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Attack on female Garda in Dublin

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  • #212
    Turner
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    If i was being kicked unconscious and the person kept on kicking me and smashing my skull,

    yes i would want a farmer to shoot. If the farmer believed there was no other way in which to save my life.


  • #213
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    No you wouldn't have to kick the **** out of them all that was needed was for a few people to restrain them.
    It can take up to 3 Gardai to properly restrain someone. When restraining someone, you must ensure they don't get hurt, or you may open yourself to civil action. Also, members of the public may get injured whilst holding down scum, by the friends of the scum.


  • #214
    Turner
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    Dont underestimate how hard it is to restrain somebody no matter how small they are.

    Or how big or how many of you there is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z64D-l6JUS8



    And this fella didnt even try and attack the police, he was simply trying to get away.

    The pepper spray worked.


  • #215
    cushtac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    the_syco wrote: »
    When restraining someone, you must ensure they don't get hurt, or you may open yourself to civil action.

    Incorrect. There's no requirement to ensure the other party does not get hurt. Gardaí, and civilians engaged in self-defence, are entitled to use reasonable force. Reasonable force is the degree of force that is appropriate in a given situation and is not excessive.

    I have yet to come across a case here where someone has applied reasonable force in a self-defence situation and gotten successfully sued for doing so.


  • #216
    Terrontress
    Registered Users Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    Chief--- wrote: »
    If i was being kicked unconscious and the person kept on kicking me and smashing my skull,

    yes i would want a farmer to shoot. If the farmer believed there was no other way in which to save my life.

    My point is that the person with the shotgun is not qualified to make the decision as to whether your life is at risk or what is an appropriate response.

    And most likely unable to deal with the consequences of having killed someone.


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  • #217
    Turner
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    Terrontress wrote: »
    My point is that the person with the shotgun is not qualified to make the decision as to whether your life is at risk or what is an appropriate response.

    And most likely unable to deal with the consequences of having killed someone.

    Who is??

    A brain surgeon??

    Not too many of them standing around the streets with guns!


  • #218
    Yareli Obedient Mirage
    Posts: 0 ✭ Yareli Obedient Mirage


    the_syco wrote: »
    It can take up to 3 Gardai to properly restrain someone. When restraining someone, you must ensure they don't get hurt, or you may open yourself to civil action. Also, members of the public may get injured whilst holding down scum, by the friends of the scum.

    Security personnel restrain people all the time. Staff in shops restrain people. They don't have any training. And you may have noticed that there is never a case in the papers about them being sued.

    And most of these scum will run a mile if somebody puts it up to them, especially if there is a group of people tackling them. The ones who attacked the garda just saw an opertunity and took it. And as long as people are prepared to stand by and watch without intervening it will happen again.

    And Terrontress, we know that you cannot be relied upon to help out in a situation where somebody is being attacked so there is no need for you to keep trying to justify your reasons by throwing up unlikely situations.

    If I am ever unlucky enough to be attacked and am outnumbered I would be more than greatful to anybody who stepped in to help.


  • #219
    Yareli Obedient Mirage
    Posts: 0 ✭ Yareli Obedient Mirage


    Terrontress wrote: »
    My point is that the person with the shotgun is not qualified to make the decision as to whether your life is at risk or what is an appropriate response.

    And most likely unable to deal with the consequences of having killed someone.

    And how are they any different to a Garda who is trained how to shoot? There are probably some private gun owners who are better shots than some Gardai.

    And I'm sure the Garda gun training doesn't turn gardai into robots who don't think of the consequences of pulling thier guns on a person never mind choosing to shoot them.


  • #220
    cushtac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    Terrontress wrote: »
    My point is that the person with the shotgun is not qualified to make the decision as to whether your life is at risk or what is an appropriate response.

    What qualifications do you think a person is supposed to have to make such a decision?
    Terrontress wrote: »
    And most likely unable to deal with the consequences of having killed someone.

    What consequences are you referring to and what makes you think that a Garda is any more capable of dealing with them than anyone else?


  • #221
    Turner
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    tick tick tick....


    .....I think this thread has run its course.


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  • #222
    Terrontress
    Registered Users Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    cushtac wrote: »
    What qualifications do you think a person is supposed to have to make such a decision?



    What consequences are you referring to and what makes you think that a Garda is any more capable of dealing with them than anyone else?

    Armed Gardai go through rigorous selection, training, psychological profiling. I know someone who has a gun from a farm and I wouldn't trust him with a catipult never mind a gun. He has told me some crazy stories. He is not capable of making a decision as to whether to kill.

    And do you know what happens to an armed Garda when they kill someone? They are taken off duty, debriefed, counselled.

    And these are highly trained pros who wake up each morning knowing they might kill someone.


  • #223
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,631 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Chief--- wrote: »
    tick tick tick....


    .....I think this thread has run its course.
    Terrontress wrote: »
    Armed Gardai go through rigorous selection, training, psychological profiling. I know someone who has a gun from a farm and I wouldn't trust him with a catipult never mind a gun. He has told me some crazy stories. He is not capable of making a decision as to whether to kill.

    And do you know what happens to an armed Garda when they kill someone? They are taken off duty, debriefed, counselled.

    And these are highly trained pros who wake up each morning knowing they might kill someone.

    It certainly has Chief.

    Closed.


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