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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • #4592
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    drkpower wrote: »
    I worked hard while many couldnt be arsed. Why should I pay more income tax then them?

    You are debt free. Those who can be, should pay, right?. That sounds fair.

    Those who couldn't be arsed can kill themselves for all I care, and I don't care if you do pay more income tax or not (flat-rate advocate here, lesser of three evils).

    So, your "logic" is that people who can afford to pay other people's debt for them, should?

    That's your argument?

    And you're not a troll?


  • #4593
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    drkpower wrote: »
    Sell your house.

    Who the fcuk in this country can actually sell their house at the min?

    Actually, I prob could if I was willing to accept 60% less than what I paid for it (as my home, not investment) five years ago.
    Do you really expect me to take 60% less, but still have a mortgage around my neck for the next twenty years? Get real.....

    Had the property crash in this country escaped your attention or what?


  • #4594
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,428 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    drkpower wrote: »
    I dont consider the amount of income tax I pay to be fair. Should I be entitled not to pay it? Simple?

    That's entirely up to you. I'm happy enough with mine. If you want to know more about avoiding it you can contact this guy
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fitzgerald-lashes-lowry-over-tax-evasion-2263957.html


  • #4595
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    grindle wrote: »
    Those who couldn't be arsed can kill themselves for all I care, and I don't care if you do pay more income tax or not (flat-rate advocate here, lesser of three evils).
    You don't care if I pay income tax? Are you saying I should not have to?
    grindle wrote: »
    So, your "logic" is that people who can afford to pay other people's debt for them, should?
    Nope; thats not my argument. My argument is that you havent distinguished property tax/household charge from other forms of taxation.


  • #4596
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I really believe some of these lads are getting paid for trying to convince people to pay this unjust tax.

    I get paid a few euro for each post, goes straight into the coffers of FG :rolleyes:
    Mr CJ wrote: »
    No your wrong there more like well fairplay to them their standing up for whats right at least there not mindless twits obeying there masters every order

    So you do not recognise the beacon of democracy, the Dail?


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  • #4597
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    drkpower wrote: »
    Sell your house.

    Guys and girls can you see now why this guy should be ignored??

    Dont waste your time


  • #4598
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That's entirely up to you. I'm happy enough with mine.

    Do you think i should not be legislatively obligated to pay my income tax if I believe it is unfair?


  • #4599
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Who the fcuk in this country can actually sell their house at the min?

    Actually, I prob could if I was willing to accept 60% less than what I paid for it (as my home, not investment) five years ago.

    Had the property cash in this country escaped your attention or what?

    You attempted to distinguish a property tax from a car tax by pointing to the fact that you could 'sell your car'. That is not sufficient as you can also 'sell your house.

    Try again.


  • #4600
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That lad has a career in the entertainment industry ahead of him
    I am enjoying this thread though. Good craic. I really believe some of these lads are getting paid for trying to convince people to pay this unjust tax. They should give the money back as the gap is widening everyday..

    Reckon they're civil 'servants' that worked on setting it up and don't want to end up with egg on their faces when it goes tits up.
    Is there any way to check their IP addresses?


  • #4601
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    You would want to be seriously f**ked in the head to want to have 2 usernames on boards.ie to argue the same point, especially on this subject.
    That would be bordering on insanity.

    Haha I realised the power names were similar and was wondering was it the same person myself but didnt realise the bishop also.

    But anyone who fights up for the household charge must be insane so it seems logical to me ha

    Guys before you think of a 3rd name try be a bit more original


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  • #4602
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,447 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Who the fcuk in this country can actually sell their house at the min?

    Actually, I prob could if I was willing to accept 60% less than what I paid for it (as my home, not investment) five years ago.
    Do you really expect me to take 60% less, but still have a mortgage around my neck for the next twenty years? Get real.....

    Had the property crash in this country escaped your attention or what?

    You don't have to sell your house to escape the charge this year. As I recall you said you live in an exempted estate.


  • #4603
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,428 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    drkpower wrote: »
    Do you think i should not be legislatively obligated to pay my income tax if I believe it is unfair?

    If you believe that a law is unjust then have the balls to oppose it.


  • #4604
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    tayto lover wrote: »
    If you believe that a law is unjust then have the balls to oppose it.

    Do you think i should not be legislatively obligated to pay my income tax if I believe it is unfair?


  • #4605
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Guys and girls can you see now why this guy should be ignored??

    Dont waste your time

    Three of them here now. Must be overtime:D


  • #4606
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,428 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    gurramok wrote: »
    I get paid a few euro for each post, goes straight into the coffers of FG :rolleyes:


    You probably need to be re-programmed.


  • #4607
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    drkpower wrote: »
    You attempted to distinguish a property tax from a car tax by pointing to the fact that you could 'sell your car'. That is not sufficient as you can also 'sell give your house away for sixty percent less than you bought it for.

    Try again.

    Fyp.....

    Its strange, the more I look on it......

    Registered same month/year as your similary named counterpart.


