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FEMA camps and Swine Flu coffins are ready for US state of Emergency and martial law

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I am aware that the prervious reference relates to fillings, mercury fillings, and as thiomersal is a mercery based preservative, I thought it was worth mentioning dangers that the FDA believe are associated with mercury.

    Any issue of contaminated vaccines is worth mentioning, as wazs Baxters.


    Would you regard these doctors as practitioners of pseudoscience.
    http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web3.html

    DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CONDEMN VACCINATION

    "There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children does more harm than good."
    Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US Food
    and Drug Administration

    "The greatest threat of childhood disease lies in the dangerous and
    ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunisation."
    Dr R. Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Paediatrics (How To Raise A Healthy Child In Spite Of Your Doctor)

    "In our opinion, there is now sufficient evidence of immune malfunction following current vaccination programmes to anticipate growing public demands for research investigation into alternative methods of prevention of infectious disease."
    Dr's H. Buttram and J. Hoffman (Vaccinations and Immune Malfunctions)

    "All vaccination has the effect of directing the three values of the blood
    into or toward the zone characteristics of cancer and leukemia...Vaccines DO predispose to cancer and leukaemia."
    Professor L.C. Vincent, Founder of Bioelectronics

    "Every vaccine carries certain hazards and can produce inward reactions in some people...in general, there are more vaccine complications than is generally appreciated."
    Professor George Dick, London University

    "Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection."
    Dr A. Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine (lecture to Italian doctors in Piacenza, Italy, Decemebr 7th 1985)

    "In addition to the many obvious cases of mortality from these practises,
    there are also long-term hazards which are almost impossible to estimate
    accurately...the inherent danger of of all vaccine procedures should be a
    deterrent to their unnecessary or unjustifiable use."
    Sir Graham Wilson (The Hazards of Immunisation)

    "Laying aside the very real possibility that the various vaccines are
    contaminated with animal viruses and may cause serious illness later in life (multiple sclerosis, cancer, leukaemia, etc) we must consider whether the vaccines really work for their intended purpose."
    Dr W.C. Douglas (Cutting Edge, May 1990)

    "The only wholly safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used"
    Dr James A. Shannon, National Institute of Health, USA

    With reference to Smallpox;

    "Vaccination is a monstrosity, a misbegotten offspring of error and
    ignorance, it should have no place in either hygiene or medicine...Believe not in vaccination, it is a world-wide delusion, an unscientific practise, a fatal superstition with consequences measured today by tears and sorrow without end."
    Professor Chas Rauta, University of Perguia, Italy , (New York Medical Journal July 1899)

    "Vaccination does not protect, it actually renders its subjects more
    susceptible by depressing vital power and diminishing natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated."
    Dr J.W. Hodge (The Vaccination Superstition)

    "It is nonsense to think that you can inject pus - and it is usually from the pustule end of the dead smallpox victim … it is unthinkable that you can inject that into a little child and in any way improve its health. What is true of vaccination is exactly as true of all forms of serum immunisation, if we could by any means build up a natural resistance to disease through these artificial means, I would applaud it to the echo, but we can't do it."
    Dr William Howard Hay (lecture to Medical Freedom Society, June 25th 1937)


    "Immunisation against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself."
    Professor Ari Zuckerman, World Health Organisation

    With reference to Whooping Cough;

    "There is no doubt in my mind that in the UK alone some hundreds, if not thousands of well infants have suffered irreparable brain damage needlessly and that their lives and those of their parents have been wrecked in consequence."
    Professor Gordon Stewart, University of Glasgow (Here's Health, March 1980)

    "My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the
    nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the US each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given to children. The pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine is the most likely villain , but it could also be one or more of the others."
    Dr R Mendelsohn, Author and Professor of Paediatrics (How To Raise A Healthy Child In Spite Of Your Doctor)

    "The worst vaccine of all is the whooping cough vaccine...it is responsible for a lot of deaths and for a lot of infants suffering irreversible brain damage.."
    Dr Archie Kalokerinos, Author and Vaccine Researcher (Natural Health Convention, Stanwell Tops, NSW, Australia 1987)

    With reference to Polio;

