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    #32
    Gumbi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    maccored wrote: »
    What I'm saying is very. very simple.

    If you have any questions about the paranormal, presently (imo), the only way to get them answered is to go look. There is no proof, and probably wont be for years to come.

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, at the same time, so as a skeptic, I would hedge bets that in some time in the future some of things we currently regard as paranormal will be explained in one way or another.

    Only if people look though. Not if they demand someone supplies them with an answer.

    You don't get the point, though. Absence of evidence is solid ground not to believe in something, at least for any rational person. I simply cannot understand how one can propagate such a belief, expect believe to believe them, and say "there's no proof, thugh" in the same sentence.


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    #33
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Im sorry - i honestly dont think you get it. Its very simple (as Ive said). Dont ask people for proof when there isnt any (as yet).

    If you believe in science, then you understand you will never prove anything without researching it. cynics seem to be expecting results but ridiculing anyone who tries to research the whole thing. thats a tad bit silly if you ask me.

    If you dont believe in science then I suppose you could say 'theres no proof so I dont believe you'. I say fair enough. I dont have any interest (at all) in changing your mind.

    Go look if you're interested, dont bother if you arent. Just quit expecting people to run around proving things to you.
    I simply cannot understand how one can propagate such a belief, expect believe to believe them, and say "there's no proof, thugh" in the same sentence.

    Now if thats in reference to me, explain where I have EVER asked anyone to believe me? Dont you get the point that no-one cares if you believe them or not?


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    #34
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    I think the biggest problem with the mis-labelled 'skeptics' on this forum, is they somehow believe those who have had paranormal experiences actually want to make the 'skeptics' believe them.

    Really .... thats a bit childish.


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    #35
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    feel free by the way, to tell us what, in your opinion, would be proof of something paranormal? (EDIT - I see I already asked you that but you never bothered explaining. I suppose you wont give me an answer this time either)

    Then tell me how you would find out this info or if you expect someone to go research it and then tell you all about it.
    Then tell me why in Gods name anyone would want to do that.



    Gumbi wrote: »
    You don't get the point, though. Absence of evidence is solid ground not to believe in something, at least for any rational person. I simply cannot understand how one can propagate such a belief, expect believe to believe them, and say "there's no proof, thugh" in the same sentence.


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    #36
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Gumbi wrote: »
    Absence of evidence is solid ground not to believe in something, at least for any rational person.

    Imagine if everyone thought like that .... we'd never discover anything.


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    #37
    Gumbi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    maccored wrote: »
    Imagine if everyone thought like that .... we'd never discover anything.

    We're talking about challenging claims here, you continue to allude to something different. Einstein wouldn't have believed/disbelieved in faster than light travel before his theory of relativity.


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    #38
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    just admit you cant back up your demands for 'proof', as you have no interest in finding any yourself. It'll save you having to answer all those pesky questions Ive already asked - all of which you have ignored. If Einstein thought like the way you are recommending - ie no proof, no questions and lets not bother looking - then he wouldnt have amounted to much and probably wouldnt have discovered the things he did.


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    #39
    lisatiffany
    Registered Users Posts: 536 ✭✭✭lisatiffany


    I'm new to the boards but far from new to the subject of the paranormal (over 10yrs experience) but from going back over the boards and i mean way back i have seen quite a lot of disruptions from playfully cheeky to completely belittling someone because of their beliefs. i do think a healthy dose of skepticism is needed when assessing the evidence but calling someone names over it or implying they have mental issues is ridiculous and its testament to how good the boards are run that a moderator jumped in each time and issued warnings or even bans. the whole "show me proof" thing is a double edged sword i think. if someone posts about an anomaly in a photo then they can easily post the photo here and that can count as "proof" but if someone has a genuine experience of a spirit and it only lasted a few seconds getting that proof is next to impossible.

    You can discount it as a lack of sleep/types of medication or drink etc but to them getting the proof just isn't possible. its been great flicking back through the last 50 or so pages and skimming through different postings but skepticism is one thing and ignorance is something else. i find if someone confides in me about a haunting or experience they had a hard time coming to terms with what what happened. its not easy to go online and post it regardless of the anonymity so there should be a level of respect given that can balance with a persons preconceived skepticism. if not then its a lot more than a disruption and would certainly put a lot of people off posting about their own experiences which is the last thing a board needs. :)


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    #40
    MrMojoRisin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    lisatiffany wrote: »
    I'm new to the boards but far from new to the subject of the paranormal (over 10yrs experience) but from going back over the boards and i mean way back i have seen quite a lot of disruptions from playfully cheeky to completely belittling someone because of their beliefs.

    Yeah, I've observed exactly the same thing. I remember the first time I ever saw this forum and, before going into the threads (upon seeing the thread titles), I was genuinely surprised to see people basically being attacked for either reporting some strange experience they had, or for expressing their belief in something. I expected the forum to be more tolerant and welcoming than that, so I was a bit taken aback, as well as being surprised that little vetting of the discordant posters seemed to be in operation.
    lisatiffany wrote: »
    [...] but if someone has a genuine experience of a spirit and it only lasted a few seconds getting that proof is next to impossible.

    That's very true. In most instances, you're going about your normal business - say, walking from A to B, or putting out rubbish - so you're hardly going to have a camcorder or camera on you in case you think you might see a ghost. Then, when you do see or experience something, you tend to be stood frozen to the spot (or, at least, in my own case anyway) trying to figure out WTF you're looking at and where it came from. You don't think in that seconds-long window of time, "Oh, I better go fetch my camera to capture this!"


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    #41
    Yeah Yeah Yeah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 405 ✭✭Yeah Yeah Yeah


    Seems to me that some members see the need to declare their scepticism on each thread, often accompanied by somewhat unnecessary derogatory comment.

