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Hmm, not sure I agree with that. Take the 67N. The run takes no more than 45 mins yet services are 2 hours apart. The driver has time for a decent kip between runs, and therefore has plenty of time to pick up on the way back.
66N runs every 30 mins. Run takes 35 minutes, meaning at least 3 buses required to run it, meaning the driver has an hour and a half to do just over an hour's work. Again plenty of time for pick ups.
I'm only arguing the toss here really. In the list of things I find wrong with the Nitelink "service" the running of buses As Serbhís back into the city centre is near the bottom.
Does your Nitelink telepath itself back into Dublin again?
You need llow time inwards into the city again as well; if it's picking up inwards you need to allow time for this as well which isn't as practical on one route as it is on another. Drivers also are picking up buses before your first 67N and they need time afterwards to return their buses back to garages; time is also needed for a rostered break for as well (You don't want a tired driver, do you? 
) There may also be a issue with ticket sales out of town as outlying areas won't have many 24 hour shops selling tickets, it will be cash or nothing for most passengers.
Point being, it's not as simple as turn around and pick up on the way back in. The need for a service both ways late on is valid though and it needs to be looked at.0 -
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Read my post again. 45 hours to do a run, by 2, gives 90 minutes, on a service that runs every 120 mins.Losty Dublin wrote: »Does your Nitelink telepath itself back into Dublin again? You need llow time inwards into the city again as well;
It's simple to pick up on the return leg. Brighton's night buses run full service routes. It's only DB that make it hard.0 -
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Clowns! Flipping Clowns are running Dublin Bus (I know this because I know a few of them). The major issue with cutting bus services is that the economic effects are not limited to the bus services. A publicly run bus service should not exist to make money, nor should any public service. If a public service is capable of making money it should be open to free competition. The problem is in this country we see any and every public service as a loss making operation. This is not in fact the case.
The major benefit buses provide, other than providing essential services to those with no other means of transport, is that they boost productivity and turnover by
A) getting customers to and from places of business
removing unnecessary cars and vehicles from the road
This provides as boost in overall revenue, increasing GDP. There is also the social aspect. As Dublin is a sprawling metropolis many people live on the fringes and can only meet many of their friends by travelling into town (I include myself in this category).
This of course is not saying that any spending should be done frivolously, but every time services are looked at the wider implications need to be considered. If nitelink services are cut (which I believe they will be) the effect on publicans in town, and those who work in town late at night will be devastating. For myself the effect would be similar. I for one would find it very hard to justify meeting my friends and spending €50 getting home by taxi every weekend. I do not have many friends where I live, and none I would consider drinking buddies. My social life would effectively cease. I am sure I am not the only one who would be in this situation.
If I were minister for transport (and pray that one day I am, then this country will work) I would slash not increase bus fares, increase services, make the bus a feasible transport solution to many who refuse to use it, remove more cars from the road, improve the environment, save the cheerleader, save the world.0 -
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munkifisht wrote: »Clowns! Flipping Clowns are running Dublin Bus (I know this because I know a few of them). The major issue with cutting bus services is that the economic effects are not limited to the bus services. A publicly run bus service should not exist to make money, nor should any public service.
The major benefit buses provide, other than providing essential services to those with no other means of transport, is that they boost productivity and turnover by
A) getting customers to and from places of business removing unnecessary cars and vehicles from the road
This provides as boost in overall revenue, increasing GDP. There is also the social aspect. As Dublin is a sprawling metropolis many people live on the fringes and can only meet many of their friends by travelling into town (I include myself in this category).
This of course is not saying that any spending should be done frivolously, but every time services are looked at the wider implications need to be considered. If nitelink services are cut (which I believe they will be) the effect on publicans in town, and those who work in town late at night will be devastating. For myself the effect would be similar. I for one would find it very hard to justify meeting my friends and spending €50 getting home by taxi every weekend. I do not have many friends where I live, and none I would consider drinking buddies. My social life would effectively cease. I am sure I am not the only one who would be in this situation.
If I were minister for transport (and pray that one day I am, then this country will work) I would slash not increase bus fares, increase services, make the bus a feasible transport solution to many who refuse to use it, remove more cars from the road, improve the environment, save the cheerleader, save the world.
Well said Monkifisht.
I note your familiarlty with Circus folk,may I ask if any of these Clowns are associated with the Network Direct Troupe ?
You see,as a DB driver,I see on a daily basis,something which my senior managerial staff do not.....the faces of my customers.
I also have interaction which my managers do not...I hear my customers.....they tell me conversationally,of their ill`s,their joy`s,their fears and their expectations for their futures and that of their families and friends.
This primal level of interaction is not something understood by the Statisticians or Surveyors who provided the raw data upon which Network Direct was based.
Even subsequent to what amounted to the vandalization of much of the N11 corridor`s services the Network Direct Troupe continued to rely on "Stats" to provide the confirmation that their Emperor was fully clothed,when a brief chat with some of those queuing would have proven the opposite.
Recessions and Depressions should be the very time when PUBLIC Transport comes into it`s own.
Right now,we in Dublin Bus should be in the ascendant,as the reality comes to bear that multiple private car ownership and use in single households is no longer sustainable.
Instead,just as the private-car starts to lose it`s primacy,we take our assets and sell them off in some insane adherence to principles devised by Accountancy Consultants,many of which contributed in no small way to the current financial mess to begin with !!
Oh well...Bring on the Clowns.... :mad:Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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I couldn't disagree more. I agree that public transport should be, but not Dublin Bus. Sack the management and get rid of the unions first, add in a good dose of deregulation, and then we'll talk.
Hmmmm..interesting,if somewhat dated, vision of Public Transport nirvana...particularly the "dose of deregulation" bit.
I`m afraid the preoccupation with some notion that Unions hold some huge degree of power is equally outdated and a red-herring if ever there was one.
Which leaves us with Sacking the Management,not something I would have been generally in favour of prior to Network Direct.....However events since September 17th 2010 have been so poorly administered that even I am reconsidering my opinions
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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