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Does McGuinness have any chance given the Indo's campaign against him?

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  • #122
    blahfckingblah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    What's that in there? A claim about a Michael D sex allegation ?

    Was I fast asleep for that one ? Or is it made up ?
    haha saw something about that in the mail on sunday yesterday (when else). Didn't bother reading though, the press is really starting to bug me.


  • #123
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    Finally, I find the attitude of a lot of people south of the border towards those who live in Ulster nothing short of disgusting. On numerous times in the past, I have been asked am I British because I am from Donegal!
    I'm not sure if it's really that disgusting to ask someone with a Northern accent* if they are British - most people in NI are British in identity. Disgusting? :confused:

    *not everyone will recognise a Donegal accent


  • #124
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'm not sure if it's really that disgusting to ask someone with a Northern accent* if they are British - most people in NI are British in identity. Disgusting? :confused:

    *not everyone will recognise a Donegal accent


    Monty - I have been asked this once I have stated I am from Donegal! The ignorance of some people has to be seen/heard to be believed!


  • #125
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'm not sure if it's really that disgusting to ask someone with a Northern accent* if they are British - most people in NI are British in identity. Disgusting? :confused:

    *not everyone will recognise a Donegal accent


    Narrow and closed minded at the very least. Stupid at the worst.


  • #126
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    Monty - I have been asked this once I have stated I am from Donegal!
    Ouch! That's different...


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  • #127
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    cardwizzard wrote: »
    Narrow and closed minded at the very least. Stupid at the worst.
    How so?


  • #128
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    How so?


    If you can't work that out, you are either pedantic or ignorant.


  • #129
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    dp


  • #130
    beeno67
    Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭beeno67


    cardwizzard wrote: »
    If you can't work that out, you are either pedantic or ignorant.

    I can't work it out either. He is from Donegal. Someone asked him was he British. How does that make them narrow and closed minded?


  • #131
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    cardwizzard wrote: »
    If you can't work that out, you are either pedantic or ignorant.

    You are claiming that it is 'narrow and closed-minded' not to recognise a Donegal accent as not being from a part of NI? Seriously? Would someone from Donegal always be able to distinguish a Wexford accent from a Waterford accent?

    Or is it 'narrow and closed-minded' to state that most people in NI consider themselves to be British?

    Try to actually address the questions and clarify your meaning instead of firing insults, the discussion will go much better that way.


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  • #132
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    You are claiming that it is 'narrow and closed-minded' not to recognise a Donegal accent as not being from a part of NI? Seriously? Would someone from Donegal always be able to distinguish a Wexford accent from a Waterford accent?

    Or is it 'narrow and closed-minded' to state that most people in NI consider themselves to be British?

    Try to actually address the questions and clarify your meaning instead of firing insults, the discussion will go much better that way.

    I think you need to reread Ladjacket's post again. He/she was asked if he was british because he is from Donegal. It was yourself who went down the accent route, when in fact that had nothing to do with it.

    And this Northern boy can tell the difference in those two accents by the way.(got a place in wexford:)). Who did I insult?


  • #133
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    cardwizzard wrote: »
    If you can't work that out, you are either pedantic or ignorant.

    You are claiming that it is 'narrow and closed-minded' not to recognise a Donegal accent as not being from a part of NI? Seriously? Would someone from Donegal always be able to distinguish a Wexford accent from a Waterford accent?

    Or is it 'narrow and closed-minded' to state that most people in NI consider themselves to be British?

    Try to actually address the questions and clarify your meaning instead of firing insults, the discussion will go much better that way.

    But Northern Ireland isn't in Britain - the clue is in the full name of the United Kingdom


  • #134
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    cardwizzard wrote: »
    I think you need to reread Ladjacket's post again. He/she was asked if he was british because he is from Donegal. It was yourself who went down the accent route, when in fact that had nothing to do with it.
    It's odd that you seemed to know that he wasn't referring to confusion due to his accent even before he wrote the post clarifying that... :confused:
    cardwizzard wrote: »
    And this Northern boy can tell the difference in those two accents by the way.(got a place in wexford:)). Who did I insult?
    The people who you described as 'either pedantic or ignorant', perhaps?


  • #135
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    But Northern Ireland isn't in Britain - the clue is in the full name of the United Kingdom

    Indeed, NI isn't in Britain, but the fact remains that most of them consider themselves British, as is their right under the GFA.


  • #136
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    It's odd that you seemed to know that he wasn't referring to confusion due to his accent even before he wrote the post clarifying that... :confused:

    QUOTE]



    He posted his post at 15.02 and I posted at 15.53. As I advised you, please reread his post before you continue with this . Read carefully.