    "Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin polio vaccine, being made of monkey kidney tissue has been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country."
    Dr F. Klenner, Polio Researcher, USA

    "No batch of vaccine can be proved to be safe before it is given to
    children"
    Surgeon General Leonard Scheele (AMA Convention 1955, USA)

    "Live virus vaccines against influenza and paralytic polio, for example, may in each instance cause the disease it is intended to prevent..."
    Dr Jonas Salk, developer of first polio vaccine (Science 4/4/77 Abstracts)

    As there are so many conflicting views relative to vaccination, we could both go on ad finitum posting pro,s and cons of vaccinations. I have made an informed decision based on information available to me, as you have . So at this point, I think we should both agree to disagree......

    kadman


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    kadman wrote: »
    I am aware that the prervious reference relates to fillings, mercury fillings, and as thiomersal is a mercery based preservative, I thought it was worth mentioning dangers that the FDA believe are associated with mercury.
    Mercury based yes but that is exactly the same as claiming salt is dangerous because it is sodium based.
    The compound in Thiomersal is ethylmercury.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury.
    To say that this is the same as pure mercury is either ignorant or dishonest.

    kadman wrote: »
    Any issue of contaminated vaccines is worth mentioning, as wazs Baxters.
    A contamination is not the same as the vaccine being inherently dangerous.
    It would be like saying all chicken is dangerous because of the risk of food poisoning.

    There are systems in place to detect, reduce and prevent such instances of contamination.
    kadman wrote: »
    Would you regard these doctors as practitioners of pseudoscience.
    Yes.
    Except the horribly out of date quotes of course.
    Doctors aren't infallible and are subject to the same biases and faulty logic everyone else is.
    I could provide you a bigger list of doctors actively promoting vaccination.
    But quotes from doctors don't matter. What matters is the scientific evidence which doesn't support your position.
    kadman wrote: »
    As there are so many conflicting views relative to vaccination, we could both go on ad finitum posting pro,s and cons of vaccinations. I have made an informed decision based on information available to me, as you have . So at this point, I think we should both agree to disagree......

    kadman
    And based on your posts I can guess that the cons you believe in aren't supported by any good science.

    The fact that you erroneously believe that thiomersal contains mercury should really show your opinion mightn't be as informed as you think it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 feoil


    This whole swine flu (H1 N1) pandemic has been overblown by the news media (especially in the USA) to improve their ratings and attract advertiser money. Furthermore, there's not a conspiracy theory worth mentioning beyond that typical of the news media acting as a business serving their profit-making interests.

    Let's just look at the USA (for example) where there is so much daily swine flu news media hysteria and put the swine flu into perspective.

    How many people have actually died as a result of swine flu related illness out of the 300 million people in the USA? As of 4 May 2009 there have been 286 confirmed cases of H1 N1 flu, but only one death according to the Centers for Disease Control.
    Source: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/

    In comparison to this, how many US Americans die of the various types of (non-swine) flu on the average per year? The CDC reports an average of 36,000 deaths.
    Source: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

    Shouldn't the news media flu hysteria be focused upon the 36,000 per year that die in the USA, rather than the one swine flu victim? Does anyone see the tragic-comedy in this, or what we call the craic?

    Oh I can see the critics of this post pointing to the number of tragic deaths in Ciudad de México. Well it is tragic! But has anyone bothered to check on how many people typically die of disease in Ciudad de México per year to see if this exceeds the norm, especially for the poor that lack adequate sanitation, medical care, or a healthy diet?

    A little perspective!!, even saars only killed a few thousand, it's not like it's the black death. Anyways, look on the bright side, plague brings inheritance LMAO


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    King Mob wrote: »
    Mercury based yes but that is exactly the same as claiming salt is dangerous because it is sodium based.
    The compound in Thiomersal is ethylmercury.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury.
    To say that this is the same as pure mercury is either ignorant or dishonest.

    The FDA seem to believe that thimerosal contains mercury, even if you dont.

    http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#tox
    Thimerosal, which is approximately 50% mercury by weight, has been one of the most widely used preservatives in vaccines.

