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M11/N30 - Gorey to Enniscorthy [open to traffic]

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  • #302
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,358 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    L1011 wrote: »
    The website version of Google Maps (and satnavs with no live traffic) simply multiple road segments lengths by the speed limit to determine a time. They don't account for tractors, no overtaking opportunities, roads with inappropriate or otherwise unobtainable limits etc.

    They are no use to compare to real life

    I don't think that is right. Google allows you to time with or without traffic - at least it does on my computer.


  • #303
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I don't think that is right. Google allows you to time with or without traffic - at least it does on my computer.

    Estimated, and itself useless. Traffic figures from 5pm Friday won't match other times of day, etc. The more rural a road the worse the source data is too.

    Look - you were using a google guess to try counter actual experience. It doesn't work, no matter how you try to package it up its total guesswork.


  • #304
    Dr_Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭Dr_Bill


    jd wrote: »
    I think this was considered initially. I suppose going east it makes for a faster trip Rosslare/Wexford to Dublin.

    http://www.wexford.ie/largefiles/M11_Gorey_EIS/M11%20G2E%20EIS%20Volume%201%20NTS.pdf (page 14)

    Where's there's muck... there's money! It all goes down to economics and essentially how much muck has to be moved to build the road. If material has to be imported onto the site to build the road the cost goes up significantly.

    So while geographically it might not appear to make any sense, financially it makes a whole lot of sense to you and me the taxpayer.


  • #305
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    jd wrote: »
    Article online in Wexford People today

    http://www.wexfordpeople.ie/news/november-start-date-for-bypasses-31570145.html


    So much for Cllr Hore's announcement that the contract would be signed within the first 2 weeks of October. They have come and gone, like so many hundred's of false dawns for NRA projects before them.

    Why do we have to put up with this rubbish ? I will eat my hat if the contract is signed this year and I will not be surprised if work starts before Spring 2016 or even later.


  • #306
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    VR6 wrote: »
    So much for Cllr Hore's announcement that the contract would be signed within the first 2 weeks of October. They have come and gone, like so many hundred's of false dawns for NRA projects before them.

    Why do we have to put up with this rubbish ? I will eat my hat if the contract is signed this year and I will not be surprised if work starts before Spring 2016 or even later.

    To make it worse Eamonn Hore is not a politician - he's the Director of Services for Wexford CC


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  • #307
    josip
    Registered Users Posts: 13,629 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Now that there's no possibility of a November election it would be madness to waste the positive PR around contract signing and loadsa jobs now.
    Better to wait until a month or so before the election and the new will still be fresh in everyone's minds.


  • #308
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    Looked into this :) , very reliable source.
    Sod being turned Enniscorthy By-pass on Friday.
    New Ross By pass to follow next month


  • #309
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    jd wrote: »
    Looked into this :) , very reliable source.
    Sod being turned Enniscorthy By-pass on Friday.
    New Ross By pass to follow next month


    Sorry don't believe a word of it !


  • #310
    Mellifera
    Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭Mellifera


    VR6 wrote: »
    Why do we have to put up with this rubbish ? I will eat my hat if the contract is signed this year and I will not be surprised if work starts before Spring 2016 or even later.
    Reckon Contract will be signed before the end of the year. But, you're right, the work won't likely start before spring 2016. Aside from difficulties muckshifting in winter, the scheme itself still has to be detail designed and signed off. That all takes time.


  • #311
    highwaymaniac
    Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭highwaymaniac


    jd wrote: »
    Looked into this :) , very reliable source.
    Sod being turned Enniscorthy By-pass on Friday.
    New Ross By pass to follow next month

    Financial close for this project was achieved today according to Yvonne Jones of BAM PPP. She was speaking at an Engineers Ireland lecture this evening on the N7 Newlands Cross Grade Separation.


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  • #312
    hi5
    Registered Users Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭hi5


    Nothing happens until the European Investment Bank sign the loan over and as of right now its still only approved.
    http://www.eib.org/projects/pipeline/index.htm?start=&end=&status=&region=&country=ireland&sector=


    The contracts for the Gort-Tuam road were signed the same day the EIB signed.
    http://clareherald.com/2014/04/gort-to-tuam-motorway-contracts-signed/

    http://www.eib.org/projects/loans/regions/european-union/ie.htm


  • #313
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    Well Brendan Howlin's Wexford office saying first sod being turned tomorrow. We'll see!
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208128009786398&set=a.2234414988284.136611.1485233030&type=3&theater


  • #314
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    jd wrote: »
    Well Brendan Howlin's Wexford office saying first sod being turned tomorrow. We'll see!
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208128009786398&set=a.2234414988284.136611.1485233030&type=3&theater

    Somebody is having a laugh here. Absolutely NO chance of this happening tomorrow !!!