  • #137
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    cardwizzard wrote: »

    He posted his post at 15.02 and I posted at 15.53. As I advised you, please reread his post before you continue with this . Read carefully.

    You replied quoting a post that I wrote where I suggested how confusion could arise that was written before Ladjacket clarified that he was asked whether he was British after he told them he was from Donegal. Do you understand?

    So what about my post or what I was saying was 'narrow and closed-minded at best' and 'stupid' at worst?


  • #138
    polod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭polod


    Martin McGuinness FTW :)


  • #139
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    15.02


    Finally, I find the attitude of a lot of people south of the border towards those who live in Ulster nothing short of disgusting. On numerous times in the past, I have been asked am I British because I am from Donegal! The same reflection is in the media as well, how dare this masked terrorist come down from Belfast to even attempt to win the race for Presidency?! A lot of people in and around the capital especially seem to forget that whilst innocent people were killed on both sides of the conflict in the troubles in the north, they were still Irishmen and Irishwomen. Just because it happened north of the border does not make it any less important.


    No mention of accents. It was yourself who entered and tried to change what was said. You haven't taken my advice and reread this post. Why clarify anything.

    I wont rise to your bait on the second part of your latest statement as I'm sure you will run to a mod again.(which is your right im sure).


  • #140
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    cardwizzard wrote: »
    No mention of accents. It was yourself who entered and tried to change what was said. You haven't taken my advice and reread this post. Why clarify anything.

    I wont rise to your bait on the second part of your latest statement as I'm sure you will run to a mod again.(which is your right im sure).

    Here is the sequence of posts. This is all that Ladjacket said about being from Donegal:
    Ladjacket wrote: »
    Finally, I find the attitude of a lot of people south of the border towards those who live in Ulster nothing short of disgusting. On numerous times in the past, I have been asked am I British because I am from Donegal!

    He has not stated that he tells people he's from Donegal at this point, just that he's been asked if he's British. The obvious question is whether people might think he's from NI due to his accent. I post:
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'm not sure if it's really that disgusting to ask someone with a Northern accent* if they are British - most people in NI are British in identity. Disgusting? :confused:

    *not everyone will recognise a Donegal accent

    He then clarifies that this is after he tells them he's from Donegal:
    Ladjacket wrote: »
    Monty - I have been asked this once I have stated I am from Donegal! The ignorance of some people has to be seen/heard to be believed!

    And then you quote my last post and write:
    cardwizzard wrote: »
    Narrow and closed minded at the very least. Stupid at the worst.

    Now I'll ask you again - what exactly are you referring to in my post that is 'narrow and closed minded at the very best' and 'stupid at the worst'? :confused:

    By the way, you'll get no trouble from the mods if you abide by the forum rules.


  • #141
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    I have been asked am I british because I am from Donegal.

    What more do you need him to say to prove that he is from there, do you want a passport or birth cert!! Maybe you cant or wont see what he is saying. Hope this isn't too personal on you.


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  • #142
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    cardwizzard wrote: »
    I have been asked am I british because I am from Donegal.

    What more do you need him to say to prove that he is from there, do you want a passport or birth cert!! Maybe you cant or wont see what he is saying. Hope this isn't too personal on you.

    Have you somehow construed my posts to be suggesting that I don't believe him? :confused:

    Wow - that's almost unbelievable...where did you ever get that notion from this post? :eek:

    Here's the text again - please explain where you get the idea that I am questioning whether he's really from Donegal or not:

    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'm not sure if it's really that disgusting to ask someone with a Northern accent* if they are British - most people in NI are British in identity. Disgusting? :confused:

    *not everyone will recognise a Donegal accent


  • #143
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Have you somehow construed my posts to be suggesting that I don't believe him? :confused:

    Wow - that's almost unbelievable...where did you ever get that notion from this post? :eek:

    Here's the text again - please explain where you get the idea that I am questioning whether he's really from Donegal or not:


    No and no. So that answers your third part.


  • #144
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    cardwizzard wrote: »
    No and no. So that answers your third part.

    This is getting really weird. So now you are saying that you did not totally misunderstand my post. Then why did you say this:
    cardwizzard wrote: »
    I have been asked am I british because I am from Donegal.

    What more do you need him to say to prove that he is from there, do you want a passport or birth cert!! Maybe you cant or wont see what he is saying. Hope this isn't too personal on you.

    ...when I asked you what was 'narrow and closed minded at very best' and 'stupid at worst' about my post?

    Can you please clarify why you said this, and then you can go on to clarify what was narrow minded etc. as well.

    Just as a side note, can anyone else understand what the hell he's saying? :confused: Is it me?