    Gets a bit repetitive and offers nothing to the conversation.


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    #42
    Gumbi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    maccored wrote: »
    just admit you cant back up your demands for 'proof', as you have no interest in finding any yourself. It'll save you having to answer all those pesky questions Ive already asked - all of which you have ignored. If Einstein thought like the way you are recommending - ie no proof, no questions and lets not bother looking - then he wouldnt have amounted to much and probably wouldnt have discovered the things he did.

    I'm not a scientist. If I were, I may take an interest in your claims, and I may investigate. But I'm not. You're making claims and I am merely responding with "That's strange, I've neither seen nor heard of anything like that before. Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?"


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    #43
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    I ask one final time - what would be acceptable as 'evidence'? Wish someone would tell me that rather than waffling on about needing 'evidence'.

    Plus what claims am I making? Are you going to ignore that question too?
    Gumbi wrote: »
    maccored wrote: »
    just admit you cant back up your demands for 'proof', as you have no interest in finding any yourself. It'll save you having to answer all those pesky questions Ive already asked - all of which you have ignored. If Einstein thought like the way you are recommending - ie no proof, no questions and lets not bother looking - then he wouldnt have amounted to much and probably wouldnt have discovered the things he did.

    I'm not a scientist. If I were, I may take an interest in your claims, and I may investigate. But I'm not. You're making claims and I am merely responding with "That's strange, I've neither seen nor heard of anything like that before. Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?"


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    #44
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    as a sensitive myself i often get ridicule from others,but it no longer bothers me,i cannot show proof of my sightings even when others are with me at the time, but out there are thousands of others like me,as everyone is a sensitive at one level or another.


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    #45
    Gumbi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    maccored wrote: »
    I ask one final time - what would be acceptable as 'evidence'? Wish someone would tell me that rather than waffling on about needing 'evidence'.

    Plus what claims am I making? Are you going to ignore that question too?

    The proverbial you. Not you specifically, I'm talking about general paranormal claims.


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    #46
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    OK - even though you're trying to say that you werent saying what you were saying but instead saying something else using words that completely didnt point that out - i'll move on.

    Now, how about answering the first part of the post?
    Gumbi wrote: »
    The proverbial you. Not you specifically, I'm talking about general paranormal claims.


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    #47
    cup of tea
    Registered Users Posts: 749 ✭✭✭cup of tea


    It's all in your head


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    #48
    SteelyDanJalapeno
    Registered Users Posts: 14,237 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    Why is the Paranormal forum in "Recreational"? and not like in "Science" or some forum?

    oh wait.......


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    #49
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Words of extreme wisdom. :rolleyes:
    cup of tea wrote: »
    It's all in your head


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    #50
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Whoever said the paranormal was scientific?

    Why do you think it would ever be in '"Science" or some forum?' (I suppose I'll add that to the growing list of other unanswered questions for cynics already in this thread)
    TiltedBrain wrote: »
    Why is the Paranormal forum in "Recreational"? and not like in "Science" or some forum?

    oh wait.......


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    #51
    Oryx
    Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    @cupoftea & TiltedBrain. Please dont derail this thread with smart ass derogatory comments.


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    #52
    Yeah Yeah Yeah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 405 ✭✭Yeah Yeah Yeah


    Oryx wrote: »
    @cupoftea & TiltedBrain. Please dont derail this thread with smart ass derogatory comments.

    I thought this thread was derailed long time past.


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    #53
    mintoffdom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭mintoffdom


    I have a wierd recurring dream. Is that paranormal? It invloves turning up at the Leaving Cert to find a different subject than the one I expected.

    I'm always expecting English and it's always Physics.


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    #54
    mintoffdom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭mintoffdom


    My apologies. I had not noticed this thread had expired. :(


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    #55
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    i would say the chances are absolutely, minutely tiny. Theres just so much we dont understand how how the mind works its way through dreams that there could be zillions of perfectly normal explanations for the reoccurring ones which we just arent aware of as yet.


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    #56
    Its Behind You!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 333 ✭✭Its Behind You!


    Reading through this and other threads, it seems that some boards.ie members hang around to do little else other than to take issue with posts, and seem to relish protracted keyboard confrontation. Not nice.


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    #57
    Gumbi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    Its Behind You! wrote: »
    Reading through this and other threads, it seems that some boards.ie members hang around to do little else other than to take issue with posts, and seem to relish protracted keyboard confrontation. Not nice.
    While that may be true, I don't believe it is so in this case, rather the posters here take offence at disagreement.


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    #58
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    id say posters take offence at the assumption that they are thick/stupid/gullible/mad etc etc moreso than anything else.


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    #59
    fro9etb8j5qsl2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭fro9etb8j5qsl2


    I find it strange that people's weird experiences are better received in the 'mysteries of the unexplained' forum than they are in the paranormal forum. You could post the same story in both forums and get constructive opinions in one and a load of abuse in the other :rolleyes: It seems there are boardsie trolls constantly lurking in the shadows of the paranormal forum.... Pity really :(


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    #60
    Gumbi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Gumbi


    Leonard Tiny Helmet wrote: »
    I find it strange that people's weird experiences are better received in the 'mysteries of the unexplained' forum than they are in the paranormal forum. You could post the same story in both forums and get constructive opinions in one and a load of abuse in the other :rolleyes: It seems there are boardsie trolls constantly lurking in the shadows of the paranormal forum.... Pity really :(
    There's a key difference, though. In the other forum, one is positing a mysterious experience and having no clue as to what exactly happened. Here, the posts are along the vein of "something happened, ghosts are real". Fundamentally different viewpoints.


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    #61
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    you obviously are reading a different forum than the rest of us. what usually happens is someone posts usually some kind of experience and then cynics arrive demanding the OP proves 'ghosts are real'.


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