  • #315
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,802 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    VR6 wrote: »
    Somebody is having a laugh here. Absolutely NO chance of this happening tomorrow !!!

    You do realise that the sod can be officially turned tomorrow without construction starting immediately don't you?
    The sod was turned on the M17/18 in May 2014. Construction only started last spring.


  • #316
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    You do realise that the sod can be officially turned tomorrow without construction starting immediately don't you?
    The sod was turned on the M17/18 in May 2014. Construction only started last spring.


    Yes of course, you are right about that. It's the fact that no official notice has been given for a sod turning, neither on RTE nor in any newspaper of the NRA website. For such a large national infrastructure project this is unthinkable.

    That said, I will be very happy to be proved wrong !


  • #317
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    Friday makes sense - Dail doesn't sit, Kehoe and Howlin get their pictures in next week's local newspapers. Rinse and repeat for New Ross next month!


  • #318
    annfield1978
    Registered Users Posts: 564 ✭✭✭annfield1978


    Contract was signed yesterday

    Fact


  • #319
    Leonard Hofstadter
    Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    This guy works for Brendan Howlin, so I very much doubt that he would put something like this up on facebook if it wasn't true. And as others have said, just because the sod is being turned tomorrow does not for a second mean that construction is going to commence any time soon (as the M17/M18 Gort to Tuam shows).


  • #320
    delaido
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭delaido


    Contract
    signed!! Yipee


  • #321
    sonnyblack
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭sonnyblack


    delaido wrote: »
    Contract
    signed!! Yipee

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/consortium-led-by-bam-signs-350m-motorway-deal-1.2393750

    The sunny south east gets closer and closer to Dublin


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  • #322
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    sonnyblack wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/consortium-led-by-bam-signs-350m-motorway-deal-1.2393750

    The sunny south east gets closer and closer to Dublin


    I expect the sod will be turned in January and not today. The Irish Times article also states that the new road will be operational in August 2019 and not 2018 as claimed up till recently.


  • #323
    josip
    Registered Users Posts: 13,629 ✭✭✭✭josip


    VR6 wrote: »
    I expect the sod will be turned in January and not today. The Irish Times article also states that the new road will be operational in August 2019 and not 2018 as claimed up till recently.

    Yes, they need to extend the finish date to be closer to the next general election after the Spring 2016 one.
    If they finish in 2018, the feel good factor from the new road opening would have diminished by the time the subsequent election comes around.
    Finish the road in 2019, election in 2020. Everyone happy.


  • #324
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    josip wrote: »
    Yes, they need to extend the finish date to be closer to the next general election after the Spring 2016 one.
    If they finish in 2018, the feel good factor from the new road opening would have diminished by the time the subsequent election comes around.
    Finish the road in 2019, election in 2020. Everyone happy.

    Next election after will either be later in 2016, when an SF/associated left/mess coalition fails to agree a budget; or 2021 if either the current government or an FG/FF coalition goes in. It won't be 2020.


  • #325
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    VR6 wrote: »
    ? I will eat my hat if the contract is signed this year
    Pics please :)


  • #326
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    Sod was turned today!
    https://twitter.com/IRLDeptPER/status/655016441679323138
    https://www.facebook.com/george.lawlor.9/posts/10208133216556564?pnref=story


  • #327
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    jd wrote: »
    Pics please :)


    My indigestion is too bad !!

    My apologies - your information on the contract was 100% accurate, but I haven't seen any evidence of sod turning yet.


  • #328
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    VR6 wrote: »
    My indigestion is too bad !!

    My apologies - your information on the contract was 100% accurate, but I haven't seen any evidence of sod turning yet.

    Other than the photo in the post above yours?


  • #329
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    VR6 wrote: »
    My indigestion is too bad !!

    My apologies - your information on the contract was 100% accurate, but I haven't seen any evidence of sod turning yet.


    OOPS too late to retract !


  • #330
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    I'd say all we see this side of Christmas is some prep work eg site compound for equipment etc


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  • #331
    VR6
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    jd wrote: »
    I'd say all we see this side of Christmas is some prep work eg site compound for equipment etc

    The upturned sod will be well re-grown by the time the diggers move in !

    Overall great news though. Any inside info on the New Ross bypass ?


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