  • #145
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    Saying this is another McGuinness thread and he is a peacemaker, will we agree to disagree?

    Looking at it I think you picked him up one way and I did another. Thats my way of saying you are wrong;).


    He stated he has been asked is he British because he is from Donegal. As simple as that.

    This is where the pedantic or ignorant came into it.


    In your own way you turned it around and made it into a British thing by way of accent, which was and is nothing to do with it. Plus I actually think he was having a dig at you when you asked him to clarify.


  • #146
    beeno67
    Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭beeno67


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    .

    Just as a side note, can anyone else understand what the hell he's saying? :confused: Is it me?

    he used the phrase narrow and closed minded in regards the person who thought the poster could be British being from Donegal. It wasn't directed at you.

    Now, why someone who thinks a person from Donegal could be British is narrow and closed minded is beyond me. Basically, he made a silly comment and won't back down.

    Obviously there are hundreds (if not thousands) of people in Donegal who are British, but that is a totally different argument.


  • #147
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    cardwizzard wrote: »
    He stated he has been asked is he British because he is from Donegal. As simple as that.

    This is where the pedantic or ignorant came into it.
    But it's not really all that ignorant if someone doesn't know the difference between a say a Donegal accent and a Tyrone accent, is it? A lot of people would have little exposure to either. And to call it 'narrow and closed-minded at the very best' and 'stupid at worst' seems to be a very harsh reaction to those who couldn't nail down the differences in accent every time.
    cardwizzard wrote: »
    In your own way you turned it around and made it into a British thing by way of accent, which was and is nothing to do with it. Plus I actually think he was having a dig at you when you asked him to clarify.
    I didn't turn anything in any direction. I just wondered if they might have mistaken him for someone from NI due to being unfamiliar with the small differences in accent. And I don't think that he was having a dig at all - it was a perfectly polite response to a reasonable point.


  • #148
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    What was stated was nothing to do with accents from Donegal, Tyrone, Derry or Timbutu. You turned it that way, believe it or not Mr Ripley.


  • #149
    The Minstrel
    Registered Users Posts: 386 ✭✭The Minstrel


    Unfortunately this thread has been allowed to veer completely off topic due to the lack of good moderating.
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Indeed, NI isn't in Britain, but the fact remains that most of them consider themselves British, as is their right under the GFA.
    This brings us back to that head of state thing. The GFA as you know also respects the right of those who don't consider themselves British, don't forget about that significant demographic in NI. Just because most of them consider themselves British, you needn't trample on the minority who don't - a minority that essentially was created due to the arbitrary nature of the border. I imagine if McG's wish for a United Ireland came about, the unionist vote would be a massively powerful lobby group. Something along the lines of how Conor Cruise O'Brien saw a United Ireland.


  • #150
    The Minstrel
    Registered Users Posts: 386 ✭✭The Minstrel


    I started a thread (which was locked) about comments made by leading BBC journalist Jeremy Paxman relating to McGuinness. I think it's important to include the piece here. It helps give context to the nature of the anti-mcguinness campaign being waged by the Indo. Interesting interview with Paxman which touches on the McGuinness candidacy (highlighted in bold). Paxman is surprised at the furore over McGuinness.

    I urge you to read the whole lot, but I'll just paste the bits that refer to Martin McGuinness. Here's the link

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...305625510.html

    Like other British figures, Paxman is surprised to hear that Martin McGuinness’s presidential campaign is attracting such vehement opposition in some quarters in the Republic: “It is clearly better that people are not killing each other.” But is it not more significant than that? “Well, every event in history is to some degree sui generis, isn’t it? I don’t find it surprising that someone who once fought physically against an imperial power is now a politician.
    “It has happened all over the place, so I don’t find it that astonishing, but it is interesting . . . As I say, it is better that people are not being killed. Given the history of Ireland and the history of Irish politics I think I can understand where [McGuinness’s opponents] are coming from.
    “I find it to be a very strange position of having to defend Martin McGuinness. He can defend himself, but his whole life’s campaign has been to establish, or re-establish, as he would see it, a political integrity which ignores the Border.”


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  • #151
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    Me again! Apologies if my posts have meant that this has gone off topic slightly. My intention was not to cause some controversy, but merely to illustrate how some people 'south of the border' tend to view Ulster in its entirety as a 9 county United Kingdom colony almost.

    That is the most galling part.

    I would suggest that we all get back on topic here - Martin McGuinness has been shamefully treated in this election campaign in MY view - and the attitude that I pick up on is that he would be best suited to suck it up and accept it because he used to be a murderer - which in, again, MY view, is wrong.


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