[grindle]

Originally Posted by ScumLord

Yes, people can make music and midi on a hell of a lot of other devices other than an iPhone. It's a myth that Apple is the only computer that can be used in music and video production, a silly marketing myth.

I understand that it's a myth in the desktop/laptop world, and don't buy into it, but with the handheld devices (phones/tablets), iOS is the only one capable of latencies lower than 25ms.
This is according to app developers who are desperate to provide the apps to Android users, but don't want their app's image tarnished by Java's shiitty latency-causing architecture (or, badly implemented drivers).

Maybe Windows 8 for phones will tackle this, and provide another option, but they're still ironing latency issues out on the desktop variant at the moment, so that'll take priority.

[srsly78]

Errr android exposes a c++ native sdk for just that kind of thing. Try talking to better developers. Windows 8 on mobiles is even worse coz it's .net only.

Still doing it wrong tho, use a laptop.

[grindle]

Originally Posted by srsly78

Most music guys use laptops. What kind of moron tries to mix on an iphone!?

Gorillaz made most of an entire album on one (on an iPad, mastered out-of-box), but that's beside the point.

iPhones and iPads can be used as multi-page control surfaces, or synths, or drum-pads, or samplers.

So, the people who want those things, those are the morons who would want to use such things.

[srsly78]

Using it as a control device connected to a laptop is completely different, the laptop is doing all the work.

[grindle]

Originally Posted by srsly78

Errr android exposes a c++ native sdk for just that kind of thing. Try talking to better developers. Windows 8 on mobiles is even worse coz it's .net only.

Still doing it wrong tho, use a laptop.

Errr, they're the best in their field and you think they're wrong?
Korg, hexler and some others have put their apps out for Android
It's Android's problem, not their problem.
Oh wait, here's the Android-developer Dave Sparks, as in, develops Android as a Google engineer:

Latency is a big problem. We’re working at, hopefully we hope to be able to do something about it with ICS. As we investigated it it’s actually a pretty complex problem. There are a number of different places where latency gets introduced. Most of the latency is introduced below Android. Basically it’s happening in the drivers or in the chipsets or somewhere in there, and some of these are really obscene amounts like hundreds of milliseconds of latency in the audio path. So, that’s something we’re going to push on. We started/ I think we introduced something in CDD Gingerbread which was a “should” hit certain latencies.

And a link from... YESTERDAY??? Can this be real?
The good news is, this workaround (which has to be implemented by the developer, because Google can't be bothered yet) lowers the latency to around 20ms.
The bad news is, that's still pretty bad.

Also, how is using the most expressive, customisable controller available "doing it wrong"?

Do you think people should stick to the mouse and keyboard for MIDI tasks?

Originally Posted by srsly78

Using it as a control device connected to a laptop is completely different, the laptop is doing all the work.

Not with Lemur, it uses the iPad hardware for the physics, and the many amazing synths and samplers on the iPad are using it's hardware too, not the laptop's.

[Difference Engine]

The concept of Veblen goods explains a lot of this:

Some types of high-status goods, such as high-end wines, designer handbags, and luxury cars are Veblen goods, in that decreasing their prices decreases people's preference for buying them because they are no longer perceived as exclusive or high status products. [2] Similarly, a price increase may increase that high status and perception of exclusivity, thereby making the good even more preferable. Often such goods are no better or are even worse than their lower priced counterparts.

The Veblen effect is one of a family of theoretically possible anomalies in the general theory of demand in microeconomics. Other related effects include:

the snob effect: preference for goods because they are different from those commonly preferred; in other words, for consumers who want to use exclusive products, price is quality;[3]
the bandwagon effect: preference for a good increases as the number of people buying them increases.

Sounds like iPhone users to me.











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[Battered Mars Bar]

Originally Posted by grindle

Apple does very well, without a doubt, but they have the most apps (useful) and a better-coded, more thoughtful OS than the others.
Music-making/MIDI apps on anything but iOS?
No point, latency's too high.

I've grand apps too on android never had any problems. Sure apps are a load of overhyped crap anyway. I don't care about codes though doesn't affect me as the consumer as long as it works. Not interested in "music making" either sure I haven't a tune in my head I doubt these are the reasons why apple do well. Unless everyone's suddenly a computer coding music making genius. iPhones are much sought after by the lower classes aswell, becoming the burberry of technology imo. *snootyface*

[grindle]

Originally Posted by Battered Mars Bar

I doubt these are the reasons why apple do well. Unless everyone's suddenly a computer coding music making genius. iPhones are much sought after by the lower classes aswell, becoming the burberry of technology imo. *snootyface*

I agree.
Apple are doing well because of great aesthetics; creating the first properly smart smartphone, which led to the majority of developers developing for iPhone first; an overtly aggressive stance and dominance over their suppliers regards pricing.
Android phones would suit most people down to the ground, and would doubtless work just as well for the average consumer's needs, more-so if the OS was uniform and unimpeded by carriers installing their own software or sponsored software.

[Irish Guitarist]

Originally Posted by ScumLord

Most bananas are clones of the same plant that they've been reusing for decades.

"Organic" is a very lose term in some places too. In Ireland Organic goes beyond chemicals too, you have to have consideration for the wildlife that might be on your farm which means a reduction in usable land. I'd wonder what constitutes organic in the country tescos buys there bananas from? Fair trade would be a much more useful logo to see on their products.

Tesco organic bananas are also fair trade.

I'm pretty sure Tesco are truthful about their fruit being organic. You can tell there's no preservatives or other chemicals in them because they're often going mouldy on the supermarket shelf.