    As you correctly pointed out, the compund in thimerosal is ethymercury. But lacking definitive data on ethyl versus methyl, the FDA considers both equal in risk assessment.

    http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#tox
    The various mercury guidelines are based on epidemiological and laboratory studies of methyl mercury, whereas thimerosal is a derivative of ethyl mercury. Because they are different chemical entities - ethyl- versus methylmercury - different toxicological profiles are expected. There is, therefore, an uncertainty that arises in applying the methylmercury-based guidelines to thimerosal. Lacking definitive data on the comparative toxicities of ethyl- versus methylmercury, FDA considered ethyl- and methyl-mercury as equivalent in its risk evaluation. There are some data and studies bearing directly on thimerosal toxicity and these are summarized in this Section.

    A contamination is not the same as the vaccine being inherently dangerous.
    It would be like saying all chicken is dangerous because of the risk of food poisoning.

    There are systems in place to detect, reduce and prevent such instances of contamination.

    True, but they have failed on occasions.

    The fact that you erroneously believe that thiomersal contains mercury should really show your opinion mightn't be as informed as you think it is.[/
    QUOTE]

    That fact that you believe it doesn,t, and the FDA believes it does, shows you are not as informed as you believe either.

    kadman


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    kadman wrote: »

    The FDA seem to believe that thimerosal contains mercury, even if you dont.
    Yes, the mercury is part of a compound. It is not the same as pure mercury
    It is exactly like saying salt is as dangerous as pure sodium.
    kadman wrote: »
    http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#tox
    Thimerosal, which is approximately 50% mercury by weight, has been one of the most widely used preservatives in vaccines.
    And salt, which is approximately 50% sodium by weight has been one of the most widely used preservatives in food. Gasp!
    kadman wrote: »
    As you correctly pointed out, the compund in thimerosal is ethymercury. But lacking definitive data on ethyl versus methyl, the FDA considers both equal in risk assessment.

    http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#tox
    The various mercury guidelines are based on epidemiological and laboratory studies of methyl mercury, whereas thimerosal is a derivative of ethyl mercury. Because they are different chemical entities - ethyl- versus methylmercury - different toxicological profiles are expected. There is, therefore, an uncertainty that arises in applying the methylmercury-based guidelines to thimerosal. Lacking definitive data on the comparative toxicities of ethyl- versus methylmercury, FDA considered ethyl- and methyl-mercury as equivalent in its risk evaluation. There are some data and studies bearing directly on thimerosal toxicity and these are summarized in this Section.
    And if you had actually read that instead of cheery picking you'd see that The passage you quoted means the FDA considers the acceptable level of ethylmercury in a substance to the same as methylmercury.
    Which is well above the level of ethylmercury present in thimerosal
    kadman wrote: »
    True, but they have failed on occasions.
    And so did the pork industry here recently, therefore all pork product should be banned immediately right?


    kadman wrote: »
    That fact that you believe it doesn,t, and the FDA believes it does, shows you are not as informed as you believe either.

    kadman
    Thimersal contains ethylmercury which is not the same as pure mercury.

    And again if you had actually read the report you'd find this passage.
    FDA has been actively addressing the issue of thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines. Under the FDA Modernization Act (FDAMA) of 1997, the FDA conducted a comprehensive review of the use of thimerosal in childhood vaccines. Conducted in 1999, this review found no evidence of harm from the use of thimerosal as a vaccine preservative, other than local hypersensitivity reactions (Ball et al. 2001).

    And it goes on to say:
    At the time of this review in 1999, the maximum cumulative exposure to mercury from vaccines in the recommended childhood immunization schedule was within acceptable limits for the methylmercury exposure guidelines set by FDA, ATSDR, and WHO.

    So lets review the evidence you have provided to show that vaccines are harmful.
    A warning about amalgam fillings.
    Some scary sounding titles of some papers.
    A poor understanding of chemistry.
    Quote from doctors that have no support or are completely outdated.
    Some cherry picked quotes from an article that does not actually agree with you?
    Missing anything?

    So yea, I completely stand by my opinion that nothing supports the anti-vaccination crowd except for pseudoscience and ignorance.
    You haven't show anything yet that would convince me otherwise.


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