put sheer terror the thought of it.....



    SNAP MRSD!

    the pensioners are nowhere near the shrinking violets many make them out to be , if they were , the goverment wouldnt fear them like they do

    the pension in ireland is double what it is in the uk and the added benefits are more generous too , therefore their is no reason why a deduction for home help is unaffordable , call it a joint public - private effort


  • #7805
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    These American correspondents are so chirpy :D


  • #7806
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    €75 is an awful lot of money :eek:

    The elderly have expenses too. I'm just thinking of my own Granny, she lives in a modest home but she has had to re-wire it, re-roof and insulate her home in the last few years which was a very expensive exercise.

    She has free travel but she lives in Clare so public transport is very poor so she never uses her travel pass. She has lots of medical issues so she would also spent alot on health services that are not provided by the HSE. Like the rest of us she has to pay for home insurance, fuel, utilities and groceries.

    * I'm aware of the fact she would have a fuel allowance and some free units of electricity but she uses alot of fuel as she is on Warfin and a side effect of this is that she is extremely cold alot of the time.


    fuel and utilities are subsidised for pensioners , the public health system provide all the same services which private providers offer and pensioners are always moved along the quee


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  • #7807
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    I can't understand why anyone would want to vote for Romney. The man is an idiot. A rich idiot but still an idiot.


  • #7808
    Kurz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 786 ✭✭✭Kurz


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    the pensioners are nowhere near the shrinking violets many make them out to be , if they were , the goverment wouldnt fear them like they do

    the pension in ireland is double what it is in the uk and the added benefits are more generous too , therefore their is no reason why a deduction for home help is unaffordable , call it a joint public - private effort

    A lot of things cost double here what they do in the UK, there's no relevance in that comparison whatsoever other than to contrast cost of living.

    As well as that, the UK's social policies are more commonly used as an example of what not to do.


  • #7809
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Something like 50% return or there abouts what the rate the bank is lending their money out to borrowers, would seem fair based on them just giving out the money they are taking in with minimal work inbetween.

    banks in ireland pay extremley high rates of interest compared to their counterparts in europe and the usa , you get less than 1% on savings with american banks theese days , the irish banks are so desperate for funds , they have had to hike payments to savers


  • #7810
    grey_so_what
    Registered Users Posts: 19,749 ✭✭✭✭grey_so_what


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    the pensioners are nowhere near the shrinking violets many make them out to be , if they were , the goverment wouldnt fear them like they do

    the pension in ireland is double what it is in the uk and the added benefits are more generous too , therefore their is no reason why a deduction for home help is unaffordable , call it a joint public - private effort

    I'm guessing you're not "old".............:(


  • #7811
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    Kurz wrote: »
    A lot of things cost double here what they do in the UK, there's no relevance in that comparison whatsoever other than to contrast cost of living.

    As well as that, the UK's social policies are more commonly used as an example of what not to do.

    the cost of living is no more than 10% higher in the uk than here , its much higher in the south east of england than here and besides , the state pension in the uk is 102 pound per week , for a couple its 170 , for a couple here , its either 219 by two or 230 by two


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  • #7812
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    Kurz wrote: »
    A lot of things cost double here what they do in the UK, there's no relevance in that comparison whatsoever other than to contrast cost of living.

    As well as that, the UK's social policies are more commonly used as an example of what not to do.
    I agree completely, Ireland may offer higher social welfare rates than the UK but the UK provide better services to their citizens.

    Better public transport
    Everyone in the UK has free access to NHS doctors and medicines
    Better childcare provision


  • #7813
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    fuel and utilities are subsidised for pensioners , the public health system provide all the same services which private providers offer and pensioners are always moved along the quee
    These have been cut in previous budgets.


  • #7814
    grey_so_what
    Registered Users Posts: 19,749 ✭✭✭✭grey_so_what


    Me and VB..............Die Hards......................It take's real men to stay up to watch the Debate.......


    Wouldn't you think the young ones would have least made an effort - even to make a comment??????

    (If you knew you were going to be the telly???)


  • #7815
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    grey_so_what wrote: »
    I'm guessing you're not "old".............:(

    mid thirties and very much aware that when i reach the age of sixty eight , whats waiting for me will be nowhere near as generous as what those of that age recieve today , any young person nowadays should prioritise buying a private pension above everything else , including buying a house


  • #7816
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,800 ✭✭✭take everything


    FF second most popular party.
    Depressing state of Irish politics.