  • #4608
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Why do the anti brigade care if I or anyone else pays this charge?


  • #4609
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Three of them here now. Must be overtime:D

    yes with one of them still discussing income tax this is so funny!!

    These guys are defo fg or mates of them


  • #4610
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,428 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    drkpower wrote: »
    Do you think i should not be legislatively obligated to pay my income tax if I believe it is unfair?

    Get on to Lowry for advice. Mine is taken at source. Very little you can do about that but you can do a lot about the Household Tax.


  • #4611
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You don't have to sell your house to escape the charge this year. As I recall you said you live in an exempted estate.

    I've stated numerous times that i'm not liable for the charge (this year at least) but equally stated that I'd campaign tirelessly to do ask I can in getting it abolished as its unjust and unfair.



    Btw.....


    I'm still awaiting your response to my previous questions.....

    Can we just assume that as you fail to even acknowledge them, that you've admitted to be caught out in lying, and spreading propaganda? :rolleyes:


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  • #4612
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You probably need to be re-programmed.

    I was at the vending machine today and spotted packets of Tayto and King side by side. Guess which packet I bought? :D :pac:


  • #4613
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    drkpower wrote: »
    You don't care if I pay income tax? Are you saying I should not have to?
    Firstly, your comprehension is diabolical.
    I said "I don't care if you do pay more income tax or not", not "I don't care if you pay tax at all."
    In an ideal world, you'd feel you should, unless you're lying, thieving scum.
    Secondly:
    drkpower wrote: »
    Nope; thats not my argument. My argument is that you havent distinguished property tax/household charge from other forms of taxation.
    The property/household tax isn't FOR anything. It's not being USED for anything I could possibly get any use out of, and if it I was dumb enough to get myself into a massive debt and find myself owing large quantities of cash to a bank that needed to be bailed out by my government, thus costing innocent people their hard-earned cash, I'd feel like a leeching, worthless cum-sac.

    This is just "Give us your money."

    The definition of stealing.


  • #4614
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Why do the anti brigade care if I or anyone else pays this charge?

    Donal we dont give a flying fck if you pay it. Go for it get into line and bend down, do what your told!! good lad


  • #4615
    Beubeu
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Beubeu


    Ghandee wrote: »
    What kind of a question is this?
    Because I, we, (my wife and child) needed somewhere to live for Christs sake!
    We didn't buy hoping to make money on the house, we didn't buy it as a second home.
    We simply got married and bought a family home together, we couldn't foresee the crap that was coming down the line not even a year later!

    The attitude from a few folk here seems to be 'you bought a house so deserve to suffer'.

    Where were we supposed to live?

    I've lived within my means, even at the height of the boom, I always drove a second hand car, didn't go on holidays that often (and by this I mean not even once a year) so pardon me for trying to provide a house and home for my family, I surely deserve to suffer for doing that.

    Dont get me wrong there, as i am not here to judge you or anyone else but you dont have to buy to live somewhere.
    Rent is acceptable too (actually renting a property makes way more economical sense than buying nowadays, even during the celtic tiger).

    Banks are probably robbers but we signed their papers and were delighted to get mortgage that we knew we wont be able to pay.

    Its sad that people with kids have to suffer but I dont think that property taxes is the core of our problems right now.


  • #4616
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,428 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    gurramok wrote: »
    I was at the vending machine today and spotted packets of Tayto and King side by side. Guess which packet I bought? :D :pac:

    I thought all the vending machines in the Dail were free.


  • #4617
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    Why do the anti brigade care if I or anyone else pays this charge?

    Donal we dont give a flying fck if you pay it. Go for it get into line and bend down, do what your told!! good lad

    You obviously care if you give an answer like that. Basically you don't know then?


  • #4618
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    gurramok wrote: »
    I was at the vending machine today at school, and spotted packets of Tayto and King side by side. Guess which packet I bought? :D :pac:

    Fyp......

    Grow up.


  • #4619
    golfwallah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭golfwallah


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I consider this Law to be unjust. Here's a quote from a man who gave his life to oppose unjust laws.

    One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.
    Martin Luther King, Jr.
    The other part of your post deserves to be ignored.

    Martin Luther King opposed racial discrimination - not payment of taxes.

    Get a grip!


  • #4620
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    donalg1 wrote: »
    You obviously care if you give an answer like that. Basically you don't know then?

    Your an exception so dont really care less if you pay it, but on the other hand people are shooting themselves in the foot when they register and the more people register the more pressure it puts on the campaign this is why we do not want people registering, you know this already so dont know why your asking


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  • #4621
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Donal we dont give a flying fck if you pay it. Go for it get into line and bend down, do what your told!! good lad

    I think drkpower is a retired doctor judging from some of his other posts, possibly a consultant.
    If this is the case sure a few hundred or even a few thousand in a household tax would be no problem to him.
    Sure they are some of the most cosseted and overpaid people in the country and if he's retired sure his pension is probably 2 or 3 times the average industrial wage anyway.
    Maybe he could confirm / deny this....


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