  • #7817
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    the pensioners are nowhere near the shrinking violets many make them out to be , if they were , the goverment wouldnt fear them like they do

    the pension in ireland is double what it is in the uk and the added benefits are more generous too , therefore their is no reason why a deduction for home help is unaffordable , call it a joint public - private effort

    Maybe when our politicians pay themselves salaries commensurate with their counterparts in the UK, then they might have some sort of mandate to take a look at the rest of the social welfare rates.


  • #7818
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    I agree completely, Ireland may offer higher social welfare rates than the UK but the UK provide better services to their citizens.

    Better public transport
    Everyone in the UK has free access to NHS doctors and medicines
    Better childcare provision

    health is free to anyone on social wellfare here which includes pensioners , child benefit is much higher here than in the uk , you cant have it everyway


  • #7819
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    take everything wrote: »
    FF second most popular party.
    Depressing state of Irish politics.
    Good Lord, some people have very short memories in this country :mad:


  • #7820
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    Maybe when our politicians pay themselves salaries commensurate with their counterparts in the UK, then they might have some sort of mandate to take a look at the rest of the social welfare rates.

    never heard that one before


  • #7821
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    I can't understand why anyone would want to vote for Romney. The man is an idiot. A rich idiot but still an idiot.

    i wouldnt vote for him but how is he an idiot


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  • #7822
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,073 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    take everything wrote: »
    FF second most popular party.
    Depressing state of Irish politics.

    Exactly, if the choice was themselves, Bin Laden, Gareth Glitter or James Saville they still wouldn't get my vote.


  • #7823
    grey_so_what
    Registered Users Posts: 19,749 ✭✭✭✭grey_so_what


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    mid thirties and very much aware that when i reach the age of sixty eight , whats waiting for me will be nowhere near as generous as what those of that age recieve today , any young person nowadays should prioritise buying a private pension above everything else , including buying a house

    Basic rights would be a nice starter for Carers.


  • #7824
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    never heard that one before

    When Dermot Ahern was talking about bringing welfare rates in line with Northern Ireland he was conveniently forgetting that his salary and expenses and his obscene pay off was multiples more than a UK MP would receive. I realise your response was nothing more than a glib remark but it's a case of "Do as we say, not as we do" when it comes to Irish politicians. They're a bunch of hypocrites.


  • #7825
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    When Dermot Ahern was talking about bringing welfare rates in line with Northern Ireland he was conveniently forgetting that his salary and expenses and his obscene pay off was multiples more than a UK MP would receive. I realise your response was nothing more than a glib remark but it's a case of "Do as we say, not as we do" when it comes to Irish politicians. They're a bunch of hypocrites.

    a glib reply is about fitting for a cliched unoriginal line about cutting politicans pay , if politicans worked for minimum wage , thier would still be thousands , steadfastly opposed to cuts to the pension , its a meaningless point


  • #7826
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    i wouldnt vote for him but how is he an idiot

    Would you seriously vote for a man who uses the expression "binders full of women"? :rolleyes:


  • #7827
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    I have a feeling that Minister James Reilly/Minister Joan Burton have been on this thread tonight ;)


  • #7828
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    greecy_joe wrote: »
    a glib reply is about fitting for a cliched unoriginal line about cutting politicans pay , if politicans worked for minimum wage , thier would still be thousands , steadfastly opposed to cuts to the pension , its a meaningless point

    That's your opinion.


  • #7829
    bluefinger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭bluefinger


    Can we change the thread title to Tonight with Richard Boyd Barrett?


  • #7830
    greecy_joe
    Site Banned Posts: 69 ✭✭greecy_joe


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    Would you seriously vote for a man who uses the expression "binders full of women"? :rolleyes:

    i didnt watch the debate , all i heard was that obama showed up this time


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  • #7831
    grey_so_what
    Registered Users Posts: 19,749 ✭✭✭✭grey_so_what


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    I have a feeling that Minister James Reilly/Minister Joan Burton have been on this thread tonight ;)


    Would they have been as greasy as to do that do you think MrsD????????

    Might have a burger drenched in oil and greasy chips tonight............yum yum......:eek:


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